Be a Supporter!

Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread

  • 9,100 Views
  • 239 Replies
New Topic Respond to this Topic
Troisnyx
Troisnyx
  • Member since: Jun. 26, 2011
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 17
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-23 12:39:05 Reply

I'm beginning my judging for the Underdogs tonight.

Also, those of you recommending a competition where you can only use freebies: I am ALL for that. I do the same myself, but:

There has to be a high degree of accountability and more proof than just a list, stating what VSTs everyone uses. A screenshot, perhaps. Those who are judging will have to watch like a hawk for any paid VST that crops up.........

Hardcore participants may take it one step further and only use DAW defaults, if they so wish.

Sundans
Sundans
  • Member since: Aug. 20, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 05
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-23 12:40:35 Reply

At 8/23/14 08:49 AM, Possibly wrote:
Interestingly enough, no one was disqualified and/or privately dropped out from the Underdogs Group, whereas slightly more did in the Prof. Amateurs, and the most did in the All-Stars! That means that the Underdogs Group is the most competitive at this point, as 3 participants from each group will still advance to the next round.
That is interesting - were some people disqualified? How come? Naming no names.

Anyway - however it turns out, thanks to Door6 for organising this - it's a nice idea.

I've also 'fanned' all the people who got through to this submission stage - so you all have one new fan anyway.

Earlier in the thread (or it may have been a diffeent thread actually), someone mentioned about how expensive vst etc can give people an advantage - how about a competition where you can only use free vst? For a level playing field. Not because I rail at the injustice of people using whatever they want, but just for the fun, and you'd end up with lots of chiptunes, which can only be a good thing.

Then you could make the argument that some DAWs have native VSTs that have numerous capabilities that others do not. For example, Ableton's Sampler is far better than FL Studio's Direct Wave. DAWs all have their own advantages and disadvantages -- but it all comes down to how experienced the user is in tandem with how comfortable they are with the tools provided to them.


[✖] Play a live show. | [✖] Sell music.
[✔] Sound design for games. | [✔] Produce an OST for film. | [✔] Get creepy fans. | [✔] Get awesome fans.
Moving up the ladder.

Sovarozum
Sovarozum
  • Member since: Aug. 3, 2014
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 02
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-23 13:20:35 Reply

There's a challenge like this on KVR Audio, called the 'One Synth Challenge'it'd be cool to see something like that start up here :D

At 8/23/14 12:39 PM, Troisnyx wrote: I'm beginning my judging for the Underdogs tonight.

Also, those of you recommending a competition where you can only use freebies: I am ALL for that. I do the same myself, but:

There has to be a high degree of accountability and more proof than just a list, stating what VSTs everyone uses. A screenshot, perhaps. Those who are judging will have to watch like a hawk for any paid VST that crops up.........

Hardcore participants may take it one step further and only use DAW defaults, if they so wish.

Music Composer & Sound Designer
Website | BandCamp
SoundCloud | YouTube

Possibly
Possibly
  • Member since: Apr. 28, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 04
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-23 13:25:08 Reply

At 8/23/14 12:39 PM, Troisnyx wrote: I'm beginning my judging for the Underdogs tonight.

Also, those of you recommending a competition where you can only use freebies: I am ALL for that. I do the same myself, but:

There has to be a high degree of accountability and more proof than just a list, stating what VSTs everyone uses. A screenshot, perhaps. Those who are judging will have to watch like a hawk for any paid VST that crops up.........

Hardcore participants may take it one step further and only use DAW defaults, if they so wish.

You could do that - there's something to be said for having absolute rules that everyone can stick to, and it does seem like the majority do prefer a lot of clarification/clarity when it comes to these things.

In ideal world though, I do like the idea of a competition where people get into the spirit of it. It might be self-policing to a point I suppose, as people listen to other people's tracks and might spot something that should not be there. I would like to think that most people would stick to a vague guideline of 'free vst' or 'DAW only' or similar though.

The worst that could happen is that someone 'cheats' and does well/wins - and to be honest, that wouldn't bother me that much as it would be fairly lame behaviour, but wouldn't necessarily detract from the fun of making your own thing for the competition.

Presumably the person who had snuck in their Omnisphere synth or whatever would be found out at some point, and then everyone would point at them.

Possibly
Possibly
  • Member since: Apr. 28, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 04
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-23 13:33:00 Reply

Then you could make the argument that some DAWs have native VSTs that have numerous capabilities that others do not. For example, Ableton's Sampler is far better than FL Studio's Direct Wave. DAWs all have their own advantages and disadvantages -- but it all comes down to how experienced the user is in tandem with how comfortable they are with the tools provided to them.

True - or if it became an issue that concerned people, you could split into various groups like in this competition, and have your FL vs other FL users and likewise Ableton vs Ableton users and so on.

I personally wouldn't be too bothered about somebody having something in their DAW that's better than my version or vice versa. As you say, experience of the tools counts for a great deal. Not saying I'm fantastic by any means. I can make great tools sound shitty along with the best of them, and shitty things sound...well, not quite so shitty on a good day.

8-bitheroes
8-bitheroes
  • Member since: Jul. 14, 2013
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 05
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-23 17:43:59 Reply

Good luck to all!


Check out my EP ''Joystick Junkie''

BBS Signature
AnalogByNature
AnalogByNature
  • Member since: Feb. 27, 2013
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 13
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-23 21:19:37 Reply

We've taken the liberty of liking/hearting everyone participating within the NGAUC this year, as have a few of the other participants.
We are all best internet brother friends now, guys.
Tattoos soon....


Free albums every month! Use our stuff in your stuff! Contact us if you need music, voice over, or artwork for your submissions! Our Profile and here's Our Song Library

Sundans
Sundans
  • Member since: Aug. 20, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 05
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 00:35:52 Reply

At 8/23/14 01:33 PM, Possibly wrote:
Then you could make the argument that some DAWs have native VSTs that have numerous capabilities that others do not. For example, Ableton's Sampler is far better than FL Studio's Direct Wave. DAWs all have their own advantages and disadvantages -- but it all comes down to how experienced the user is in tandem with how comfortable they are with the tools provided to them.
True - or if it became an issue that concerned people, you could split into various groups like in this competition, and have your FL vs other FL users and likewise Ableton vs Ableton users and so on.

I personally wouldn't be too bothered about somebody having something in their DAW that's better than my version or vice versa. As you say, experience of the tools counts for a great deal. Not saying I'm fantastic by any means. I can make great tools sound shitty along with the best of them, and shitty things sound...well, not quite so shitty on a good day.

I wouldn't be bother either. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be bothered if someone used East West Symphonic orchestra against my meager Kontakt 5 library. I just find the idea of feeling upset because somebody has a "better" VST a bit silly. Take for example a fairly popular uprising trio, Audeka. Their primary synths? 3xOsc, a minimalist synth, and Harmor, a resampler. Or how about the quest so many people go on to get Sylenth1 or FM8 when, if they took the time to learn synthesis, could easily create the sounds they wanted in stock synths like Sytrus, Harmor, GMS, and Poizone.

In other words -- I get what you are saying and it might seem fair to you. To me, however, I don't think it is necessary. I do, however, wish you luck in the competition here. As a matter of fact, I wish all of you guys luck. A lot of these tracks are simply amazing!


[✖] Play a live show. | [✖] Sell music.
[✔] Sound design for games. | [✔] Produce an OST for film. | [✔] Get creepy fans. | [✔] Get awesome fans.
Moving up the ladder.

Troisnyx
Troisnyx
  • Member since: Jun. 26, 2011
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 17
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 02:07:46 Reply

At 8/23/14 12:40 PM, Sundans wrote: Then you could make the argument that some DAWs have native VSTs that have numerous capabilities that others do not. For example, Ableton's Sampler is far better than FL Studio's Direct Wave. DAWs all have their own advantages and disadvantages -- but it all comes down to how experienced the user is in tandem with how comfortable they are with the tools provided to them.

Perhaps it may be, but for testing purposes, I made one song almost completely with FL defaults. (Transformation, and it's under my 2013 works.) Now granted, I'd have to take off the Soundfont Player for future pieces. Still: DirectWave may not be the best, but twiddling around with it will give you its uses. Any seasoned musician would think that request to separate users by DAW is unnecessary. And for us FL users, it's a much appreciated challenge!

Sundans
Sundans
  • Member since: Aug. 20, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 05
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 02:16:06 Reply

At 8/24/14 02:07 AM, Troisnyx wrote: Perhaps it may be, but for testing purposes, I made one song almost completely with FL defaults. (Transformation, and it's under my 2013 works.) Now granted, I'd have to take off the Soundfont Player for future pieces. Still: DirectWave may not be the best, but twiddling around with it will give you its uses. Any seasoned musician would think that request to separate users by DAW is unnecessary. And for us FL users, it's a much appreciated challenge!

You are right -- Direct Wave is a pretty nice VST for acoustic resampling. It's got limited harmonic capabilities too, which few resamplers have. On the other hand, in terms of bass resampling -- which is what I've used it for a few times -- I have to say that the Ableton Sampler is, overall, much better in terms of audio manipulation capabilities. It has a few more harmonic options, more pitch and effect options and is, over all, much more integrated with Ableton's systems.

But, as I've said in my previous posts, it all comes down to the knowledge and willingness the user possesses -- and I certainly recommend experimenting with Direct Wave, and any other synthesizer to get the sounds you want.


[✖] Play a live show. | [✖] Sell music.
[✔] Sound design for games. | [✔] Produce an OST for film. | [✔] Get creepy fans. | [✔] Get awesome fans.
Moving up the ladder.

MetalRenard
MetalRenard
  • Member since: Sep. 19, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 09
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 06:55:14 Reply

I do NOT like the idea of this "all use the same sounds" challenge. For one you're forgetting many of use do acoustic recordings (vocals etc) and even metal (like me) and that wouldn't work for us at all.
Second I came FROM the realm of having nothing, worked my arse off for years to get out of it, hell it's how I learnt to squeeze every last bit of juice out of every crappy plugin I could back in the day. Now I have good stuff though and I know that challenging myself in the past has made me better but I don't want to go back to having limits on my creativity when now, I have hardly any beyond my own ability to imagine.


Rocker, Composer and World Ambassador for Foxes! I'm on Youtube. Veteran REAPER user. Click below for the song that got me 2nd place. :)

BBS Signature
Voltus
Voltus
  • Member since: Jul. 10, 2013
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 04
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 08:40:12 Reply

At 8/24/14 06:55 AM, MetalRenard wrote: I do NOT like the idea of this "all use the same sounds" challenge. For one you're forgetting many of use do acoustic recordings (vocals etc) and even metal (like me) and that wouldn't work for us at all.
Second I came FROM the realm of having nothing, worked my arse off for years to get out of it, hell it's how I learnt to squeeze every last bit of juice out of every crappy plugin I could back in the day. Now I have good stuff though and I know that challenging myself in the past has made me better but I don't want to go back to having limits on my creativity when now, I have hardly any beyond my own ability to imagine.

Then such a contest might just not be something for you specifically, I really get your point but on here are a lot of people who (correct me if i'm wrong) make their music exclusively electronically. If we could arrange a small one round competition where you're only allowed to use one or two synths it might be really cool even just for a one off or something. I mean you could then again do a competition where you're just allowed to record stuff that you have in your room (not your instruments or when you use them dont use them in the way they are intended to e.g. use your guitar corupus as a drum or something). We would just need to be creative people :D


Voltus' Soundcloud
Newest Track: Anticipate
If you want me to Review one of your pieces, just send me a PM ;)

MetalRenard
MetalRenard
  • Member since: Sep. 19, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 09
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 08:42:06 Reply

At 8/24/14 08:40 AM, Voltus wrote: Then such a contest might just not be something for you specifically, I really get your point but on here are a lot of people who (correct me if i'm wrong) make their music exclusively electronically. If we could arrange a small one round competition where you're only allowed to use one or two synths it might be really cool even just for a one off or something. I mean you could then again do a competition where you're just allowed to record stuff that you have in your room (not your instruments or when you use them dont use them in the way they are intended to e.g. use your guitar corupus as a drum or something). We would just need to be creative people :D

Yeah sure, do that, but not in this competition where the idea is to include everyone. That's my point, not that I hate the idea in of itself, just don't try it out now. Wrong place and time.


Rocker, Composer and World Ambassador for Foxes! I'm on Youtube. Veteran REAPER user. Click below for the song that got me 2nd place. :)

BBS Signature
Voltus
Voltus
  • Member since: Jul. 10, 2013
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 04
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 08:43:55 Reply

At 8/24/14 08:42 AM, MetalRenard wrote:

Yeah sure, do that, but not in this competition where the idea is to include everyone. That's my point, not that I hate the idea in of itself, just don't try it out now. Wrong place and time.

oh yeah definitely here this would be awful :D I was talking about making a new competition for that kind of stuff.


Voltus' Soundcloud
Newest Track: Anticipate
If you want me to Review one of your pieces, just send me a PM ;)

bassfiddlejones
bassfiddlejones
  • Member since: Nov. 5, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 12
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 09:45:24 Reply

Looking forward to some judgement lasers @johnfn

TaintedLogic
TaintedLogic
  • Member since: Aug. 16, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 13
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 10:25:30 Reply

At 8/24/14 09:45 AM, bassfiddlejones wrote: Looking forward to some judgement lasers @johnfn

Wait...Johnfn told you we had judgment lasers? >_< Dammit, now the Russians are going to find out, too!


"Knowledge is freedom; guilt is knowledge; freedom is guilt." --- "I hate logic; it must die." --- Formerly "TheDoor6"

BBS Signature
Possibly
Possibly
  • Member since: Apr. 28, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 04
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 11:08:09 Reply


Yeah sure, do that, but not in this competition where the idea is to include everyone. That's my point, not that I hate the idea in of itself, just don't try it out now. Wrong place and time.

Oh yeah - sorry, I was talking about it as a potential thing to be done in the future, not as part of the current competition.

Voltus
Voltus
  • Member since: Jul. 10, 2013
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 04
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 11:41:47 Reply

At 8/24/14 11:08 AM, Possibly wrote:

Yeah sure, do that, but not in this competition where the idea is to include everyone. That's my point, not that I hate the idea in of itself, just don't try it out now. Wrong place and time.
Oh yeah - sorry, I was talking about it as a potential thing to be done in the future, not as part of the current competition.

Well, we have a drought in competitions here in the audio forum so I'd be all up for it! ^^


Voltus' Soundcloud
Newest Track: Anticipate
If you want me to Review one of your pieces, just send me a PM ;)

KatMaestro
KatMaestro
  • Member since: Dec. 9, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 10
Blank Slate
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 11:57:55 Reply

@Possibly

I can see the cloud of confusion in here. To be honest, everybody has good points and I think everyone is right.

My opinion is, sample quality doesn't matter, it's matter on how you use it. @Troisnyx, won NGADM with free Soundfonts and her vocal. If you do not have the skills then even with the world's best VSTi, you still cannot harness the power.

MetalRenard
MetalRenard
  • Member since: Sep. 19, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 09
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 13:53:43 Reply

And to be honest, even as a judge for the NGADM I can say I don't knock off points if someone has a cheap soundfont sound so long as they make an effort to mix it well. We credit skill, not tools.


Rocker, Composer and World Ambassador for Foxes! I'm on Youtube. Veteran REAPER user. Click below for the song that got me 2nd place. :)

BBS Signature
larrynachos
larrynachos
  • Member since: Mar. 20, 2013
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 23
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 15:59:05 Reply

At 8/24/14 11:57 AM, KatMaestro wrote: My opinion is, sample quality doesn't matter, it's matter on how you use it. If you do not have the skills then even with the world's best VSTi, you still cannot harness the power.

I second this opinion.

johnfn
johnfn
  • Member since: Aug. 16, 2003
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 20
Blank Slate
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 16:21:14 Reply

At 8/24/14 09:45 AM, bassfiddlejones wrote: Looking forward to some judgement lasers @johnfn

Revenge... REVENGE!!!

I'm not sure what I'm getting revenge for...

Good artists copy. Great artists get banned from the Audio Portal.

BBS Signature
SkyeWint
SkyeWint
  • Member since: Feb. 2, 2011
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 07
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 17:23:55 Reply

Hey, uh...

If you want a contest which is limited in terms of instruments or something, there's a contest I'm doing in winter which might fit that. Three rounds, one challenge and one theme per round, composing to the theme within the challenge.

Oh, and the judges are all the people who submit.


Stuff.

My AIM piece is found if you clicky the image.

BBS Signature
DivoFST
DivoFST
  • Member since: Jun. 25, 2010
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 16
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-24 18:25:50 Reply

At 8/24/14 05:23 PM, SkyeWint wrote: Hey, uh...

If you want a contest which is limited in terms of instruments or something, there's a contest I'm doing in winter which might fit that. Three rounds, one challenge and one theme per round, composing to the theme within the challenge.

Oh, and the judges are all the people who submit.

And it is particularly awesome :D


No mather how good you are sometime, somewhere, somehow...
Someone will blow your mind and make feel a beginner again..

BBS Signature
Troisnyx
Troisnyx
  • Member since: Jun. 26, 2011
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 17
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-25 10:59:51 Reply

The Underdogs should have all received my judging lasers by now. I did me best.

Apparently my own judging laser is one that would deplete my HP with every single use.
Troisnyx
Troisnyx
  • Member since: Jun. 26, 2011
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 17
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-25 11:00:52 Reply

At 8/24/14 05:23 PM, SkyeWint wrote:
If you want a contest which is limited in terms of instruments or something, there's a contest I'm doing in winter which might fit that. Three rounds, one challenge and one theme per round, composing to the theme within the challenge.

Wait a second...... you're now set on doing that for the NGMT???

8-bitheroes
8-bitheroes
  • Member since: Jul. 14, 2013
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 05
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-25 11:59:52 Reply

*drum roll*


Check out my EP ''Joystick Junkie''

BBS Signature
KatMaestro
KatMaestro
  • Member since: Dec. 9, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 10
Blank Slate
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-25 12:06:44 Reply

At 8/25/14 11:59 AM, 8-bitheroes wrote: *drum roll*

*still rolling*

SkyeWint
SkyeWint
  • Member since: Feb. 2, 2011
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 07
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-25 12:49:04 Reply

At 8/25/14 11:00 AM, Troisnyx wrote:
At 8/24/14 05:23 PM, SkyeWint wrote:
If you want a contest which is limited in terms of instruments or something, there's a contest I'm doing in winter which might fit that. Three rounds, one challenge and one theme per round, composing to the theme within the challenge.
Wait a second...... you're now set on doing that for the NGMT???

One of the rounds is definitely going to be the soundfont only challenge. Another will be only allowing percussive instruments. For synths, that means a quick decay and no sustain. For acoustic instruments, that means no strings, horns, woodwinds, etc. And no heavy reverb, stretching, retriggering, etc, in order to significantly lengthen decay time. It's a requirement slightly difficult to double-check, like the "only 4 instruments" one, but also like that one, it shouldn't be difficult to keep to if you have common sense.


Stuff.

My AIM piece is found if you clicky the image.

BBS Signature
TaintedLogic
TaintedLogic
  • Member since: Aug. 16, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 13
Musician
Response to Ofcl N.g.a.u.c Knock-out Rd. Thread 2014-08-25 12:56:16 Reply

@8-bitheroes
@KatMaestro

You started the drum roll WAY too early, my friends. ;P Right now, it's looking like the results will be out no earlier than 8:00 p.m. EST.


"Knowledge is freedom; guilt is knowledge; freedom is guilt." --- "I hate logic; it must die." --- Formerly "TheDoor6"

BBS Signature