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Okay, I think most of you defending these rip-offs need a reality check for a second. Yes, Newgrounds is the most popular and may remain so for some time. But the reason NG is popular is because it's been around longer. Over time, people will forget who the ORIGINAL designer was and, over time, some of these other websites will last the trials of creation and will become competitive. Most of you aren't thinking on a long-term basis.
Why is this bad? What many of you don't seem to realize is that it's not just a case of being annoyed at other people getting credit for theft, it's also a case of LOST profits. Before any of you whine about NG being commercial, keep in mind this site runs at a HUGE cost in order to keep all the servers running and to keep the staff clothed and fed while they're spending time on this. Regardless of whether these other sites make money or not, they steal traffic. Many of you have never seen many of those portals before now. It's quite possible that many users on those portals have never heard of NG either. And all those users who haven't heard of NG on those other sites who are submitting/viewing flash are quite literally stealing from NG, and I don't mean code.
I'm really appalled that some of the supporters of these other sites seem to think it isn't a big deal and then flame people with irrelevant comments like "you don't know html" or "your post count isn't high." Wtf? If you don't think it's a big deal then you obviously haven't been here long enough to understand the miraculous growth of NG when it WASN'T so popular. Maybe the NG staff is a little irritated that while they had to forego jobs and struggle with getting an original concept off the ground, some punk 16 year old can now do the same thing with relatively no effort.
Also, kudos to Turnip_Decoy for what I think are EXCELLENT posts.
At 6/11/04 01:35 AM, flipsidedcom wrote: So in your opinion a 16 year old punk is competition to newgrounds?
Hey the punk could be send the mob after him for a "friendly take over"
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At 6/10/04 06:44 PM, SteveGuzzi wrote: Here, I'LL explain the significance.
Haha! Super ownage. I was going to give that argument if he replied, but I went to bed. It's a good job we've got you here to make him feel 1 foot tall.
I think you took that site kind of lightly. I would probably devote an entire section of the sight to just discrediting the copy cats. That kind of thing pisses me off.
At 6/10/04 05:31 PM, Xorx wrote: What you calling me an asshole for bitch? You wanna step outside :P
I'd say: Bring it on!
But it was about the copycats.
Not that I don't want to fight you.
Doesn't anyone have a virus for this flipside dude.
Some sort of worm virus that totaly wrecks his computer.
That'd be cool!
At 6/11/04 05:21 AM, Bionekid wrote: Doesn't anyone have a virus for this flipside dude.
Some sort of worm virus that totaly wrecks his computer.
That'd be cool!
Ohhhhh, it suuuuree would!
You guys mention copycats, and it seems that Flipsided.com is the only site you are ranting about. Move on to the next site. This thread will top the others by the end.
And what's worse, the text layout really doesn't fit the graphic design of your site. It was designed perfectly for Newgrounds, and it just looks contrived on your site . Unnatural. Artificial. Not to mention a little too cluttered. That's probably what most people (who aren't complete morons that think that NG should sell people a license to have a Flash Portal on their site) have a problem with on your site.
For example, with Omnipen.net I did start with Newgrounds as a starting point, but I analyzed each and every feature and decided if I needed them or not, and what I wanted that Newgrounds didn't have. Then I designed a layout based on the information I stored and wanted to display. I kept the column style for listing ranks of movies, since it is really efficient, but almost everything else is different. And I even have a few features that Newgrounds doesn't, especially considering the site is based around a different medium, literature.
But I didn't stop there. I participated on my own site and determined whether I really needed some things, or if they got in the way. Comments (kinda like reviews on NG) used to have overall ratings for the piece, for example, but I found that they were too annoying to use each time, and a simple "grade" really didn't add anything to the comment, so I yanked it out. Perhaps this is something you could do with your site. From what I can see, it needs this analysis very badly.
For everyone who thinks that competition is a BAD thing (for some ungodly reason), you can rest easy, because Newgrounds is going to keep on growing simply because it's keeping ahead of the feature curve, innovating left and right. Before Liljim joined, hardly anything got updated on the site, and it was losing its competitive edge to these "copycats," but since Liljim's been on board new features and site tweaks have been coming in quick enough to remain on top.
But try to remember that competition is a good thing. Competition is what is keeping the simple copycat sites struggling to remain above water while Newgrounds can support several employees full time.
You cannot copyright an idea, simple as that. He could copyright the code but then they would just take it and modify it, hes in a bind really. I still think he came on here to feel better about himself "Tom we love you" is all there has been these 9 pages... he really isnt that gr8.
As a Webmaster, and PHP Scripter I share your pain!
One time, I had created a whole new script, one of a kind! Brilliant, my own work, rare, and unseen!
I let people download it, to enjoy the pleasures and rarity of it, I thought this would be a great idea, providing a free rare script for people to use.
Not long later another version came out from some other website, exactly like mine.
I thought, hmmm, ok I had good timing, I came out first! Then on Hotscripts, another, and another and another and another! Then my script just became waste. The copied ones added new features, I gave up hope.
They copied my idea for a good few months, then made changes and got big!
Makes me mad, but I too see it as a way of life, some people steal, some create, others destroy! It's a fact of life!
At 6/10/04 11:32 PM, flipsidedcom wrote: I am not making any money from the portal at all, and I even link to newgrounds numerous times. I am even a big fan of the site.
would u mind saying exactly what is wrong with newgrounds that made u go away and make your own portal site?.. or was it just that u wanted to be idolised like tom..
At 6/11/04 05:26 AM, flipsidedcom wrote: You guys mention copycats, and it seems that Flipsided.com is the only site you are ranting about. Move on to the next site. This thread will top the others by the end.
personally.. i wont move on to the next site untill i see you bow down.. and i think others should follow suit..
i believe we should encourage the boycotting of copycat sites, by any means necissary.. otherwise ng WILL die.. and once all these 16 year old "punks" as you put it, out run their bandwidth or cant afford the renewal costs, then they too will close down.. and where will we be then.. back to step 1 with nowhere to share our creations with likeminded people.. fucking bullshit, i wont let it happen..
At 6/11/04 10:46 AM, loopster22 wrote: arent i funny?... no.. ok :(
No, insulting the creator of this site is extremely unfunny.
At 6/11/04 10:41 AM, loopster22 wrote:You can go ahead and visit those other sites,thanks tom, was waiting for your permission.. faggot
LOL yes u are funny, too fucking right, well done for ahving the balls to say something bad against tom, i dont ahve a clue why u all like him so much, but if u fancy cramming ure nose up his dirty crack then be my guest but you ent gonna see me do it
At 6/10/04 11:35 PM, flipsidedcom wrote:At 6/10/04 10:08 PM, Turnip_Decoy wrote: You, flipsidedcom, are the reason so many of us are PISSED OFF.I personally think newgrounds users suck up to the staff, and they are replying to this thread on his behalf. Not that I mean that in a negative way, that is just my opinion.
So you're saying that we're not REALLY pissed, we're just acting like it to impress the administrators? How come newbies that barely knew who the administrators were are pissed? How come the artists of flash works themselves are pissed?
You keep trying to cover up the fact that you've done something blasphemous to Newgrounds by stealing their coding. One person said that it was all too familiar to him, and he knew, the first time he came there, where everything was. What does THAT tell you? That your site is so much like NG, it's like a perfect recreation? Frankly, I don't think we CARE if you post links to NG all over the place. It's the principle behind the thing.
Please, I'd LOVE to hear your refute to the first paragraph.
At 6/9/04 01:21 PM, TomFulp wrote:
well tom all i can say is your absoulutly right to be pissed at anyone whos stealing your idea and making off with it with no hey thanks to tom fulp or newgrounds for the idea
but people do it all the time to everything and since most of the stuff on ng is satires of videogames pop culture and whatnot its like painting the kettle black...
true you did start a new genre
be happy with that my man
besides all teh copycat sites in the world dont even equal up to 1 percent of ng
if those sites bug ya that much
im sure some you could do something like
get a membership on their sites and post links to ng like how they do to us
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