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suicide over dumb shit

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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 04:07:31


At 9/29/14 09:20 PM, Canas wrote:
That would be a very egoistic suicide you uneducated twat, try socializing with the outside world and immersing yourself in society so you can point some meaning behind your duldrum life. GET DURKHEIMMERD

are you trying to tell me something?


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 04:52:23


At 9/30/14 02:14 AM, NuScarab wrote: I've seen your snidey responses so I get the impression you're fishing for "offended responses" from those darn sensies, but you know, I can't really complain about something being typically Newgrounds.com BBS if I don't state my feelings every now and then.

EDIT: @Canas Durkheim is totes overrated.

actually, if they would discuss their opinion on matter like you and the other few rather then make me out to be some uneducated douchebag that doesn't know how suicide can be caused, I wouldn't be so snide.


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 05:12:44


At 9/30/14 04:50 AM, Satan wrote:

who would have thought that satan can respect an opinion that's not his

suicide over dumb shit


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 08:33:02 (edited 2014-09-30 08:38:16)


At 9/29/14 04:49 PM, xXSp1cyN1njaXx wrote: why is it that the old dirty hobo with nothing to live for fights everyday to stay alive. but the teenager with a family that cares for her kills herself because of some mean comments over the internet.

What the fuck dude. Are you actually interested in an answer?

It's all about the will to live. Most situations of suicide involve a person who already has that lack of will to live. It can be anything that sets them off; an accumulation of pressure. Their world and how they perceive it is all contained in their own mind. It doesn't matter what kind of world you and I live in. It doesn't matter how we perceive it. These people that take their lives are living in a world very different from ours. We all live in our own world. All of us will see something different about the world and existence at different points in our lives. So our understanding of how or why someone would want to end their life, will always be speculation, even if the person who took their life made a statement alluding to a reason. It will always go back to their will to live and it will always go much deeper than that. No one kills themselves over something small. It will always mean the world to them.

I understand that it's frustrating to think that this person took their life for something so seemingly minuscule to you. But the fact of the matter is, it's not as simple as someone reading a combination of letters and then killing themselves. There's more there. There always is. No matter the situation. And it will always be about the individual and how they perceive the world. Whether or not they've had exposure to the horrors and taxing tribulations of a darker world, it will always boil down to perception, their world. Not yours, not mine, not anyone else's. That's why.

Anyway. They're gone now. There's nothing we can do or say about that, right? So it may be best for you to get over it.


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 09:36:51


At 9/30/14 04:50 AM, Satan wrote: Jesus Christ, could you be any more of an edgelord Gory?

You actually think that I'm trying to be edgy for edginess' sake simply because I think suicide prevention services and awareness programs are a waste of money, which is a commonly held sentiment anyway?

No comment.

If people are going to commit suicide especially over health or monetary issues, they will. No suicide prevention service can cure Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, AIDS, severe vitiligo, toxic epidermal necrolysis, whatever. Nor can they hand you a fuck ton of money or make you love your job or school more. Nor can they restore any lost limbs if that is an issue for certain people. And we are all aware of what suicide is. The decision to do it is up to the individual and that decision is made in very much the same way we make any decison: assessing the risks vs. benefits.

Do you see where I'm coming from here or are you really just that dense?


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 11:08:27 (edited 2014-09-30 11:12:29)


I think there is one critical thing that we overlook in terms of cyber bullying, and that's when you have no control over anything you or a friend has posted online (be it accidental posting or the unintended aftermath that comes as a result). Once it's out there it can be manipulated to harass you. In which case closing your eyes does jackshiz.

Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 11:55:34


At 9/30/14 10:18 AM, Satan wrote: Hold your horses cowboy, that's not what I said. Your post in general just reeked of looking for a bite (and congrats, you've gotten one), that is why I said you are being edgy for edginess sake. Suicide prevention services clearly aren't a waste of money, because they do help some people, and they have changed peoples lives for the better.

I thought it was obvious that I was only directly responding to what you were saying regarding my opinion on the matter, not anything else in your post. Your opinion is your opinion. Great. I don't give a fuck and have nothing to say about it. But you cared about mine a bit too much and just needed an excuse to use a gratuitous pic as some kind of a ridiculous cheap shot. It's no secret that you dislike me, but don't bring that here, because I couldn't care less.

Don't get me wrong here, I understand the point that you are trying to make, but said point is complete and utter bullshit. A lot of people who would usually off themselves haven't done so because they are getting the help they need through therapy, supportive families, and friends amongst other things.

Those things by themselves are only one component of a bigger picture. There's nothing wrong with seeking some support or having a support system just to make you less likely to end your life. I help people quite regularly whenever they need it, and for free. But there's only so much I can do. I have my limitations and so do professionals that make a living off talking to people or (in the case of psychiatrists) medicating people. Medicating people for depression alone can be potentially dangerous considering a lot of the side effects of antidepressants in general. Part of what can cause people to go near the edge are intracranial lesions big or small, and one big reason many psychiatrists get sued is because they don't order MRIs or CT scans to diagnose them. Many of these professionals just aren't needed and may even exacerbate existing issues.

Saying "If people are going to commit suicide especially over health or monetary issues, they will." isn't fact, it is only partially true. I don't fully disagree with you though, because if I had a terminal illness and living grew to be painful, I'd probably off myself as well because let's face it, I'm going to be dead soon anyway if that's the case. However, with this topic at hand, I am applying this more to a mental health point of view (mainly depression), as it ties in more with the OP.

I'll let people do whatever they want with regards to ending or keeping their lives. I simply respect their decisions. And many people that go that route are more than just depressed.

Contrary to what a lot of people think, depression by itself isn't a disorder--it is a consequence of at least one or more causative factors. Not just the ones I said: many more. It's often attributed to chemical imbalances and that's oversimplifying it. The problem is that there is no truly objective way to diagnose most psychiatric disorders--depression included. Most of them are mostly are of unknown etiology or shouldn't even be considered disorders. The DSM diagoses are mainly for insurance purposes and antidepressants don't always work. If anything, they make some people forget about why they were depressed in the first place is the reason(s) were, by most measures, not that big a deal. It can be mild or severe, plus long or short. Whatever.

As for people who are on the brink of ending their own lives, it is 110% possible to change their minds and help them see a "light at the end of the tunnel". That's what therapy aims to do, and it works. It has been proven to work in many cases. Sure, it isn't going to work for everyone, but nothing works for everyone, it's an unfortunate fact of life. It doesn't mean it's a waste of money however.

There are a lot of people that are not sure what to do regarding suicide. This goes back to my point of assessing risks vs. benefits. Some people may choose to see a professional as part of assessing those risks and then decide that they don't want to go through with it. So be it. But there are many professionals that suck at doing their job despite graduate-level training. The main key is to get someone to think. Most people are capable of that--enough to the point where people don't have to squander money. That is why I say a lot of money is being flushed down the toilet by expanding professional therapy to a ridiculous degree.

I have seen psychologists, psychiatrists and therapists before and underwent a long period of CBT in 2008 after being very near killing myself. I didn't feel any better in the end--in fact, I was only more depressed because I was paying a lot of money just to talk to someone. And most of all, I knew why I was the way I was. I wouldn't have gone if I wasn't ordered to go by my school. I had better things to do. By talking to other close friends that got me to think in a similar way. I felt satisfied, if not better.

Do you see where I'm coming from here, or are you really just that ignorant?

I know where you're coming from. It doesn't matter to me because you can feel however you like, and it was a big mistake on your part to initiate a jab at me to begin with.


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 12:04:51 (edited 2014-09-30 12:07:16)


At 9/29/14 05:01 PM, DalexJ1337 wrote: this looks like an emo thread @WahyaRanger I SUMMON THEE

What a shitty thing to say-- horrible use of the phrase "I SUMMON THEE", too.
It isn't humorous through text. Mediocre at best when verbally spoken.

Memes, emo jokes, shit catchphrases.
What a terrible sense of humor.

Anyway, I'd like to point out this thread doesn't seem to be going too smoothly.

Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 13:17:13


At 9/29/14 04:52 PM, koopahermit wrote:

Reason #90129 to love Tyler


*sigh*

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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 13:24:04


I will never shy away from admitting that I owe my life to the NHS.

That extends to the support they've provided in order to help me combat the sort of mental illness that can lead to suicidal thoughts. I've known people (most of whom are a good deal older than me) who see it as a means of delaying the inevitable, who are nonetheless just as thankful for it. Some people are happy to be something more than a quantifiable economic unit, if only for a little while.


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 14:00:11


At 9/30/14 01:02 PM, Satan wrote: Stuff

I'm going to keep this concise because you used so much to say so little.

You have had run-ins with me before. You've had no problem publicly calling me a total asswank in a thread I wanted nothing to do with. I recall you whining about a chat ban--a very short one at that. And here you are again coming out of the woodwork with "witty" pics that serve no purpose but to make you feel better about yourself and not to simply debate the substamce, or lack thereof, of anything I've said.

It's okay if you or anyone else wants to challenge my opinion. I welcome that. I see that some people see value in suicide prevention and awareness campaigns. But you didn't start out going after my opinion--you went at me personally. Starting out calling me an edgelord followed by an unfunny pic isn't how you debate someone. That crosses the line into an insult war, and it's a cheapshot with no intellectual value. You know that, or at least, should know that.

Eveything else is already covered here, more or less. I'll just reiterate that public money could be better spent besides on therapy, suicide hotlines and awareness campaigns. They don't respect one's right to die, in many cases can't assist with many major root causes of suicide and there are enough people to talk to even if they don't make a living out of doing so. If these things have helped you, cool, but I see little value--too little to justify the costs of paying everyone whose careers are on the line if mental health services were to all disappear at the same time.


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 15:31:14


At 9/30/14 02:00 PM, GoryBlizzard wrote: I'll just reiterate that public money could be better spent besides on therapy, suicide hotlines and awareness campaigns. They don't respect one's right to die, in many cases can't assist with many major root causes of suicide and there are enough people to talk to even if they don't make a living out of doing so. If these things have helped you, cool, but I see little value--too little to justify the costs of paying everyone whose careers are on the line if mental health services were to all disappear at the same time.

So you're saying the money invested in making people's lives better and saving them should go to bathroom peepshows so fedora wearing edgemasters could go in and wank to women pissing while pretending to be a tranny?

Sounds like a true masterplan, hero.


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 18:28:03


This is getting ridiculous now and I’ve tried my best to avoid personally attacking anyone. If anything, this thread is a shining example of how civility usually fails because certain people here would rather make personal attacks and not ideas.

Once again, it doesn’t take much snooping around or thought to know that health and financial issues are among the biggest contributors to suicide. Do the research yourself. And once again, if we choose to end our lives for any reason that may exist, we can do it. Means of suicide prevention such as suicide hotlines, therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists don’t have much of a place in the world. Why? Well, if you’re thinking about pulling the trigger over money issues, you may be redirected to another social service, but what if even then that doesn’t help? What if you learn that you have cancer? Do you want to deal with many rounds of chemotherapy and/or deal with the bad after effects of surgery? What if you’re sure that you don’t have a future? Want to wait and see or not?

Never once did I say that it’s bad to help people. In fact it’s good, and you can do it for free, professionally trained or not. I offer and solicit help, going down very deeply and personally, very often. I am very good at listening, getting people to think, offering solutions and also venting regarding my own countless issues. I don’t charge a penny when I help someone else out to feel better, and everyone that helps me doesn’t charge me. That’s the way it should be. And there are things that people want help for that I can do little to nothing about, just like with the pros. If you can’t get a home, can’t pay off your rent, have any serious health problems cured quickly, to the point where all of the mental health help in the world can’t help you out, you might consider suicide and should not be negatively judged for it simply because it’s your choice.

The decision to kill yourself is a matter of risks vs. benefits. And if you’re considering it, even if you think you have no one to talk to, you can find a normal person without much of an effort, especially online. And really confiding in a professional saying that you’re suicidal can get you involuntarily committed. I don’t think anyone wants to die in a psych ward. Psychiatry in general is the worst specialty there is. It’s a form of social control with a nasty history masquerading as legitimate medicine. Psychotropic drugs do much more harm than good and the psychological disorders you see in the DSM are really neurological disorders that most people know too little about. They often serve to mask the real problems that cause us to lose it, and that’s about it.

Not everyone is going to read what I say, but I guess my standards are too high. This is about as civil as I can get in a setting like this. Let’s see if it pays off.


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 20:21:15


At 9/30/14 08:08 PM, KatMaestro wrote: Recently a man in Belgium (or was it Netherlands?) killed himself because he saw there wasn't a thing he could do about his sex lusts. I say that was rather stupid.

this guy has obviously never heard of porn or prostitution


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 21:09:25


At 9/30/14 03:59 AM, solamander wrote:

Sorry to change the subject, but why does the world have to end by the sun doing it's thing. I doubt humans will still be around by then, and if they even are still hanging around Earth, then who's to say that nuclear war won't kill us all?

I'm just saying.

Most scientists predicts that the sun would blow up in the next 25,000 years which is a good and bad thing because we are not in those years. The bad thing is that the world would end by those times, i wonder what the future would look like I think everything would be Chrome and all that stuff. After the sun blows up, it'll turn into a black hole which sucks up the earth and makes it disappear.


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-09-30 23:31:21


What might be dumb shit to you, isn't dumb shit to everybody else...
Just because a homeless man is strong willed enough to stay alive and keep going, that doesn't mean every human should be compared to that. Everybody has a different brain, and everybody handles things differently. Each individual is only capable of so much.

What do you consider dumb shit, OP?

Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-10-01 00:23:06


At 9/29/14 04:49 PM, xXSp1cyN1njaXx wrote: why is it that the old dirty hobo with nothing to live for fights everyday to stay alive. but the teenager with a family that cares for her kills herself because of some mean comments over the internet.

Hey, I know from experience that being homeless is actually fun. There is a near unlimited amount of personal freedom. But,I feel as though the discrepancy actually comes from the media itself. How often does anybody show interest when a hobo commits suicide, versus a "functional" member of society?

Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-10-01 17:18:46


Maybe they suicide over dumb shit because they're dumb. I've been a teen too and I made mistakes, I felt bad, sad, embarrassed, I've been bullied at school and beaten by my dad but I never thought 'lol I'll kill myself it will solve everything!'

Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-10-01 22:06:16


At 9/30/14 02:43 PM, Ali wrote:
At 9/30/14 02:00 PM, GoryBlizzard wrote:
At 9/30/14 01:02 PM, Satan wrote: Stuff
I'm going to keep this concise because you used so much to say so little.

;

You are a total asswank. I just can't comprehend the level of your autism right now, Neo. What is wrong with you?

I think you're both asswanks if that makes you feel better <=3


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Response to suicide over dumb shit 2014-10-03 07:44:30


Why does a child kill himself? I think the parents are to blame, Here in India( that is south Asian if you know not) parents and children share an unsaid bond between them. They keep few secrets to start with, and children seek their parents in times of trouble (yes, even Teenagers). What's with being a teenager anyway? Its no big deal.