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Newgrounds is the thing anyways. There are no other portals with such a massive library and especially such high-quality library. I wont betray NG ever!
This thread, is by far the best and most veritable example of arse-licking ever, in the history of time and space.
Bravo!! You have educated me and I appreciate this site and its creators even more. I love newgrounds....love seeing all the craziness people create and how much variety there is in the world. You have created the means to which tomorrows animators and game designers can show their work and be seen...in an otherwise tough business to get your work out there you have made a window through which the world can laugh, cry, or be utterly disgusted. Thanks to you and those behind you(not a gay joke).
At 6/9/04 01:21 PM, TomFulp wrote: Ok, I feel the need for a history lesson right now. In general I keep my cool about sites that copy off of Newgrounds, but I realized today that kids don't even know who is copying who. It seems plenty of users think that a "Flash Portal" is a common concept, all Flash Portals inherently look alike, and there is no way around it.
My rant was inspired by this thread.
In 1998, I started working with Flash. Back then, there were only a few notable Flash sites. Each site generally showcased the work of one person - the webmaster of the site. Newgrounds was my personal showcase.
In 2000 I created "The Portal" to showcase the Flash I made that wasn't big enough to be a "Newgrounds Feature". Fans started submitting their own Flash, so I showcased it in The Portal. I'm sure I wasn't the first guy to host someone else's Flash work, but Newgrounds did explode as the first community of Flash authors. I was receiving so many submissions via email that I worked with my friend Ross (an amazing coder) to build an automated version of "The Portal" (now referred to as the Flash Portal due to the existence of the Audio Portal) that same year.
So YES, Newgrounds was the first Flash Portal. I don't make many bold claims, but I will tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that we created the entire "Flash Portal" system that seems so common today. We were the first one to automate submissions, we were the first with the "three columns", we were the first with awards, we were the first with blams, saves, under judgements, and EVERY OTHER FEATURE you find on Newgrounds that is familiar on other sites. That is one thing I don't bullshit about... We have spent the past FOUR YEARS refining this system and making it what it is.
Nowadays, there are a lot of copycats. This past year has seen the biggest boom of copycat sites to date. Plenty of them have nice webmasters who really are cool guys, but none of that changes anything. They know where they got their inspiration (and much more), whether they admit it or not.
Every little aspect of NG has taken a lot of thought. We put tons of thought and work into our submission form, and now other webmasters simply copy the html code, paste it into their own page, and edit the values to submit to their database instead of ours. IT ISN'T THAT HARD TO RECREATE THE NG PORTAL, BUT CREATING IT DESERVES SOME CREDIT. I've spent countless hours brainstorming, as did Ross and as does James to this very day. We are still working on new features that require expansive planning. No doubt, a few years after their launch, they will seem simple and common as well.
Tom Im not sure about all this But maybe if you sue those who are copieing this site you made you could Put a stop to those who are useing your site for thier useless Ideas if you have NG.com copyrighted then you can bust em for Breaking the law for copyright infrenchment.
everyone knows breaking the Copyright law is a Big No No and if the people are found Guilty of that spacific crime they have broken such as online copyrighting a protected site they can face up to a maximum of 2 years in jail and up to $12.000 Fine Half that money goes to you TOM hehehe (just share with wade he helps you out in NG also Guy LOL ) Thats all I knoew and tell ya LOL
wow,fucking right man....it's true,you guys spend so much effort and time into this website where you get barely anything out of and other website have to go around taking your ideas liek it's ok.....Mr Fulp....I have to say,you made a damn good website....I am a huge fan and you should be DAMN PROUD that you have so many fans,many may not appreciate it,but you know you are the creator and lord of flash,I know it,100s of other people know it...even the people who stole the Flash Idea know it....I say Fuck them........I've been to other sites that have the "Portal" and "submition from users" and never really thought about who created it...you did,I appreciate all your hard work you put into this........and I DEFINATLY thank you for staying loyal to your fans and being fair NOT making us pay to get in the site like alot of these CopyCat Bastards
*bows down to the Lord of Flash*
I don't think it's as much about being copied as it is about being copied and not getting credit for inspiring the copy. I know that's what I'd angry about. If there were something out there that closely aped my work and was a blatant rip-off, I'd at least appriciate a nod for providing its inspiration.
Though when it comes down to it, I'd be flattered that someone found my work interesting enough to imitate it, rather then getting too pissed off about it, so meh.
You couldn't be more right Tom. I've been away a while, but during the time I spent on NG, it was always changing and improving. Now that Ive come back to visit my old favorite, I am amazed at the evolution of the site. Everything is beautiful. Damn, even the background Im typing on is impressive. And I KNOW everything about this place came from you, your brother, and your talented associates.
In my book, there IS only one source for flash nirvana. And it's here. Ive said it before, and I'll say it again: Newgrounds is the best thing on the internet.
Keep up the hard work, and I hope that it brings you everying you desire. I am a permanent fan, as I expect many others are. Anybody that thinks other sites are backed by talent and dedication that even APPROACHES that of NG is a damned fool, and deserves to waste their time on 2nd and 3rd-best sites.
Dammit. Now IM pissed.
Maybe this will upset some of you out there...
I was bored so...
Lanth presents: the New Newgroudns Section!
I've just spent about an hour reading though all these posts and it's clear what people think.
Tom as a right to be pissed because people are stealing code but you can't dis people because they've set up another portal site.
Tom - there's numerous packages out there that's encrypt your source code. If someone knows what there're doing they'll be able to bypass it okay, but it'll stop the novice guys from stealing stuff.
We live in a materialistic world where everything is influenced by everything else. We wouldn't have Star Wars or Indiana Jones without 1920s serials, Pepsi without Coke, Kill Bill without (lots, and lots, and lots of movies) and blockbuster movies without the one that came out the week before etc, etc, etc, etc. It's just the way of the word. Be pissed of, yes. But it's just too complicated and stressful to do anything legal about it. As some of you have already said, should we not credit whoever came up with the first forum? Don't Flash deserve to be mentioned? What about the guy who came up with email? Do you even know where he's from?
Newgrounds is a force that will never go away, and you've got nothing to worry about. But competition is good for everyone all around. If Microsoft had a level rival then maybe we would finally get some products that worked.
It's clear that Newgrounds has a loyal following, but you are only one target market. As a flash author I want our flash to be seen by as many different people as possible. You guys may not go to Atom, iFilm, TFN or any of the portals that have been mentioned here. And equality, the guys that go there may not come here.
Just recently on TFN someone was asking about good Star Wars Fan Films they may have missed, and I told them to come here. It's all about exposure.
I submitted our movie here about eight weeks ago - The Bounty Hunters Talk Back
and we got a great response, but it was clear that some of you really hated it. And that's fair enough. But maybe some of these other portals are geared towards different groups of people.
Don't get territorial and say "Newgrounds is cool and everything else sucks!" Make an informed decision and then decide. No one's asking you to choose one over the other.
To sum up, stealing code is bad, having another flash portal is good.
Not only am I delusional, but I prefer a portal that isn't smeared with porn, so I'm used to referring to that webmaster, forgivinate moi.
HAhah that DumbCat Dude is an Idiot.
Just like the Fact you know Ford was the first to bring the car to
poor losers like you, the same is the fact that NG was the first Automated Portal.
I know Mufucka who used flash since "2" and there was no place to upload shit,cept to have links on forums.. until newgrounds..
I've Read Fulpsters Post, backward and forward..
He aint being arrogant, he's stating fact. and it doesnt look like he's asking for favors from Losers like "Cringed" "LopSided", "Fagplayer.com"
He's just letting you know who started this revolution.. that's all.
you lil fag...
i have been a fan of this site sice before the portal way back when they had the preloading jokes on the front page (but i didnt have enough time to become a member untill a little while agao) and i think that it is bullshit that other sites would do such a thing. so i prepose that we all go make flash animations that support newgrounds and bomb the copycat sites with them.
end of the day, thyve got a portal, same as you. if you cant sue em or legally make them get rid of them, theres no point discussing it...unless your that bored
I may be new to the internet but i know what i like and well I like newgrounds. And i hate copycats. So i say get back at those sites that took your flash portal coding and make them pay a very large fine.
forget all the other ones , i dont know why other people try to make a flash portal , NG will always be the best and the only TRUE portal and on that does not steal from other sites. fuckTHAtshit
At 6/16/04 07:46 PM, ryan789oya wrote: forget all the other ones , i dont know why other people try to make a flash portal , NG will always be the best and the only TRUE portal and on that does not steal from other sites. fuckTHAtshit
Exactly what I think. I'm not trying to sound like a "fan" (not the ones who like the site. the "fan" I'm talking about is like a groupie for a band), but Newgrounds is the best Flash Portal, because:
1) It's the ORINGINAL, and sequels are never as good as the first.
2) It's of the highest quality.
3) Is the BIGGEST one in the world (I have some doubt about that, but I'm pretty sure)
So, I think I'll stay on Newgrounds for my flash viewing.
Oh, and I just wanted to say congratulations to Tom, because it seems to fit the topic. Not many people can start out with nothing, and build the most well-known flash author communtity on the internet. And the one that has the best looking pages, to boot.
NG will always be #1,Tom you have done amazing things on this site,and it will stay like that,I will always follow NG
I have somewhat different thoughts on this issue. In my opinion, the Internet is and should be a heterogeneous environment. I am a relatively new member of Newgrounds.Com even though I have contributed only reviews recently. I have enjoyed Newgrounds and the excellent artists who contribute their work. However, for a good while I was unable to access Newgroundds AT ALL. This was simply due to the lame Internet connection I've had since only a few weeks ago. It was dialup and considerably slower than even 56k. Not only did the site take long to load: I couldn't even view movies or games.
If there was an alternative portal that could have been loaded even on my original connection or if this site, original and great as it is, got shut down, would I consider to use it? Of course, so I could have the opportunity to continue viewing other's work and possibley submit my own.
I do not think the portal concept should be patented or the site's source code even copyrighted. I simply think that there should always be alternatives to the mainstream. Yes, Newgrounds is the original: that can't change. However, there could be opportunities to extend Newgrounds's portal idea further and provide alternative pathways to share your artwork with others. Heterogeneity is good: provide competing Flash portals so the artists who call prefer their own "home" portal can have friendly competitions with other artists to improve their work! Have Flash portals compete with one another and strive to make their work constantly better (not that Newgrounds, of course, doesn't do that already =)). I disagree with ripping off people's work, especially for making a profit; but sites like Flipsided seem to merely need to start somewhere, even if it means borrowing others' ideas for a time.
Sites, like Newgrounds, evolve. Give Flipsided some time, and Flash artists may have another community where they can compete and make acquaintance with other artists other than those they are familiar with here! What we may see isn't mere copycatting but the possible start of an even larger Flash community overall.
NG Forever!! (I Just Had To Say It I Forgot It In My Other Post)
Note To Others: Wade And Tom Are Not "Sirs" They Are...Wade And Tom So Dont Call Them Sir I Bet Ya I Gets Them Really Annoyed Sometimes....