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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 04:48:11 Reply

I love the fucking fact that every one of you overlooked my previous post in another page.

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 05:20:03 Reply

Post it again Drunky. Let them hear a voice of reason that differs from most of the even level-headed users on this site. : )

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 07:13:06 Reply

I already have given them credit a long time ago.

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 08:51:56 Reply

Newgrounds is the thing anyways. There are no other portals with such a massive library and especially such high-quality library. I wont betray NG ever!

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 12:19:00 Reply

This thread, is by far the best and most veritable example of arse-licking ever, in the history of time and space.

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 14:31:58 Reply

No Doubt About It. Congrat. Tom!

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 15:25:03 Reply

Tom--

Bravo!! You have educated me and I appreciate this site and its creators even more. I love newgrounds....love seeing all the craziness people create and how much variety there is in the world. You have created the means to which tomorrows animators and game designers can show their work and be seen...in an otherwise tough business to get your work out there you have made a window through which the world can laugh, cry, or be utterly disgusted. Thanks to you and those behind you(not a gay joke).
Saihung

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 18:25:25 Reply

Fair play to u sir, i agree, you are turly wise

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 18:28:46 Reply

At 6/9/04 01:21 PM, TomFulp wrote: Ok, I feel the need for a history lesson right now. In general I keep my cool about sites that copy off of Newgrounds, but I realized today that kids don't even know who is copying who. It seems plenty of users think that a "Flash Portal" is a common concept, all Flash Portals inherently look alike, and there is no way around it.

My rant was inspired by this thread.

Now for the history. I started the Newgrounds website in 1995. It became popular in 1996 due to my html (later, javascript) games such as Club a Seal and Assassin. I was just finishing high school at the time.

In 1998, I started working with Flash. Back then, there were only a few notable Flash sites. Each site generally showcased the work of one person - the webmaster of the site. Newgrounds was my personal showcase.

In 2000 I created "The Portal" to showcase the Flash I made that wasn't big enough to be a "Newgrounds Feature". Fans started submitting their own Flash, so I showcased it in The Portal. I'm sure I wasn't the first guy to host someone else's Flash work, but Newgrounds did explode as the first community of Flash authors. I was receiving so many submissions via email that I worked with my friend Ross (an amazing coder) to build an automated version of "The Portal" (now referred to as the Flash Portal due to the existence of the Audio Portal) that same year.

So YES, Newgrounds was the first Flash Portal. I don't make many bold claims, but I will tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that we created the entire "Flash Portal" system that seems so common today. We were the first one to automate submissions, we were the first with the "three columns", we were the first with awards, we were the first with blams, saves, under judgements, and EVERY OTHER FEATURE you find on Newgrounds that is familiar on other sites. That is one thing I don't bullshit about... We have spent the past FOUR YEARS refining this system and making it what it is.

Nowadays, there are a lot of copycats. This past year has seen the biggest boom of copycat sites to date. Plenty of them have nice webmasters who really are cool guys, but none of that changes anything. They know where they got their inspiration (and much more), whether they admit it or not.

Every little aspect of NG has taken a lot of thought. We put tons of thought and work into our submission form, and now other webmasters simply copy the html code, paste it into their own page, and edit the values to submit to their database instead of ours. IT ISN'T THAT HARD TO RECREATE THE NG PORTAL, BUT CREATING IT DESERVES SOME CREDIT. I've spent countless hours brainstorming, as did Ross and as does James to this very day. We are still working on new features that require expansive planning. No doubt, a few years after their launch, they will seem simple and common as well.

Tom Im not sure about all this But maybe if you sue those who are copieing this site you made you could Put a stop to those who are useing your site for thier useless Ideas if you have NG.com copyrighted then you can bust em for Breaking the law for copyright infrenchment.
everyone knows breaking the Copyright law is a Big No No and if the people are found Guilty of that spacific crime they have broken such as online copyrighting a protected site they can face up to a maximum of 2 years in jail and up to $12.000 Fine Half that money goes to you TOM hehehe (just share with wade he helps you out in NG also Guy LOL ) Thats all I knoew and tell ya LOL

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 19:25:56 Reply

wow,fucking right man....it's true,you guys spend so much effort and time into this website where you get barely anything out of and other website have to go around taking your ideas liek it's ok.....Mr Fulp....I have to say,you made a damn good website....I am a huge fan and you should be DAMN PROUD that you have so many fans,many may not appreciate it,but you know you are the creator and lord of flash,I know it,100s of other people know it...even the people who stole the Flash Idea know it....I say Fuck them........I've been to other sites that have the "Portal" and "submition from users" and never really thought about who created it...you did,I appreciate all your hard work you put into this........and I DEFINATLY thank you for staying loyal to your fans and being fair NOT making us pay to get in the site like alot of these CopyCat Bastards

*bows down to the Lord of Flash*

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 20:58:15 Reply

You are all a bunch of dumbasses. *Sighs*

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 21:54:02 Reply

I don't think it's as much about being copied as it is about being copied and not getting credit for inspiring the copy. I know that's what I'd angry about. If there were something out there that closely aped my work and was a blatant rip-off, I'd at least appriciate a nod for providing its inspiration.

Though when it comes down to it, I'd be flattered that someone found my work interesting enough to imitate it, rather then getting too pissed off about it, so meh.

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-14 23:30:37 Reply

You couldn't be more right Tom. I've been away a while, but during the time I spent on NG, it was always changing and improving. Now that Ive come back to visit my old favorite, I am amazed at the evolution of the site. Everything is beautiful. Damn, even the background Im typing on is impressive. And I KNOW everything about this place came from you, your brother, and your talented associates.
In my book, there IS only one source for flash nirvana. And it's here. Ive said it before, and I'll say it again: Newgrounds is the best thing on the internet.
Keep up the hard work, and I hope that it brings you everying you desire. I am a permanent fan, as I expect many others are. Anybody that thinks other sites are backed by talent and dedication that even APPROACHES that of NG is a damned fool, and deserves to waste their time on 2nd and 3rd-best sites.

Dammit. Now IM pissed.
Peace.

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-15 04:47:22 Reply

Hehe...
Maybe this will upset some of you out there...
I was bored so...

Lanth presents: the New Newgroudns Section!
<img src="http://www.paoband.de/submitng.jpg">
*tada!*

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-15 04:52:52 Reply

ARGH!
Do I really have to upload it? Ok...

Nope, if you want to see it, go here:

New Newgrounds Section!

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-15 05:17:48 Reply

I've just spent about an hour reading though all these posts and it's clear what people think.

Tom as a right to be pissed because people are stealing code but you can't dis people because they've set up another portal site.

Tom - there's numerous packages out there that's encrypt your source code. If someone knows what there're doing they'll be able to bypass it okay, but it'll stop the novice guys from stealing stuff.

We live in a materialistic world where everything is influenced by everything else. We wouldn't have Star Wars or Indiana Jones without 1920s serials, Pepsi without Coke, Kill Bill without (lots, and lots, and lots of movies) and blockbuster movies without the one that came out the week before etc, etc, etc, etc. It's just the way of the word. Be pissed of, yes. But it's just too complicated and stressful to do anything legal about it. As some of you have already said, should we not credit whoever came up with the first forum? Don't Flash deserve to be mentioned? What about the guy who came up with email? Do you even know where he's from?

Newgrounds is a force that will never go away, and you've got nothing to worry about. But competition is good for everyone all around. If Microsoft had a level rival then maybe we would finally get some products that worked.

It's clear that Newgrounds has a loyal following, but you are only one target market. As a flash author I want our flash to be seen by as many different people as possible. You guys may not go to Atom, iFilm, TFN or any of the portals that have been mentioned here. And equality, the guys that go there may not come here.

Just recently on TFN someone was asking about good Star Wars Fan Films they may have missed, and I told them to come here. It's all about exposure.

I submitted our movie here about eight weeks ago - The Bounty Hunters Talk Back

and we got a great response, but it was clear that some of you really hated it. And that's fair enough. But maybe some of these other portals are geared towards different groups of people.

Don't get territorial and say "Newgrounds is cool and everything else sucks!" Make an informed decision and then decide. No one's asking you to choose one over the other.

To sum up, stealing code is bad, having another flash portal is good.

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-15 05:26:40 Reply

Those unoriginal fuckers' sites will never compare 2 newgrounds bcuz nobody beats newgrounds

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-15 06:23:13 Reply

Not only am I delusional, but I prefer a portal that isn't smeared with porn, so I'm used to referring to that webmaster, forgivinate moi.

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-15 06:51:45 Reply

that site is down...i wonder how that happened...oairlkgsdfj...hardcore out

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-15 11:15:43 Reply

HAhah that DumbCat Dude is an Idiot.

Just like the Fact you know Ford was the first to bring the car to
poor losers like you, the same is the fact that NG was the first Automated Portal.
I know Mufucka who used flash since "2" and there was no place to upload shit,cept to have links on forums.. until newgrounds..

I've Read Fulpsters Post, backward and forward..
He aint being arrogant, he's stating fact. and it doesnt look like he's asking for favors from Losers like "Cringed" "LopSided", "Fagplayer.com"
or yourself

He's just letting you know who started this revolution.. that's all.
you lil fag...

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-15 11:17:05 Reply

i have been a fan of this site sice before the portal way back when they had the preloading jokes on the front page (but i didnt have enough time to become a member untill a little while agao) and i think that it is bullshit that other sites would do such a thing. so i prepose that we all go make flash animations that support newgrounds and bomb the copycat sites with them.
Im off! (isnt there some way that you could encode the portal with javascript or something so you cannot view the source?)

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-15 15:00:17 Reply

You can use javascript and some base_64_decode to encrypt the source and all the viewers see in the "source" is scrambled letters, but that does not work when the file gets cached. So if the viewer goes there they got themselves the source anyways. That is a nice way to block "newbies" from your source but other then that it is impossible.

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-15 16:25:09 Reply

end of the day, thyve got a portal, same as you. if you cant sue em or legally make them get rid of them, theres no point discussing it...unless your that bored

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-16 01:29:21 Reply

p_master_jiggles,

You newly made animation made me chuckle, congrats.

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-16 05:10:57 Reply

I may be new to the internet but i know what i like and well I like newgrounds. And i hate copycats. So i say get back at those sites that took your flash portal coding and make them pay a very large fine.

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-16 19:46:55 Reply

forget all the other ones , i dont know why other people try to make a flash portal , NG will always be the best and the only TRUE portal and on that does not steal from other sites. fuckTHAtshit

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-16 20:54:18 Reply

At 6/16/04 07:46 PM, ryan789oya wrote: forget all the other ones , i dont know why other people try to make a flash portal , NG will always be the best and the only TRUE portal and on that does not steal from other sites. fuckTHAtshit

Exactly what I think. I'm not trying to sound like a "fan" (not the ones who like the site. the "fan" I'm talking about is like a groupie for a band), but Newgrounds is the best Flash Portal, because:

1) It's the ORINGINAL, and sequels are never as good as the first.

2) It's of the highest quality.

3) Is the BIGGEST one in the world (I have some doubt about that, but I'm pretty sure)

So, I think I'll stay on Newgrounds for my flash viewing.

Oh, and I just wanted to say congratulations to Tom, because it seems to fit the topic. Not many people can start out with nothing, and build the most well-known flash author communtity on the internet. And the one that has the best looking pages, to boot.

-Noctum

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-17 04:44:51 Reply

What about Flash Player? My little brother look at that one.

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-17 17:11:08 Reply

well who really cares I dont i think no one will die because of this look a like portal. and who cares I like flipsided. Its so COOL!!!!

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Response to Copycat Rant 2004-06-17 17:22:32 Reply

NG will always be #1,Tom you have done amazing things on this site,and it will stay like that,I will always follow NG