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Land of the free my ass.

that's not "slave labour" at all
they are repaying their debt to society

At 8/9/14 01:11 AM, yurgenburgen wrote: that's not "slave labour" at all
they are repaying their debt to society

That would be true if the justice system werent such a clusterfuck.

At 8/9/14 01:13 AM, TeslaShockwave wrote: That would be true if the justice system werent such a clusterfuck.

Are you going to elaborate?

Of course. It's called volunteering.

At 8/9/14 01:16 AM, koopahermit wrote: Of course. It's called volunteering.

Volunteering involuntarily?

(I know nothing of prison)

I wouldn't call it 'slave' labor because it's not like they are being held against their will to make those things. They're in prison for a reason. Besides, making products probably alleviates the boredom of being locked up in a prison. They'd probably be bitching if they didn't have stuff to make. It also teaches prisoners different skills while they are making such products.

At 8/9/14 01:07 AM, TeslaShockwave wrote: Land of the free my ass.

Honestly if I were in prison for years and years I'd kill to be able to occupy my time with labor. Just getting to leave my cell and do things would be amazing.

The sweat shop situation has not hit pandemic numbers, but we're getting pretty close.

Illegal immigrants are often victims of exploitation. If you've ever been jacked off by an Asian girl in a massage parlor you've likely contributed to slavery in the United States.

At 8/9/14 02:49 AM, Me-Patch wrote: If you've ever been jacked off by an Asian girl in a massage parlor you've likely contributed to slavery in the United States.

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OH.

The problem exists everywhere in the world, and is much more fundamental and pervasive than you might think.
It is very common for "junior analysts" to work extremely long hours, sometimes 20+ hours a day. In this comnercial sector, saying up for 3 days is part of the culture. The longer you work, the better you are, just to quote an example.

Unless there are regulations to prohibit it, like some part of Europe "slaves labor" will always be a problem.

At 8/9/14 02:52 AM, Voltage wrote: ... ... ...
OH.

Wishy washies. More common than you might think. It's not institutionalized slavery or anything, but the fact that places like these are tolerated despite being illegal is sickening. There is a disturbing lack of recognition of the human rights of illegal immigrants in this country.

At 8/9/14 03:02 AM, Me-Patch wrote: There is a disturbing lack of recognition of the human rights of illegal immigrants in this country.

It can be avoided by people wanting in to America simply filling out some paper work.

I don't have a problem with immigration at all, it's illegal immigration that I want to stop. If someone wants to come to America then I want them to be here, but if they're living here completely undocumented then I start to have a problem with it.

At 8/9/14 03:27 AM, Xenomit wrote: If someone wants to come to America then I want them to be here, but if they're living here completely undocumented then I start to have a problem with it.

It's not a problem that I'm going to pretend to have a solution for. I just dislike seeing the exploitation of my fellow man, regardless of their documentation status.

At 8/9/14 02:52 AM, Voltage wrote: ... ... ...
OH.

I'm starting to think that you were jokingly implying that you had been jacked off by an Asian girl in a massage parlor, and that I had reacted seriously like an idiot who doesn't understand irony. I apologize if that's the case. I need to go to bed. Also, you're right that sweat shops are an abomination as well.

Although, apparently, penal labor is considered slavery, I wouldn't call that. Not only because I consider it as some kind of "repaying debt to society" as someone put it, regardless if he was sarcastic or not, but also because naming that slavery is like ignoring the actual and serious slavery going on.

Today's punishments are mainly enslavement, confiscation of goods or death. Just because government does it to people who don't obey it's laws it doesn't mean it's somehow different from what illegal slavers are doing in general. Or course, someone might say "He made a crime, he must pay by working", but that still doesn't change the fact that to force that someone to work, he has to be enslaved or threatened with enslavement in the first place. Despite what it is, some people like to lick their own balls and justify it. "It's for the good", "It's getter than murdering him/her". Well, sure, one might believe so, but keeping a facility designed to enslave convicts and keep them alive, so they can be enslaved longer costs, and the money for it is going from society's pockets. The cost of upkeeping convicts is a price of stupidity. But that's okay, the world has been always like that; stupid must pay more.

I actually would not be surprised if prisoner labor isn't a major contributing factor for why we have such an absurdly high percentage of our population behind bars. Besides that, Prison doesn't even rehabilitate that well. Turns out robbing someone of years of experience in society, forcing them live with other criminals, and making them almost unhirable in the future just makes a person more likely to return to a life of crime.

The United States places so many people in its shitty prison system just so it can get a bunch of free labour. Not to mention some of the money the private prisons make goes to bribe more politicians to continue the system.

At 8/9/14 06:04 AM, Letiger wrote: The United States places so many people in its shitty prison system just so it can get a bunch of free labour. Not to mention some of the money the private prisons make goes to bribe more politicians to continue the system.

it actually also goes to corporation expenses - see the song I posted in a few posts above on how Applebees and American prisons are tied together

Inmates made Game Boy packaging and circuit boards? What the hell? Did these companies have nobody to put their items in a package so they have inmates to do it?

At 8/9/14 09:32 AM, fieldertiger wrote: Inmates made Game Boy packaging and circuit boards? What the hell? Did these companies have nobody to put their items in a package so they have inmates to do it?

Well, the Americans pay taxes for them, so that's the least they can do.

At 8/9/14 09:34 AM, Amaranthus wrote:

At 8/9/14 09:32 AM, fieldertiger wrote: Inmates made Game Boy packaging and circuit boards? What the hell? Did these companies have nobody to put their items in a package so they have inmates to do it?

Well, the Americans pay taxes for them, so that's the least they can do.

So some of the taxes go to prison INMATES? Wow. This country's government is so fucked up. Does any other country do this?

At 8/9/14 09:40 AM, WahyahRanger wrote: WiFi, decent food

lol

it would be funny if a slave purposely sabotaged something he was making.

At 8/9/14 01:11 AM, yurgenburgen wrote: that's not "slave labour" at all
they are repaying their debt to society

they are paying it to big business, not society.