immigrant children in the US

[ale359]

the title says what it is we need to figure out what to do with them

[Camarohusky]

Matriculate them. Why not? Make them Americans. It's not like they'll be taking anyone's jobs at this age.

The only rational difficulty is trying to find housing and support for them. Do we try to enlist volunteer families? Do we force their closest kin, should they have any, to take care of them? Do we create big orphanage style housing facilities?

[MentalMyles]

Its not that they would be taking anyone's job but they will be taking up living space. Living space America would rather be saving for people who are willing to go through immigration the official way with promising careers and years of BS those people have to put up with in order to move over there and make a contribution....and the money they have to waste on pointless interviews to the point where most people would be put off from moving to America altogether.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

send them back its not that difficult, there here illegally send them bakc. load them into a truck take them over the border take them to a organization or who ever would take them and be done with it. this is a legal problem and people are trying to turn it into some moral conundrum of "think of the children".

[Warforger]

At 8/6/14 04:12 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: send them back its not that difficult, there here illegally send them bakc. load them into a truck take them over the border take them to a organization or who ever would take them and be done with it. this is a legal problem and people are trying to turn it into some moral conundrum of "think of the children".

The issue arises when children are born in the US to illegal immigrants, and have been there for 10 years. They don't know the language of the country of their parents origin nor do they have anywhere to start from in that country. This was part of the purpose of the DREAM act, since alot of these people are productive members of society who contribute to the US economy and so there isn't much reason to send them back other than to enforce the flawed immigration system.

The reason you can't exactly just kick people out is because they may not have anywhere to go. It's like arguing that Russians should be kicked out of Ukraine.

[ChloeFlora]

At 8/6/14 11:11 AM, ale359 wrote: the title says what it is we need to figure out what to do with them

Sorry but we can't figure it out. Cause the politicians have already made their choice. Call me a pessimist but soon they'll have more rights then WASPs. Cause they already have less rights then Africans and homosexuals

[SadisticMonkey]

At 8/6/14 12:04 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Matriculate them. Why not? Make them Americans. It's not like they'll be taking anyone's jobs at this age.

Agreed. America has unlimited money and can provide housing, food, clothing, education and healthcare to everyone in the world.

[Camarohusky]

At 8/10/14 04:36 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Agreed. America has unlimited money and can provide housing, food, clothing, education and healthcare to everyone in the world.

We can easily handle 50,000 more children. I mean, if we were having 50,000 new white babies, you wouldn't blink an eye. Make them brown and foreign and you act like a demon being doused with holy water.

[Korriken]

At 8/10/14 09:58 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

We can easily handle 50,000 more children. I mean, if we were having 50,000 new white babies, you wouldn't blink an eye. Make them brown and foreign and you act like a demon being doused with holy water.

race card much?

Ok we can handle 50,000 children. We let them in, we make them citizens. Human smugglers will capitalize on this and advertise this golden opportunity for a better life for children, since the USA is taking in any child found on the border. More families will scrape up whatever money they can and offer it to the human smugglers to smuggle their children into the USA.

50,000 this year, 50,000 next year... 8 more years and we'll have 500,000 children. The number per year may increase as the news spreads that children will not be turned back, but made into American citizens.

It's a sticky situation. Most people want a better life for their children, especially when the parents themselves grew up in the abject poverty that they're raising their children in.

Personally, I'd say annex the countries wanting to flood our borders with children, send in the military to destroy the drug cartels, and make them all citizens.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 8/10/14 11:51 AM, Korriken wrote: Ok we can handle 50,000 children. We let them in, we make them citizens. Human smugglers will capitalize on this and advertise this golden opportunity for a better life for children, since the USA is taking in any child found on the border.

lol what are you on? they already do!

[Korriken]

At 8/10/14 12:54 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

lol what are you on? they already do!

True. Let me rephrase. If we allowed any one under the age of 18 to become a citizen just by stepping across the border, child busing businesses will spring up, offering children a ride to the border. They may be coming by the busload now. Just wait until America's position is "Send them, we'll take care of them and offer them a better life."

We'll be seeing children show up by the bus caravan.

[aviewaskewed]

I love how people are trying to turn a complex issue into a simple one and I love how some are trumping the rights of citizens while forgetting what creates this issue is that these children technically ARE citizens because they were born on American soil. When that happens, one is a natural born citizen. The ISSUE is when this occurs and their parents are here illegally. If people are going to talk about the issue, let's at least understand the basic problem being discussed.

[SadisticMonkey]

At 8/10/14 09:58 AM, Camarohusky wrote: We can easily handle 50,000 more children.

What is this based on? The national debt is approaching $18 trillion and the government will not be able to cover spending on existing social programs over the coming decades.

If the government can feed, clothe, house, educate and provide healthcare to tens of thousands of foreigners, what can't it spend money on? Anything?

And I mean, it's not like it will stop at 50,000. The number is rising and rising, and the more receptive the government to them, the more will come.

I mean, if we were having 50,000 new white babies, you wouldn't blink an eye. Make them brown and foreign and you act like a demon being doused with holy water.

Look at that, a stupid liberal hysterically straw-manning over race. What's new. I literally joked about not being about to pay for everything. Where the fuck did you get ""act like a demon being doused with holy water" from?

If people were having white babies and the parents were raising and supporting the kids themselves then it wouldn't be an issue.

If 50,000 poor white kids entered illegally and expected the government (read: the taxpayer) to pay for everything for them, then of course I'd be opposed to it.

[Newgaf]

At 8/6/14 04:12 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: send them back its not that difficult, there here illegally send them bakc. load them into a truck take them over the border take them to a organization or who ever would take them and be done with it. this is a legal problem and people are trying to turn it into some moral conundrum of "think of the children".

Use grammar.

And yeah, just take them to an organization that exists only in your head, then brush it off as though there's no ethical challenge because you're dispassionate, overprivileged, and mentally lazy.

Sounds fair.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 8/11/14 11:58 AM, Newgaf wrote: And yeah, just take them to an organization that exists only in your head, then brush it off as though there's no ethical challenge because you're dispassionate, overprivileged, and mentally lazy.

Sounds fair.

The Sinola Cartel openly advertises trafficking saying they, (we the US) will let your children stay even if they're illegal. its black and white they're here illegally they should be deported back to they're country of origin. its not being overprivileged or laziness its black and white law.

[Newgaf]

At 8/11/14 02:43 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: its black and white they're here illegally they should be deported back to they're country of origin. its not being overprivileged or laziness its black and white law.

True. Well here's what I think happened: most immigrants from south of the United States vote Democrat. A Democrat was in power when things were at their worst. So to (part of) the U.S. Government this is officially not a problem.

But what suffers is America's image. Why can't we take care of our immigrants anymore? Isn't this the future? Aren't we the richest country in the world?

I'd rather us work out our shit than instantly assume that none of these people have any value.

[Feoric]

At 8/6/14 04:12 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: send them back its not that difficult, there here illegally send them bakc. load them into a truck take them over the border take them to a organization or who ever would take them and be done with it. this is a legal problem and people are trying to turn it into some moral conundrum of "think of the children".

You're not actually solving the problem by doing this, though. You're merely treating a symptom directly caused by uncorrected deep structural flaws within the US' current immigration policies. Not only do we have a ton of aliens with visas who slip through the cracks, we have a massive backlog in green card processing for legal aliens/relatives of US citizens stretching back in time over 20 years ago in some cases. The USCIS has been underfunded and understaffed for years now, which makes it even more of a horror show for someone to legally navigate through the Byzantine bureaucracy which costs many thousands of dollars to complete. Even after all that you're still on a multi-year waiting list. It really shouldn't come as a surprise that we have an illegal immigration problem.

At 8/11/14 05:57 PM, Newgaf wrote: True. Well here's what I think happened: most immigrants from south of the United States vote Democrat. A Democrat was in power when things were at their worst. So to (part of) the U.S. Government this is officially not a problem.

The GOP sees this as a problem; the Democrats see this as an opportunity. That's the difference. There's only one party that is willing to seriously discuss progressive immigration reform. There isn't a conspiracy. If the GOP was spearheading the immigration reform talks we'd have a lot more Republican Latinos.

[LazyDrunk]

I'm just curious as to why this wasn't an issue when the dems had a literal stranglehold on the house, senate and executive.

Oh yeah. Healthcare.

You've gotta have the health system in place to bankfuck the country before you let everyone and their 5th uncle rape it for all it's worth. Blame the republicans though, because it's easier than circumnavigating the twisted truth.

[Feoric]

As we discuss the pitfalls of the American imigration system, let us remember who the real victims here are: Republicans.

[SadisticMonkey]

At 8/11/14 06:33 PM, Feoric wrote: If the GOP was spearheading the immigration reform talks we'd have a lot more Republican Latinos.

hahah what a load of shit that is

[ChloeFlora]

At 8/6/14 11:11 AM, ale359 wrote: the title says what it is we need to figure out what to do with them

We have to do something not with immigrant children, cause they're taken for refugees, and have less rights. But with their families who settle in the US illegaly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5SpdZEQhk

[Warforger]

At 8/11/14 06:54 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: I'm just curious as to why this wasn't an issue when the dems had a literal stranglehold on the house, senate and executive.

Oh yeah. Healthcare.

You've gotta have the health system in place to bankfuck the country before you let everyone and their 5th uncle rape it for all it's worth. Blame the republicans though, because it's easier than circumnavigating the twisted truth.

Well you've got a point there because the Republicans have been very cooperative as long as they get something out of it. The Democrats propose immigration legislation but the Republicans state that they don't trust Obama to enforce it much less the current laws (because deporting more illegal immigrants than Bush is apparently not enforcing the law), so the Democrats say that they'll agree to draft a law that goes into effect after Obama leaves the White House, to which the Republicans responded by saying that they don't trust the President to enforce the laws when he's no longer in office. Which is a good point, because once he's out of the Presidency and whoever is President he legally can't enforce them.

But no the Republicans have no blame in this it's all Obama's fault.

Also by the way your post is a logical fallacy. First off you say it's not the GOP's fault because the Democrats didn't pass immigration legislation when they had control of the government, so therefore they should expect the GOP to pass absolutely nothing and secondly it's literally irrelevant what happened in 2009-2011 on an immigration debate in 2014.

[LazyDrunk]

At 8/12/14 02:18 PM, Warforger wrote:

At 8/11/14 06:54 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: I'm just curious as to why this wasn't an issue when the dems had a literal stranglehold on the house, senate and executive.

Oh yeah. Healthcare.

You've gotta have the health system in place to bankfuck the country before you let everyone and their 5th uncle rape it for all it's worth. Blame the republicans though, because it's easier than circumnavigating the twisted truth.

Well you've got a point there because the Republicans have been very cooperative as long as they get something out of it.

You've got history wrong.

The Democrats propose immigration legislation but the Republicans state that they don't trust Obama to enforce it much less the current laws (because deporting more illegal immigrants than Bush is apparently not enforcing the law), so the Democrats say that they'll agree to draft a law that goes into effect after Obama leaves the White House, to which the Republicans responded by saying that they don't trust the President to enforce the laws when he's no longer in office.

That comes from the administration suing Arizona. Are you even aware of what's going on?

Which is a good point, because once he's out of the Presidency and whoever is President he legally can't enforce them.

Do you think Obama will be happy with 2 terms?

Do you think existing constitutional barriers compel him not to pursue a 3rd or 4th term?

Why or why not?

But no the Republicans have no blame in this it's all Obama's fault.

There is no blame, because there is no issue. You apparently think the amnesty and open border policy is a good one, or else you wouldn't portray republicans as the bad guys when they really have the nation's best interests in mind.

It's a set-up, you fagholes wanting to pin immigration on republicans "not cooperating", because amnesty is a political failure, and the leaders of the dems know this. This is why they didn't ramrod it through 4 years ago and claim ultimate victory. Because it's not a victory.

Also by the way your post is a logical fallacy. First off you say it's not the GOP's fault because the Democrats didn't pass immigration legislation when they had control of the government, so therefore they should expect the GOP to pass absolutely nothing and secondly it's literally irrelevant what happened in 2009-2011 on an immigration debate in 2014.

You need reading comprehension skills.

[Feoric]

At 8/12/14 07:01 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: Do you think Obama will be happy with 2 terms?

Do you think existing constitutional barriers compel him not to pursue a 3rd or 4th term?

lol

[Warforger]

At 8/12/14 07:01 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: You've got history wrong.

History or sarcasm?

That comes from the administration suing Arizona. Are you even aware of what's going on?

Yes? What does that have to do anything.

Do you think Obama will be happy with 2 terms?

Do you think existing constitutional barriers compel him not to pursue a 3rd or 4th term?

Why or why not?

Of course it'll stop him, I know because I'm not a dumbass.

There is no blame, because there is no issue. You apparently think the amnesty and open border policy is a good one, or else you wouldn't portray republicans as the bad guys when they really have the nation's best interests in mind.

I'm not saying amnesty and the "open border" policy is a good one, Obama doesn't though seeing how he's been deporting more illegal immigrants than Bush.

It's a set-up, you fagholes wanting to pin immigration on republicans "not cooperating", because amnesty is a political failure, and the leaders of the dems know this. This is why they didn't ramrod it through 4 years ago and claim ultimate victory. Because it's not a victory.

Amnesty doesn't have anything to do with this, what it has to do with is the ideological-structural mess the GOP has gotten itself into. Eric Cantor lost his seat simply because he said that he would support immigration reform, do you seriously think that the GOP will work with any Democratic President on immigration given how their narrow base (narrowed because they gerry mander their districts!)?

You need reading comprehension skills.

Says the guy who doesn't read other people's posts.

[Feoric]

Just so we're all clear on the politics, Boehner pulled the immigration bill from the floor instead of having it be defeated back at the end of June while essentially giving up on the issue and refusing to vote on it this year. It's almost as if this issue isn't going to help them win votes in the midter- oh.

From the article:

"Boehner blamed the president’s executive orders for leading to the latest crisis on the border, “giving false hope to children and their families that if they enter the country illegally they will be allowed to stay."

Which is actually pretty funny when you consider the fact that not only has Obama ordered fewer executive orders than any other presidents in recent history, but also the fact that the House passed a resolution forcing Obama to solve the border crisis effectively by means of exeutive orders on top of issuing an official statement criticizing Obama for not using executive power to fix the border crisis a day after they voted to sue the president for issuing too many executive orders. Weird.

At 8/12/14 02:10 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: hahah what a load of shit that is

On second thought you're right, having your prominent elected officials referring to Mexican-America immigrants as rapists or saying they have calves the size of cantelopes because they're smuggling 75 pounds worth of marijuana in burlap sacks in the desert (lol) is definitely a winning strategy. The GOP outreach to Latino immigrants makes the party platform look extremely attractive and does not need to be changed.

[SadisticMonkey]

At 8/12/14 11:50 PM, Feoric wrote: The GOP outreach to Latino immigrants makes the party platform look extremely attractive and does not need to be changed.

If republicans try the pro-immigrant angle, guess what?

Democrats get license to be hyper-pro-immigrant and republican voters get pissed off.

R: "hey guys, guess what! We're letting you come to america now, yay!!!"
D: "yeah us too, plus free healthcare! yayyyyyyy!"

Mexicans: "Oh cool, democrats"

Do people like you not actually get this, or do you just hope that conservatives will be dumb enough to fall for it?

[Feoric]

You know what, see me in 2016 and let me know how your plan is working out for you.

[LazyDrunk]

At 8/15/14 10:45 AM, Feoric wrote: You know what, see me in 2016 and let me know how your plan is working out for you.

Check and mate.

[X-Gary-Gigax-X]

Every news report on this matter claims that illegal alien children who penetrate the border are escaping poverty or trying to find a better life in America in one way or another..

When you say that, you are automatically conceding moral, ethnic, political, cultural and economic superiority to the United States of America. The glorious communist paradise of Cuba isn't that great? Why aren't immigrant children going there instead of here?

Hrmm...