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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:17 PM Reply

It's definitely the fanbase that speaks for itself. You can copy the source code for the Flash Portal and show votes and stuff like that for your own site, but I imagine it's pretty damn hard to round up so many users in a short time. The BBS posts, the stats on individual users, all of this shows how dedicated the fans are, as well as how long they've been here. It would be soooo interesting to sneak a peek at the admin tools they've got here, just to see how active a percentage of the users are, how often they log in to the site (I know I'm an NG junkie myself!) and what percentage of them have been here more than 2 years (can't even count myself in that category).

The numbers that this place generates from the numerous fans is no doubt what gets NG good funding from advertisers, pays the staff well, and keeps this place free for everyone (amazingly). I'd like to see the copycat portal sites try to generate these numbers.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:19 PM Reply

YAY FOR NEWGROUNDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Newgrounds will always be the best one though, the original.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:21 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 01:32 PM, EviLDoG wrote: I prefer the sites which hand pick the good flash from sites around the internet and display them on their page.

i have no problem with that either, becuase i'm a big fan of flash-in-flash or site-to-site integration. The fan sites, copy sites, and NG related clubs just keep growing, and it's an old cliche but there's no finer compliment than copying. If it actually began to affect NG's bottomline then the BBC (telly-tubbies) and others would be the first to say "we told you so".. but i don't see that happening anytime soon. Tom and Ross and James AND Wade have set the standard and continued effort has kept NG #1. Only complacency or lazyness, or nuclear war would change that.

You do have to remember though that it is the flash that makes the portal, without the flash, it would be pointless. But the portal has improved the viewing, submission and judgement of flash movies/games significantly and i don't think anyone could disagree that Newgrounds is the ultimate Flash portal.

Correct. But there are always other ways to do things. For myself, my flash get's blammed not kuz it's not good in it's own right, but because it doesn't quite fit into the Movie/Game genre. It also got blammed from the FlashChalenge protal back in 2000. Prolly kuz it's closer to a 3D Sim (game elements are not my priority) so i felt i had to make my own flash portal just to get some feedback and bugtesting--- not "Fk'n shit!!!" reveiws -- but more like a permanent testing-phase portal.. so even NG Alpha section isn't appropriate.
Naturally i've added audio and sig/pic portals.. they're not hard to make using standard forum polling. Contacting NG admin and requesting a Simulation section is like (WTF?) disturbing the already-very-busy. I've had good, bad,and indifferent, responses to NG admin email - all of which are perfectly justified under the circumstances --I'm no better either!

As for the future of portals, it's anyones 'new-ground' or frontier. The Opportunity to bring my own 10 year vision to the net is still only just approaching, and being second or second-last making something doesn't mean i didn't think of or plan it before most others saw it in a hollywood movie. There are likely to be similarities here and there, just like everything, but originality always shines through eventually..

That's my opinion.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:27 PM Reply

your right.. its just a fact of the world we live in..

at the moment you have the monopoly, but one day someone will come along with your idea only better.. and put you out of buisness

it happens to every form of business in the computer industry..

sorry but thats the truth..

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:29 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 01:21 PM, TomFulp wrote: stuff

Look Tom, things like this will always happen. One man or team creates a good and original concept. It gets attention and other people get jealous by it so they copy the concept to get the same succes. As the original artist, ofcourse this will piss you off, but there is nothing you can do about it. It happens EVERYWHERE. In movies, music, art, clothing, politics etc etc etc. This is what i really hate too. Every person is unique so when u create something it should always be as unique as ur own fantasy, inspiration. This can simply not be the case because many people who create a product, simply do not posses the creativity and knowledge to make it really unique and cool. U can become extremely annoyed by this, but like i said, it wont help anything. Instead, just realise that YOU were the one who started it all and that YOU posses the creativity to make quality stuff. The copycats are in a way saying: Damn man, that guy made something extremely cool, i wish i could come up with that, but i cant so ill copy it and show the concept to others....


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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:30 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 01:32 PM, EviLDoG wrote:
I prefer the sites which hand pick the good flash from sites around the internet and display them on their page.

In a sense, this website does just that. Tom has the front page movies/games there for a reason, and lets not forget the Toon/Games section as well. You can't even find 1/10th of the stuff on NG there. You have to dig deep to find it.

However, I was suprised to hear that the Audio Portal (which has been somewhat neglected by users) came before the flash portal became automated. <3 to audio.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:36 PM Reply

Newgrounds was the first and only flash site Ive been to and is one of the most professional looking sites I have ever seen , well maybe not a couple years ago but now it has grown to be. Its hard to make a site of this magnatude and it is very hard to see all your hard work that took years to do copied in a mere couple of hours. But I guess it was a matter of time till everybody would make or at least try to make a "flash portal" of there own.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:37 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 02:30 PM, Crimson_Edge wrote: However, I was suprised to hear that the Audio Portal (which has been somewhat neglected by users) came before the flash portal became automated. <3 to audio.

Huh? The audio portal was only released last year (March 2003, I believe), whereas the flash portal was released on April 6, 2000 (four years ago)).

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:37 PM Reply

Hopefully, everything that can possibly be copywritten has been done so by Newgrounds. Otherwise, there's not much they can do. I'm assuming Pico and terms like, BLAM and other Newgrounds-isms can be considered intellectual property and therefore protected by copyrights.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:44 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 02:37 PM, liljim wrote: Huh? The audio portal was only released last year (March 2003, I believe), whereas the flash portal was released on April 6, 2000 (four years ago)).
At 6/9/04 01:21 PM, TomFulp wrote: I was receiving so many submissions via email that I worked with my friend Ross (an amazing coder) to build an automated version of "The Portal" (now referred to as the Flash Portal due to the existence of the Audio Portal) that same year.

According to Tom the Audio Portal came out during the same year. The way it is worded also lets one believe that it came out before the Flash Portal.

If I am in error however, please correct me.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:47 PM Reply

Aye. I'll be chatting with someone, and they say "ooh, look at this!" and link some ABS or ebaums shite. I alway always always gently steer them to here, and the portal entry.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:49 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 02:47 PM, Maus wrote: Aye. I'll be chatting with someone, and they say "ooh, look at this!" and link some ABS or ebaums shite. I alway always always gently steer them to here, and the portal entry.

Ebaums is a different kind of site were you can find "funny" things. Flash just happens to be one of them. Just because one site has the same thing that another has doesn't mean that it is copying.

Sure, Ebaums has taken alot of stuff that was originaly on NG, but they usually don't take it unless it is ALL over the web.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:50 PM Reply

I agree with so many who have posted here allready. NG will always be tops and the best about. What interests me though, is that Newgrounbds IS HUGE But by word of mouth literealy.... True flash artists will look about and come acrros NG (those who havent heard it anyway) But for everyone else its when someone asks you "Im bored... know any good sites" and my first reaction is alwats .. "Hey go to newgrounds.com"

And it spreads

But has anyone in the staff department thought about some serious advertisment... and i dont mean on the internet. What about some true advertising for Newgrounds? It could really do wonders for the site. And not just in the USA.. please god so something in the UK at least... there is a vast untapped market for NG all over the world... NG may be biggest portal out there... but is it really enough? I dont think so... it has so much potential for more. Give an advertsing agency a call... especialy with the upcomming Alien Homid... i mean when you leap into the comercial world... you are a business really... and i think like all Good businesses NG needs more.... deserves more

... ehem... did that make sense?

Well i hope someone spots this (not just the fans i mean)

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:55 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 02:44 PM, Crimson_Edge wrote:
At 6/9/04 01:21 PM, TomFulp wrote: I was receiving so many submissions via email that I worked with my friend Ross (an amazing coder) to build an automated version of "The Portal" (now referred to as the Flash Portal due to the existence of the Audio Portal) that same year.
According to Tom the Audio Portal came out during the same year. The way it is worded also lets one believe that it came out before the Flash Portal.

If I am in error however, please correct me.

You are reading it all wrong. Ignore the part in the ( ) 's. It would ready "...to build an automated version of "The Portal" that same year.

He doesn't say anything about the audio portal being made that year. The audio portal was made more recently by LilJim.

This part: "(now referred to as the Flash Portal due to the existence of the Audio Portal)" is just saying that since the creation of "The Portal" is has become known as the "Flash Portal" becuase of the more recent creation of the "Audio Portal".


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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:56 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 02:44 PM, Crimson_Edge wrote: According to Tom the Audio Portal came out during the same year. The way it is worded also lets one believe that it came out before the Flash Portal.

If I am in error however, please correct me.

As tempted as I am to call you a stupid ass Newbie, im just gonna say you're very wrong and please go away now.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 02:59 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 02:44 PM, Crimson_Edge wrote:
At 6/9/04 01:21 PM, TomFulp wrote: I was receiving so many submissions via email that I worked with my friend Ross (an amazing coder) to build an automated version of "The Portal" (now referred to as the Flash Portal due to the existence of the Audio Portal) that same year.
According to Tom the Audio Portal came out during the same year. The way it is worded also lets one believe that it came out before the Flash Portal.

You've misunderstood what he wrote. Take out this part of the sentence: (now referred to as the Flash Portal due to the existence of the Audio Portal) and it should make perfect sense to you. He's basically saying that he created the Portal in 2000 and the automated version of the flash portal was released later that same year, but the Portal is now generally referred to as the "Flash Portal" due to the fact that the "Audio Portal" now exists. Make sense?

If I am in error however, please correct me.

You are in error! I should know, I scripted the Audio Portal. :)

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:01 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 02:55 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Explanation.

Ugh. You beat me to it.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:03 PM Reply

Good for you Tom. Finally getting people to realize that NG is completly original, and that most other sites copy NG. I think if any other site should create it's own flashportal they should at least call it somthing other than the portal...Also, they should have different stuff rather than underjudgement or anyother unique portal signs of NG.

www.burstfilms.com does a great job of reacreating it's portal. It is automated and everything but it is called the Warehouse (Name given by me) and istead of being underjudgement, the new flash's are called "in Shipping". If only more Automated flash submission sites did that.....


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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:04 PM Reply

Lol

NG > everything > Flash Player/Albino Black Sheep

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:05 PM Reply

Ahh thank you Wade and Jim. I was reading it as the Audio Portal was made during the same year as the Flash Portal =P.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:05 PM Reply

Don't worry Tom, Newgrounds IS the best site for flash, and I'm 100% sure that more than 9.9/10 of the users here think the same way =)


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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:09 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 02:21 PM, I7I2-3-I7I7 wrote: Tom and Ross and James AND Wade have set the standard and continued effort has kept NG #1. Only complacency or lazyness, or nuclear war would change that.

I couldn't have said it better myself. The fact that this site grows at a pace several times faster than the imitators speaks volumes.

Nothing can replace NG in my heart. I was vaguely intrigued by albino blacksheep until I discovered they let anyone submit anything, regardless of ownership. But that was the closest any site has ever come to NG for me, and it didn't hold my attention for long. And after I figured out they were full of shit, I never really went back. I'm not going to support that kind of trickery and bullshit.

Perhaps NG should put something on the Portal page, like "The Net's Original Flash Portal"?


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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:09 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 02:49 PM, Crimson_Edge wrote: Sure, Ebaums has taken alot of stuff that was originaly on NG, but they usually don't take it unless it is ALL over the web.

My biggest gripe about them is they stamp 'ebaums' on it, like they came up with it. Other than that, you're spot-on. Some of the prank calls ARE pretty funny.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:14 PM Reply

I know this is off topic, but can one of you cool admin type people please get rid of my deleted movies? Ill be your best friend and give you candy.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:22 PM Reply

At 6/9/04 03:14 PM, ViciousMonkey wrote: I know this is off topic, but can one of you cool admin type people please get rid of my deleted movies? Ill be your best friend and give you candy.

You need to mail Wade ( wade@newgrounds.com ), and sending a list of links would probably help.


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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:23 PM Reply

Newgrounds is most definitely the most expansice and innovative of all the game sites out there. I remember when my friends first told me about Newgrounds.... the ecstasy of an endless supply of quality games...... thank you very much Tom and Wade....... :')

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:26 PM Reply

I'm not too clear on the term 'copyright', but what do these people who host these copycat websites think about when they see this?:

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:28 PM Reply

yeah ng is the best in the world. i've seen another site thats just the equvalent of the ng bbs. did you start that as well. yours is far better and has the most time put into it. it's really annoying to see this happen. you were one of the people that made this site so i can only emagine how much it pisses you off. i don't think they should be allowed to get away with site rip offs like that. there is another site that my friend said was good but it will never ever even come near to being as good as your site.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:28 PM Reply

Newgrounds are the pioneers. No doubt. Dont worry tom.

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Response to Copycat Rant Jun. 9th, 2004 @ 03:38 PM Reply

Maybe you can copyright the portal, if that doesn't work then you can hide the html code I know this site called cluedofan.com that has a banner thingy around every page so whenever you try to look at the code for any page you get the code for the banner (believe me I've tried it) maybe you can contact the webmaster of the site and see how he does it. If you don't ask him then it might just be copying part of his site.