Why do Californians pretend to be Southern?

I've noticed this, whenever a Californian wants to pretend to be sweet, quaint, traditional, or family oriented, they put on a fake Southern accent.

So, powerfully, powerfully fake.

A perfect example is Austin TX. Noone in Austin is from Texas. They are ALL from LA, trying to convince people they are quaint southerners when really they are all greasy Hollywood rich family douchebags.

The south fucking sucks. We are as cute and traditional as a cat playing with a half-dead bird. Racism is not cute, or even funny, but it's the foundation upon which the South was built.

Whyfuck would you emulate this? As a Southerner, I know we are vicious pieces of shit to our very cores. All our saccharine "Yes sir, yes ma'am" "Southern Hospitality" garbage is a sociopathic facade behind which we hide a history of genocidal atrocity rivaled only in Africa. The concept of Southern Nobility has killed more americans than any foreign terrorist dogma. For instance, more americans died in the Civil War than any other american war, INCLUDING WWI and WWII.

I get it. Southern accents are hard to fake, and places that attract actors attract people who attempt southern accents, but BECAUSE the southern accent is so hard to fake, ATTEMPTING TO FAKE IT MAKES YOU LOOK IGNORANTLY PATHETIC AND UNSELFAWARE.

If you are from California, and you are reading this, please explain this to me.

Well, a majority of California is below the Mason-Dixon line, so yes, they ARE technically Southern.

As someone who has spent the majority of his life in Tennessee, I have to say that you seem very cynical of other southerners.

At 10/2/14 04:42 PM, Knights wrote: Well, a majority of California is below the Mason-Dixon line, so yes, they ARE technically Southern.

You are incorrect sir.

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The Mason Dixon Line does not go any farther west than Pennsylvania. West of the MS river is The West. Even SoCal. This is also why there is no excuse for Arkansas.

What the fuck are you talking about? No one does this in California. The only time I hear a southern accent here is when we're making fun of the south.

At 10/2/14 04:49 PM, FinaLee wrote: As someone who has spent the majority of his life in Tennessee, I have to say that you seem very cynical of other southerners.

I'm from Memphis. Apparently we are the city the rest of the South hates, and let me tell you, boy is it mutual.

At 10/2/14 05:00 PM, KillerSkull wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? No one does this in California. The only time I hear a southern accent here is when we're making fun of the south.

Surely you have seen the film "O Brother Where Art Thou?" Yes. Prime example. Also many other "family friendly" Hollywood films. I mean this specifically in movies and music, for clarification.

At 10/2/14 05:33 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 10/2/14 05:00 PM, KillerSkull wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? No one does this in California. The only time I hear a southern accent here is when we're making fun of the south.

Surely you have seen the film "O Brother Where Art Thou?" Yes. Prime example. Also many other "family friendly" Hollywood films. I mean this specifically in movies and music, for clarification.

I think that's just Hollywood perpetuating an American stereotype right there. I don't think it has anything to do with Californians but rather with what film producers think Americans would identify with. Also, those films reflect a different era in America.

At 10/2/14 05:58 PM, KillerSkull wrote: I think that's just Hollywood perpetuating an American stereotype right there. I don't think it has anything to do with Californians

Hollywood is LA. LA is in California. Talk with your people and make them end this madness.

but rather with what film producers think Americans would identify with. Also, those films reflect a different era in America.

A different era? Yes, specifically the one right before Civil Rights. The shitty one, where if you were the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood, you got lynched. Which is never, ever acceptable, cute, quaint, family friendly, or okay in anyway. And furthermore, what kind of sociopathic jackhole movie producer would CELEBRATE that SHIT? Ones from California. LA in general, and Hollywood specifically.

What the actual fuck. I would be filled with righteous rage if it weren't for all the shame and embarassment.

Is that you John Wayne?

At 10/2/14 06:09 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 10/2/14 05:58 PM, KillerSkull wrote: I think that's just Hollywood perpetuating an American stereotype right there. I don't think it has anything to do with Californians

Hollywood is LA. LA is in California. Talk with your people and make them end this madness.

That doesn't mean the producers are Californian, they could be from New York, or Indiana or literally anywhere else on this planet, including the south. Also, what LA does and believes and what California does and believes are two totally different things.

but rather with what film producers think Americans would identify with. Also, those films reflect a different era in America.

A different era?

Yeah, what I'm saying is that because it was a different era when those films were made, your argument is outdated and not relevant. And just because the production company is based in Hollywood (which is NOT LA by the way) does not mean the film is shot there.

I went down Virginia, Seeking shelter from the storm.
Caught up in the fable, I watched the tower grow.
Five year plans and new deals, Wrapped in golden chains.
And I wonder, Still I wonder Who'll stop the rain.

This thread is clearly about CCR.

At 10/2/14 05:33 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

Surely you have seen the film "O Brother Where Art Thou?" Yes. Prime example. Also many other "family friendly" Hollywood films. I mean this specifically in movies and music, for clarification.

To be fair they were actors portraying the parts of escaped Mississippi convicts.

At 10/2/14 04:39 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: The south fucking sucks. We are as cute and traditional as a cat playing with a half-dead bird. Racism is not cute, or even funny, but it's the foundation upon which the South was built.

Racism is foundation on which the whole civilizated world was built.

Whyfuck would you emulate this? As a Southerner, I know we are vicious pieces of shit to our very cores. All our saccharine "Yes sir, yes ma'am" "Southern Hospitality" garbage is a sociopathic facade behind which we hide a history of genocidal atrocity rivaled only in Africa. The concept of Southern Nobility has killed more americans than any foreign terrorist dogma. For instance, more americans died in the Civil War than any other american war, INCLUDING WWI and WWII.

The concept of Southern Nobility has killed mostly Englishmen. What really killed Americans was Colonists.

I get it. Southern accents are hard to fake, and places that attract actors attract people who attempt southern accents, but BECAUSE the southern accent is so hard to fake, ATTEMPTING TO FAKE IT MAKES YOU LOOK IGNORANTLY PATHETIC AND UNSELFAWARE.

Get off your high horse, just because someone likes culture you have automatically inherited and tries to fit in it doesn't make it pathetic and shoudn't be exterminated. What do I have to say? Do you think I enjoy looking at all these dumbasses who love russia for communism and it's cancer mentality? I don't. I also don't bitch about it.

the fuck are you saying?

At 10/2/14 04:39 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: Whyfuck would you emulate this? As a Southerner, I know we are vicious pieces of shit to our very cores. All our saccharine "Yes sir, yes ma'am" "Southern Hospitality" garbage is a sociopathic facade behind which we hide a history of genocidal atrocity rivaled only in Africa. The concept of Southern Nobility has killed more americans than any foreign terrorist dogma. For instance, more americans died in the Civil War than any other american war, INCLUDING WWI and WWII.

Hey fuck you! Our states may suck, our history may suck, our people may suck, and our ways of life may suck, but-
...
Wait, where was I going with this?

make up your mind on what this thread is actually about, Funk.

At 10/2/14 06:16 PM, Boomstick wrote: Is that you John Wayne?

Is this me?

I disagree with op, i know few people that would want to let alone try to emulate us Southerners, just because of the same stereotypes you gave.

I also dont agree with those stereotypes, you can say the south was built on racism, but then you need to apply that to the entire eastern seaboard. Slavery has been abolished in the US for more than a century, yet people still use that as a main reason to hate the south. Just FYI when lincoln gave the EP He didnt free any slaves in the US just the confederate states. so that southern hate doesnt compute.

Good to know that FUNKbrs is still around, making topics that no one should really care about.

I just wanted to say that I thought this was kind of enlightnening.

(ie, reckon some of yall mighta just got learned)

At 10/2/14 06:38 PM, Makakaov wrote:

Get off your high horse, just because someone likes culture you have automatically inherited and tries to fit in it doesn't make it pathetic and shoudn't be exterminated. What do I have to say? Do you think I enjoy looking at all these dumbasses who love russia for communism and it's cancer mentality? I don't. I also don't bitch about it.

At 10/2/14 06:38 PM, Makakaov wrote: Racism is foundation on which the whole civilizated world was built.

Jagged, thorny, rusty metallic dildo of a truth, this.

The concept of Southern Nobility has killed mostly Englishmen. What really killed Americans was Colonists.

Not just Englishmen. The road to Texas is paved in mexican blood. There were also entire French colonies wiped out in the South, so much so people don't even talk about it. Well, Cajuns, but they don't really count as people.

Get off your high horse, just because someone likes culture you have automatically inherited and tries to fit in it doesn't make it pathetic and shoudn't be exterminated. What do I have to say? Do you think I enjoy looking at all these dumbasses who love russia for communism and it's cancer mentality? I don't. I also don't bitch about it.

You don't get to bitch about it and then say you don't bitch about it.

There needs to be a show about hilariously trashy Cossacks swilling vodka and getting in shirtless fistfights and knocking each other into snowbanks, with a fan base of Chinese people just laughing away. Then you would understand.

At 10/3/14 10:05 AM, FUNKbrs wrote:

The concept of Southern Nobility has killed mostly Englishmen. What really killed Americans was Colonists.

Not just Englishmen.

Do you have problem with reading? I wrote MOSTLY.

The road to Texas is paved in mexican blood.

Sure but mexicans were just being kicked away in the name of whole USA and it's strength, it wasn't for southern nobility cause, because there was no southern nobility yet.

There were also entire French colonies wiped out in the South, so much so people don't even talk about it. Well, Cajuns, but they don't really count as people.

The french were fought mainly by Englishmen. And after one group of Englishmen spearated from the original Englishmen, Frenchmen sold most of their lands to the remaining Englishmen on the continent.

Get off your high horse, just because someone likes culture you have automatically inherited and tries to fit in it doesn't make it pathetic and shoudn't be exterminated. What do I have to say? Do you think I enjoy looking at all these dumbasses who love russia for communism and it's cancer mentality? I don't. I also don't bitch about it.

You don't get to bitch about it and then say you don't bitch about it.

I just don't bitch about it because I know how pathetic that looks. Also I am Homo Sapiens - intelectual human being - and I understand, that some people don't see the world as I do, some things I known for decades might be a new discovery to people older than me and I understand someone might just find culture I inherited with birth and subconciously don't value as much very interesting and try to fit into that culture, even tho he/she is from completely different culture and might not understand mentality of my culture.

When you see a 4 year old try to read do you scold him for trying to fit in the part of society that can read because you can already read and the kid was born illiterate? The world isn't about you, southern culture is not a secret club that requires invitation from inside, just like many other cultures. Deal with it.

There needs to be a show about hilariously trashy Cossacks swilling vodka and getting in shirtless fistfights and knocking each other into snowbanks, with a fan base of Chinese people just laughing away. Then you would understand.

I understand already. Kossacks are ukrainian, not russian, but You of course didn't know that, because for You, all those groups are just one eastern folk. There's more leftist nerd students with beards and long hair who love Russia for it's false fame than jerks who come to Texas and try to speak with Texan accent. You should know that, because most communists and socialists live in USA now.

At 10/3/14 10:23 AM, Makakaov wrote: Do you have problem with reading? I wrote MOSTLY.

Yes.

Sure but mexicans were just being kicked away in the name of whole USA and it's strength, it wasn't for southern nobility cause, because there was no southern nobility yet.

You didn't know Texas was conquered independently by Southerners attempting to form a completely independent slave state between Mexico and the US? When it was clear slavery was going to eventually end in the US, Slave State sympathizers and would be slave holders broke the US treaty with Spain to invade and conquer northern Mexico, which then declared itself an independent slave state. Texas only later ratified the US consitution, as opposed to being settled and entered into statehood as the US Territory System that was used with other western states. This is why Texas is so disproportionately large compared to other states, for instance.

The french were fought mainly by Englishmen. And after one group of Englishmen spearated from the original Englishmen, Frenchmen sold most of their lands to the remaining Englishmen on the continent.

Actually it was mainly Cherokee and Choctaw fighting the Creek and Seminole. The English and the French mainly just supplied the rifles.

someone might just find culture I inherited with birth and subconciously don't value as much very interesting and try to fit into that culture, even tho he/she is from completely different culture and might not understand mentality of my culture.

What if the culture they think exists is actually a cartoonish parody of the reality of that culture's past, and the culture they celebrate is entirely fictitious altogether, yet they expect you to conform to the imaginary stereotypes of that culture?

When you see a 4 year old try to read do you scold him for trying to fit in the part of society that can read because you can already read and the kid was born illiterate?

If I catch him trying to read a book written in Klingon, yes I would, because there are no real Klingons and he'd be trying to conform to an imaginary culture that doesn't actually exist, dooming him to be an outcast and unrelatable to his peers.

The world isn't about you, southern culture is not a secret club that requires invitation from inside, just like many other cultures. Deal with it.

Funny, from my perspective the world seems to swivel conveniently around a point somewhere in the center of my head.

I understand already. Kossacks are ukrainian, not russian, but You of course didn't know that, because for You, all those groups are just one eastern folk. There's more leftist nerd students with beards and long hair who love Russia for it's false fame than jerks who come to Texas and try to speak with Texan accent. You should know that, because most communists and socialists live in USA now.

Dem fake socialists, tho. Oh man, they get a big pile of their parents money, waste it on an arts degree, then live in fake poverty because they hate actual work and don't want to blow through their whole trustfund in their 20's. Then they complain about inherited wealth limiting their upward mobility.

At 10/3/14 10:45 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: You didn't know Texas was conquered independently by Southerners attempting to form a completely independent slave state between Mexico and the US? When it was clear slavery was going to eventually end in the US, Slave State sympathizers and would be slave holders broke the US treaty with Spain to invade and conquer northern Mexico, which then declared itself an independent slave state. Texas only later ratified the US consitution, as opposed to being settled and entered into statehood as the US Territory System that was used with other western states. This is why Texas is so disproportionately large compared to other states, for instance.

I must admit That I only read somewhere about Republic of Texas and didn't focus on it much, so yeah, That must've fallen out of my mind. I admit that I do not know whole history of USA.

The french were fought mainly by Englishmen. And after one group of Englishmen spearated from the original Englishmen, Frenchmen sold most of their lands to the remaining Englishmen on the continent.

Actually it was mainly Cherokee and Choctaw fighting the Creek and Seminole. The English and the French mainly just supplied the rifles.

You know what I mean. The similiar war was being fought between USSR and USA in Afghanistan, and now between Russia and NATO/Ukraine.

someone might just find culture I inherited with birth and subconciously don't value as much very interesting and try to fit into that culture, even tho he/she is from completely different culture and might not understand mentality of my culture.

What if the culture they think exists is actually a cartoonish parody of the reality of that culture's past, and the culture they celebrate is entirely fictitious altogether, yet they expect you to conform to the imaginary stereotypes of that culture?

You live yourself in a cartoonish form of culture from the past and noone's judging You for that. It's normal that times and people change, so cultures also change. For instance Your country. It was founded with really great ideas and look at it now. Years ago it was really a free country of free men, now You can't even sit in the frontyard with a gun because your rifle resembles penis and it's sexist and probably you have this gun to threaten some minorities like black people in the first place. I don't even want to imagine how your national holidays look these days. Fake and Irrelevant for decades.

When you see a 4 year old try to read do you scold him for trying to fit in the part of society that can read because you can already read and the kid was born illiterate?

If I catch him trying to read a book written in Klingon, yes I would, because there are no real Klingons and he'd be trying to conform to an imaginary culture that doesn't actually exist, dooming him to be an outcast and unrelatable to his peers.

The actual power of human being is that he can create cultures if he wants. Christians were outcasts too at some time. And why would You care that some kid's choosing his path? It wouldn't be an easy path, but people almost don't learn anything on an easy path. Just because You don't like something or find it weird, it doesn't mean You have to destroy and change it. Especially if it's not a threat to You. I personally think that a closed circle of extreme Star Trek nerds would be a relief for You, since those weirdos wouldn't mix with Your culture, but close themselves in their own.

Dem fake socialists, tho. Oh man, they get a big pile of their parents money, waste it on an arts degree, then live in fake poverty because they hate actual work and don't want to blow through their whole trustfund in their 20's. Then they complain about inherited wealth limiting their upward mobility.

I believe we're talking about the same group of people. And the funny thing is they're in almost every country. Even in Poland which was under Soviet occupation till early 90s.

At 10/3/14 11:05 AM, Makakaov wrote:
I must admit That I only read somewhere about Republic of Texas and didn't focus on it much, so yeah, That must've fallen out of my mind. I admit that I do not know whole history of USA.

Be grateful you don't know it. It's bad.

You know what I mean. The similiar war was being fought between USSR and USA in Afghanistan, and now between Russia and NATO/Ukraine.

I've heard the French and Indian war described as WW0 because technically it was a multicontinental conflict. Apparently the people who finance wars don't like to be the people who actually fight in them if they can help it.

You live yourself in a cartoonish form of culture from the past and noone's judging You for that. It's normal that times and people change, so cultures also change. For instance Your country. It was founded with really great ideas and look at it now. Years ago it was really a free country of free men, now You can't even sit in the frontyard with a gun because your rifle resembles penis and it's sexist and probably you have this gun to threaten some minorities like black people in the first place. I don't even want to imagine how your national holidays look these days. Fake and Irrelevant for decades.

It was never really all that free. Can you have Jim Crow laws in a free country? Can you have slavery in a free country? No, no you can't.

The actual power of human being is that he can create cultures if he wants. Christians were outcasts too at some time. And why would You care that some kid's choosing his path? It wouldn't be an easy path, but people almost don't learn anything on an easy path. Just because You don't like something or find it weird, it doesn't mean You have to destroy and change it. Especially if it's not a threat to You. I personally think that a closed circle of extreme Star Trek nerds would be a relief for You, since those weirdos wouldn't mix with Your culture, but close themselves in their own.

Difference is wrong, ok? Individuality is an illusion. You know who's different, has their own set of values, and tries to form their own insular communities? Child molesters.

I believe we're talking about the same group of people. And the funny thing is they're in almost every country. Even in Poland which was under Soviet occupation till early 90s.

Apparently step one of their process is to "establish their independence" by moving far away from their hometown, so their parents control over them is restricted to either sending them the money, or not sending them the money.

At 10/3/14 11:47 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Be grateful you don't know it. It's bad.

Even the most bitter truth is better than ignorance.

You live yourself in a cartoonish form of culture from the past and noone's judging You for that. It's normal that times and people change, so cultures also change. For instance Your country. It was founded with really great ideas and look at it now. Years ago it was really a free country of free men, now You can't even...

It was never really all that free. Can you have Jim Crow laws in a free country? Can you have slavery in a free country? No, no you can't.

Think about it; For one to gain, one has to lose. You have affordable electronics, because there's thousands of slaves including children in countries where the electronics are assemled. You have so many products on your market because there's simply a big slave bussiness. There is a chance you have eaten a dish served to You by an autenthical slave that works somewhere in the kitchen. USA was free for people who created it. Of course it was living off a certain group of people, but at the time negroes weren't even treated like people by great majority, so the country was free because black people weren't even taken into consideration. You know what I mean. Even athens, etc. had slaves and many things you wouldn't like.

Difference is wrong, ok? Individuality is an illusion.

It's clearly not. People fight mostly because they have different values, and that makes them different. It's not na illusion, it's just how it is.

You know who's different, has their own set of values, and tries to form their own insular communities? Child molesters.

It's true. But what are you trying to do here? Appeal to how pedophillia is immoral? Few decades ago homosexuality was immoral and look what's happening now. There's a strong pro-incest movement in germany. Yesterday it was homosexuality, today it's incest and tomorrow it will be pedophillia. Sure, it's harmful for children, such as pro-gay indoctrination at young age is, but that's how world works. People rather use emotions than reason. Also, I prefer that child molesters would form their own secret clubs and get busted by the police instead of them being asimilated into the general community and justified.

At 10/3/14 12:23 PM, Makakaov wrote: Even the most bitter truth is better than ignorance.

Ignorance is bliss. HOW U NOT NO DIS?

Think about it; For one to gain, one has to lose.

Fundamentally disagree. Wealth comes from the exploitation of natural resources.

You have affordable electronics, because there's thousands of slaves including children in countries where the electronics are assemled.

Children wouldn't be capable of assembling the electronics without fossil fuel powered robots doing the actual manufacturing, though.

Of course it was living off a certain group of people, but at the time negroes weren't even treated like people by great majority, so the country was free because black people weren't even taken into consideration. You know what I mean. Even athens, etc. had slaves and many things you wouldn't like.

Slavery is not necessary in a gentleman farming economy. Technology makes slavery obsolete.

Difference is wrong, ok? Individuality is an illusion.

It's clearly not. People fight mostly because they have different values, and that makes them different. It's not na illusion, it's just how it is.

Muslims and Christians fight, despite both groups sharing most of the same values. They don't fight because they're different; they fight because fighting is part of both cultures. But if no one fought, and everyone conformed to this rule, then fighting would end. Instead, people keep trying to be different... mainly by fighting.

At 10/3/14 12:38 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 10/3/14 12:23 PM, Makakaov wrote: Even the most bitter truth is better than ignorance.

Ignorance is bliss. HOW U NOT NO DIS?

1984.

Think about it; For one to gain, one has to lose.

Fundamentally disagree. Wealth comes from the exploitation of natural resources.

Exploitation of natural resources is nothing else but robbing different life forms off their natural habitat. There are even life forms in a fucking coal mine, but it's usually some bacteria and such. Of course, we do not respect bacteria, nor wild animals as we respect ourselves, but still we're taking from someone other to give us alone.

You have affordable electronics, because there's thousands of slaves including children in countries where the electronics are assemled.

Children wouldn't be capable of assembling the electronics without fossil fuel powered robots doing the actual manufacturing, though.

It's not just electronics, and yes, the smaller parts are assmebled by the machines in sterile environments, but few parts are still assembled by children. Plus, machines aren't getting all that zinc, gold and iron from the mines. It's people and it's usualy some cheap slaves that work for free or few cents a month. It's a known fact, thailand, africa, many other places. An yeah, africa. Sure everyone loves cholocate, but noone cares that prices of chocolate are reasonably affordable because people who grow cacoa are forced to sell it for garbage prices and are told that white people use it to make alcohol. Many of them haven't even tasted chocolate themselves. Stop looking for a safe corner, You're living off work that put many to death and there's no shame in that unless you're saying you don't, because it makes you a hypocryte.

Of course it was living off a certain group of people, but at the time negroes weren't even treated like people by great majority, so the country was free because black people weren't even taken into consideration. You know what I mean. Even athens, etc. had slaves and many things you wouldn't like.

Slavery is not necessary in a gentleman farming economy. Technology makes slavery obsolete.

Well, prisons are not necessary in communism. But apparently real communism can never be achieved, just like "gentleman farming economy". You should read up on economy. If machines take place, people become jobless, and can gain no currency. At the same time machines do double or triple the work people do, so they make more products, lowering the product's value. This boosts the production and usage of resources. When people will lose their market value as quality workers, the risk of slavery will be even bigger, because they will become cheap resources for people who control wealth.

Difference is wrong, ok? Individuality is an illusion.

It's clearly not. People fight mostly because they have different values, and that makes them different. It's not na illusion, it's just how it is.

Muslims and Christians fight, despite both groups sharing most of the same values. They don't fight because they're different; they fight because fighting is part of both cultures.

This only proves that out of millions of cultures there are two similiar ones based on fighting.

But if no one fought, and everyone conformed to this rule, then fighting would end. Instead, people keep trying to be different... mainly by fighting.

If everyone agreed to not fight anymore, then they would still be all the same. Sure, people have familiar traits, because they're the same spieces with almost identical brain and physical structures. But they are different from each other. People are as different from each other as it's physically possible, just as anything is as different from each other as it's physically possible. If it was possible for people to be more different, they would be even more different, but they're only different to certain extent. Just because you see similarities it doesn't mean people are all the same. It's a huge ignorant generalisation.

If it makes you feel any better, here in the Northeast we use mock southern accents to express extremely stupid or otherwise bigoted opinions.

Our execution of them is probably equally bad, but it is entirely intentional.

Just so you know, even in Ireland we make fun of the Southern states of America

I've never heard of that being a thing. My grandpa's family on my Mom's side sorta did the opposite of that though, as they moved to California from Arkansas when he was young. So now I've got this old white grandpa living in SoCal that talks using pronunciations like "warshing" machines and "wraslin'". But he's cool, he's really into Sci-Fi stuff and he used to watch Super Hero cartoons like Batman and the Justice League with me when I was younger.

I forgot what we were talking about.