It sucks to be them, doesn't it?
All that pressure, over things they might not even like doing.
I'm a fucking class A underachiever. I've scored 98th percentile in most of the aptitude tests I've done at school, yet I failed all but 2 of my summer exams. Apathy sucks sometimes.
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I much rather be an over-achiever so I could at least feel I'm doing something right in my life
I'm a big case of under-achieving
man being an underachiever is worse, you deal with constant failure and achievers mocking you... I'd like to be an over achiever...
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They should just do their best, not try and be THE best.
Depends, some people just seem to thrive in high pressure situations where they have a lot on their plate. If that's the kind of life that someone likes then more power to them. Barrign the stress related heart-attack at 45 it's not a bad skill to have. Of course if you're talking about a situation where a kid's parents already have their life planned out for them and their plate is full because that's what daddy wants then I agree, someone shouldn't forced to overachieve.
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At 8/14/14 01:31 PM, Jeff-Teh-Great wrote: They should just do their best, not try and be THE best.
Struggling to see the distinction.
Overachievers unite!
I only "overachieved" because I was the only guy to actually still pay attention in class and the fact the government considers me legally stupid - now I'm off to the best university in the UK (or the 2nd best) for my specific course.
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At 8/14/14 01:46 PM, Jercurpac wrote: Of course if you're talking about a situation where a kid's parents already have their life planned out for them and their plate is full because that's what daddy wants then I agree, someone shouldn't forced to overachieve.
This is what I meant.
I hate it when people, especially kids are forced to overachieve.
Sucks for them, doesn't it?
Also, what about those overachievers who actually like overachieving?
Those people who think they're all so high and mighty just because they've got a higher grade or something-- no better than the man who brags about having a higher salary.
At 8/14/14 01:31 PM, Jeff-Teh-Great wrote: They should just do their best, not try and be THE best.
Indeed, people should.
No one can ever be "the best" at anything.
The closest they could get would be being "fairly decent" or "pretty damn good".
At 8/14/14 01:27 PM, SubliminalVirus wrote: I'd like to be an over achiever...
It's not worth it.
Overachiever here. Going through school I blew all the curves which pissed a lot of people off.
Yeah all the pressure on you to continue the same level of performance is a bit tough. Whereas if some other student got a B maybe that wouldn't be seen as too bad yet when you're that straight-A student who gets a B people can be hard on you for it.
Plus everyone seems to erroneously think you're trying to compete with them when really it couldn't be further from the truth. @Jeff-Teh-Great mentioned trying to be the best. But see that's not true at all. The very best doesn't have to try. They just are. Everyone else has to try to be as good as them. There's always going to be someone who is *the* best at any one thing.
And that's another thing too. Whereas most students viewed things as a competition and were competing against me or whoever, I never viewed it that way so pay close attention here because this is my winning strategy. I only ever compete with myself. I ignore what other people are doing or where they are. I just try to self-improve and others don't even come into the equation. And in many cases I was the absolute best in various things because of this attitude.
If you have a competitive mindset you're going about it all wrong. Switch to a self-improvement mindset if you really want to win. Advice of an overachiever. Plus this works wherever you are, whether you're at the very top or the very bottom, because you can always improve.
At 8/14/14 07:25 PM, NGPulp wrote: Also, what about those overachievers who actually like overachieving?
Those people who think they're all so high and mighty just because they've got a higher grade or something-- no better than the man who brags about having a higher salary.
Don't know what to say, man. it just feels good to be number one in something. I don't brag about it, but I don't take it lightly either.
No one can ever be "the best" at anything.
The closest they could get would be being "fairly decent" or "pretty damn good".
Completely disagree. No one stays the best forever, but Olympic gold medals aren't handed out to those who were "fairly decent" or "pretty damn good."
At 8/14/14 07:46 PM, FinaLee wrote:At 8/14/14 07:25 PM, NGPulp wrote: No one can ever be "the best" at anything.Completely disagree. No one stays the best forever, but Olympic gold medals aren't handed out to those who were "fairly decent" or "pretty damn good."
The closest they could get would be being "fairly decent" or "pretty damn good".
Yeah there's always a best, even if that's just a local best. And then you have a worldwide best and so forth. Someone is or was the best at any one thing, always, unless there's a tie.
If you win at something locally, you're still the best, it's just it's a local best instead of a worldwide best.
At 8/14/14 07:46 PM, FinaLee wrote:No one can ever be "the best" at anything.Completely disagree. No one stays the best forever, but Olympic gold medals aren't handed out to those who were "fairly decent" or "pretty damn good."
The closest they could get would be being "fairly decent" or "pretty damn good".
I'm not trying to downsize wanting to be the best, or anything-- but it's hard to please everyone.
Farthest anyone can get is "pretty damn good".
It is apt that medals are given to those who are pretty damn good at what they do.
The competitiveness of some overachievers irks me-- then there are idiots who think they're good at something, when they're not.
If someone excels above anyone else in some sort of field, wouldn't you say that they are the best though? It sounds like you have more of an issue with arrogance than overachievement.
At 8/14/14 08:06 PM, FinaLee wrote: If someone excels above anyone else in some sort of field, wouldn't you say that they are the best though?
I guess.
I try to avoid using those terms in order to avoid hyperbole.
Dunno why, I just feel like doing it.
It sounds like you have more of an issue with arrogance than overachievement.
I guess.
That and the pressure that comes with being a forced overachiever.
@NGPulp
Let's say the world's strongest men line up for a competition. Each lifts their absolute max. One of the men will inevitably lift more than all the others, even if it's just by a small margin. So then isn't that the strongest man? Wouldn't he be the best at that activity?
Ditto for any activity really. You're going to have either a very best or else some kinds of ties.
@NeonSpider I understand that it is pretty apt that a person who strives to do their best in something reaps the rewards and gets a title-- that's pretty fair.
What about those who are forced to work hard in a field they don't like in order to reap a reward for someone else, though?
Also, what about those who reap rewards with minimal effort?
That's what I wanted to discuss, really.
At 8/15/14 03:17 AM, NGPulp wrote: @NeonSpider I understand that it is pretty apt that a person who strives to do their best in something reaps the rewards and gets a title-- that's pretty fair.
What about those who are forced to work hard in a field they don't like in order to reap a reward for someone else, though?
Also, what about those who reap rewards with minimal effort?
That's what I wanted to discuss, really.
You mean the workforce? Unless you're your own boss you're pretty much forced to work hard to reap rewards for somebody else who likely does comparatively little. I'm not a fan of that arrangement and I think it'd be good if we, as a society, could grow to a point where that's no longer the case. But I don't think it's likely to happen anytime soon. I very much despise "business types" who have no skills (and "business skills" don't count as skills). It's kind of a necessary evil at present though.
As for people who reap rewards with minimal effort, assuming they themselves are doing the work and not just making other people do the work for them or taking cheap shortcuts, they rightfully earn the rewards. Whether someone becomes amazing through sheer determination or whether they by default were already amazing makes little difference.
People are often jealous of those who are better than they are, and they really shouldn't be. Don't focus on someone who is better than you. Instead focus only on yourself. Improve yourself. That is how you can become the best.
So much is internal that people don't realize. They think if only they can beat so-and-so that'll show 'em! When that's really a loser's mentality. Focus internally and not on other people at all for self-improvement. As long as you are making progress relative to where you were, you're doing alright.
At 8/14/14 09:14 AM, NGPulp wrote: It sucks to be them, doesn't it?
All that pressure, over things they might not even like doing.
Yup, it pretty much sucks to be them.
At 8/14/14 01:52 PM, FinaLee wrote:At 8/14/14 01:31 PM, Jeff-Teh-Great wrote: They should just do their best, not try and be THE best.Struggling to see the distinction.
Overachievers unite!
*raises proverbial glass*
To a degree, I'm an overachiever too -- but where in the past it was to avoid further abuse from my parents, this time, at present, I'm doing it for my own soul's sake, and for the people around me.
At 8/15/14 03:34 AM, NeonSpider wrote: You mean the workforce? Unless you're your own boss you're pretty much forced to work hard to reap rewards for somebody else who likely does comparatively little.
While that's pretty bad, I understand that we have to live with it.
I was talking about more along the lines of this:
At 8/15/14 04:18 AM, Troisnyx wrote: To a degree, I'm an overachiever too -- but where in the past it was to avoid further abuse from my parents...
Overachieving students who are abused by their parents into working harder.
It'd suck to be that guy.
As for people who reap rewards with minimal effort, assuming they themselves are doing the work and not just making other people do the work for them or taking cheap shortcuts, they rightfully earn the rewards.
Well, the people who know how to do a lot on their own with minimal effort are indeed quite talented.
At 8/15/14 04:57 AM, NGPulp wrote:At 8/15/14 03:34 AM, NeonSpider wrote: You mean the workforce? Unless you're your own boss you're pretty much forced to work hard to reap rewards for somebody else who likely does comparatively little.While that's pretty bad, I understand that we have to live with it.
I was talking about more along the lines of this:
At 8/15/14 04:18 AM, Troisnyx wrote: To a degree, I'm an overachiever too -- but where in the past it was to avoid further abuse from my parents...Overachieving students who are abused by their parents into working harder.
It'd suck to be that guy.
That's typical Asian parents for you. And in Asia proper, it gets worse.
All those stories in the West about kids being beaten up for failing to deliver, etc., etc., etc.? It's true, and it can sometimes get worse. When a kid is locked up in his room with little to eat it counts as abuse, but apparently not when a kid is called "stupid," "useless," and given severe beatings that cause mental scars, if not physical ones.
Believe me, I know, because I've been there!
At 8/15/14 05:21 AM, Troisnyx wrote:At 8/15/14 04:57 AM, NGPulp wrote:All those stories in the West about asian kids being beaten up for failing to deliver, etc., etc., etc.? It's true, and it can sometimes get worse.At 8/15/14 03:34 AM, NeonSpider wrote:
Believe me, I know, because I've been there!
That's terrible, man.
Well, you made it-- you got through the hard times.
That's what's important.
Why is the abuse of children into doing better in school still a damn thing?
Encouraging speech isn't enough, I guess.
At 8/15/14 05:28 AM, NGPulp wrote:At 8/15/14 05:21 AM, Troisnyx wrote:That's terrible, man.At 8/15/14 04:57 AM, NGPulp wrote:All those stories in the West about asian kids being beaten up for failing to deliver, etc., etc., etc.? It's true, and it can sometimes get worse.At 8/15/14 03:34 AM, NeonSpider wrote:
Believe me, I know, because I've been there!
Well, you made it-- you got through the hard times.
That's what's important.
Why is the abuse of children into doing better in school still a damn thing?
Encouraging speech isn't enough, I guess.
When I was growing up I saw posters and things from UNICEF and a few other organisations, all decrying this, saying that even emotional abuse is real. I even remember my church friends saying the same, and many lived up to it in that they tried to avoid this sort of treatment of children. But otherwise, many parents where I grew up, including my parents, simply ignored it and kept doing what they did. These beatings etc. Some, again like my parents, did it to spite their own parents -- who in their younger years had beaten their children but perhaps began to see the error of their ways when I was the one being hit.
I remember almost being killed by this, but I will not get there.
Back to the topic though, I overachieve now because I believe I can. My parents are not physically there with me. But to show them I can rise above this... I do what I do now.
for some, overachieving is natural if they really enjoy what they are doing.
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At 8/14/14 09:14 AM, NGPulp wrote: It sucks to be them, doesn't it?
I bet it's a pain in the ass for them.
All that pressure, over things they might not even like doing.
They'll do anything to please their parents....
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