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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 3rd, 2014 @ 11:16 PM Reply

Shouldn't we be busy spreading this message everywhere?


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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 3rd, 2014 @ 11:19 PM Reply

At 8/3/14 01:22 PM, TomFulp wrote:

Hugely refreshing, optimistic and motivational to hear this rhetoric Tom, I love newgrounds and I want to see it prosper. As long as you guys keep on trucking I will always come back <3

I don't understand the mentality of animators who put all their eggs in one basket when it comes to promoting their content online. Even if you only get 5k views on ng and 40k on yt, why wouldn't you just use both sites and maximise you're exposure? Plus, as an animator I always found the feedback I get on newgrounds was a lot more constructive and helpful than feedback on any other site; whether it's youtube, vimeo, etc.

It sucks that newgrounds doesn't command the same financial clout that youtube does, but I guess it just means you have to be more resilient and bold in your actions. To some extent I feel like newgrounds may have rested on its laurels a little bit in the past few years, and not chased the lucrative mobile / app angle that has taken a lot of traffic from the site's golden days. In the end you can't expect much loyalty from the casual user since they will just gravitate towards the easiest / most intuitive method of enjoying their chosen content. I know it's not really my place to say, but why is there still not a newgrounds App?

As I said, I love newgrounds. And I resent the gentrification of the internet which is what youtube is doing to it right now. Walmart always closes down the smaller, interesting, niche stores that are community based and where the founder has a genuine empathy for their customers, and I feel like it would be such a shame if newgrounds were to close down in that same way :(

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 3rd, 2014 @ 11:23 PM Reply


Also, I know that feeling like you might have chased someone out. I've felt that before. Its a horrible feeling, but don't let that linger. We all make mistakes, some may be critical. If its something that itches at you, just forgive yourself if you haven't yet. :)

>that last bit
Gee, thanks mister!

I also agree with you when it comes to tweening. Don't blame the tool, etc. etc...

Keep doing what you do!

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 3rd, 2014 @ 11:27 PM Reply

At 8/3/14 10:26 PM, steph2568 wrote: I read somewhere that YouTube takes about 45% of a user's revenue if they partner with them.

And this from a company, that made most of it's money by promoting whoever pays the most money, just to be listed first in a webpage search. This is why I'll never make a YT or Google+ account; they're greedy and beyond redemption, despite their "Do no evil" "mission statement".

BTW, someone earlier in this thread had said this site doesn't seem conducive or appealing to women (maybe it's the orange-rust color scheme). What do you think, is NG okay for women, or are there still too many under 18 y/o males mucking up the works?


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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 3rd, 2014 @ 11:34 PM Reply

At 8/3/14 11:27 PM, VicariousE wrote: BTW, someone earlier in this thread had said this site doesn't seem conducive or appealing to women (maybe it's the orange-rust color scheme). What do you think, is NG okay for women, or are there still too many under 18 y/o males mucking up the works?

If you stay out of general forum and don't read the comments on movies, this website is a wonderful place for everyone.

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 3rd, 2014 @ 11:51 PM Reply


comments

This is what's wrong. I don't mean you're wrong, I just mean we need to push for constructive criticism.

I haven't reviewed in a while. Is the "this is not a comment" text still there?
If it is, it wouldn't hurt to make it bigger or more noticeable.

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 3rd, 2014 @ 11:53 PM Reply

I'm not an animator, but let me just say that I share the same sentiments about Newgrounds. This site and this site alone is what got me where I am today. It turned me from a 12-year-old under-performing Runescape addict with a dream into a 19-year-old avid musician with an established fanbase and an enormous circle of contacts/friends who range from musicians to animators to voice actors to artists to writers to programmers to singers.

I have no site to thank except Newgrounds for that. I don't think Newgrounds should be more popular than it is now because it's unfair that NG beat the Internet to everything and still isn't the next YouTube, but I think it should be more well-known because it has what a lot of other sites like YouTube don't have; a functioning community.

I don't know of anywhere else which groups different content producers together so effectively. Somewhere else if I wanted to find voice actors, animators, artists, programmers and musicians for a project, I'd need to visit a crapload of different sites only to find a bunch of uncreative freelancers who make stock content. On here creativity is encouraged and everyone is within an arm's reach, or to put it less metaphorically, a forum post away.

I actually got a taste of popularity on YouTube. One of my music tracks was used in a top-selling mobile game and now I'm getting an average of 8 new subscribers a day and hundreds of thousands of views. It feels great, but also meaningless. On here, if I got even an eighth of that popularity I'd be getting meaningful reviews with constructive feedback, my music used in games and movies and messages from content producers in other sections of the site creating more opportunities.

So yeah, point is, I have a crapload of respect for Newgrounds, and I hope it continues to prosper!


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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 12:17 AM Reply

At 8/3/14 11:27 PM, VicariousE wrote: BTW, someone earlier in this thread had said this site doesn't seem conducive or appealing to women (maybe it's the orange-rust color scheme). What do you think, is NG okay for women, or are there still too many under 18 y/o males mucking up the works?

I guess I could see why they said that, that the dark background and orange and black theme isn't "appealing" to females. I personally like it because its easier on the eyes to look at compared to a white background(way too bright), especially in the dark.

I've seen female animators/voice actors/etc. on here. I think it's more that animation is primarily a male-dominated field and appeals more to guys that it just looks like no girls use NG.


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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 12:23 AM Reply

I've known about Newgrounds for a long time. When I was younger, I would often come here to play the Flash games on the website (Divine Intervention was my favorite, by far), but I was never actually a member. At the time, I didn't even the grasp the concept of "Everything by Everyone" (how regular people were putting together all of the wonderful content that can be found here). I joined YouTube with the intention of making simple internet cartoons for people to enjoy. I didn't expect to make any amount of money off of my videos, not on YT, because of how difficult it is to keep up with the pace of "Let's Plays," vlogs and other live-action content, especially when all I wanted to produce were cartoons, which naturally take a large amount of time (if you want them to look good). I'll share this news around a bit and hope it brings in a few more supporters for NG. I absolutely love to make animation and want to see more of it in the future. I get much enjoyment out of this medium.

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 12:32 AM Reply

I think you should highlight the fact that Newgrounds allows a nice platform for recognition and revenue split for the various people in the production process, like VAs and testers. It also make it use and credit existing content, like music from others. No so on Youtube! On top of that, you can tweak things without having to reupload an entire video.

Newgrounds would be super bomb if it allowed embedded content, and were easier to share in general.

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 12:46 AM Reply

I always post the animation here for a week before I post on youtube. Some reason here I'm always more nervous how the viewers will receive the content. But in a good way. NewGrounds forever!!!

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 01:18 AM Reply

Youtube is mad overrated (for indy animation anyway). Unless you got somebody writing you checks to produce stuff, you're only making pennies until you reach a hundred million views/subscribers.

From my experience, NG pays way better than youtube.


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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 01:41 AM Reply

At 8/4/14 12:17 AM, steph2568 wrote: I've seen female animators/voice actors/etc. on here. I think it's more that animation is primarily a male-dominated field and appeals more to guys that it just looks like no girls use NG.

Thankfully, a lot of women are here and animate as well :) The world needs more women writing scripts! If @waffrus had submitted her games here 10 years ago, I don't think she'd get the kind of scores, she's been getting now; the internet itself is becoming more feminine.

At 8/3/14 11:34 PM, MSGhero wrote: If you stay out of general forum and don't read the comments on movies, this website is a wonderful place for everyone.

That was my feeling when I first joined up here. Now it seems a bit better!


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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 02:07 AM Reply

Its a bummer about Youtube being a jerk towards animators but I love how Newgrounds is more tailored specifically for animators which makes it easier to get noticed and get more views than on the ocean that is Youtube.

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 02:37 AM Reply

Watching YouTube take precedence for animators and other content creators over the past couple of years is easily one of the most difficult things I've ever had the displeasure of watching, and I've seen Howard the Duck.

Jokes aside, everybody on the damn planet needs to read this post; YouTube does not own us, and NewGrounds was, is, and will be a better platform, both for viewers and for content creators.

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 02:44 AM Reply

At 8/4/14 02:07 AM, TheJanitor9k wrote: being a jerk towards animators

I wouldn't say that. They just tailored the system for consistent sources of prolonged interest; film.
If non-NG animators are trying to make a living on YouTube, they're basically shooting themselves in the face.

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 03:18 AM Reply

Well iv posted a link to this post on every animation channel I'm subscribed to on youtube
They will either rally round newgrounds or not
Well at least I tried

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 04:19 AM Reply

I'm not sure what the implications of this are, but youtube is more permissive of what you upload in both good and bad ways. For instance, NG won't tolerate vlogs, which is great. But if I wanted to upload a trailer for a game I'm going to release next month, something I would get a warm reception for on youtube, I'd probably get chewed out for it here.


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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 04:26 AM Reply

I LOVE NEWGROUNDS

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 04:41 AM Reply

I use both multiple platforms to release my content and will ALWAYS use Newgrounds.

I tend to release to youtube first but the very next day release to Newgrounds. Being honest, I make a lot more from youtube than I do from Newgrounds so I would be daft if I didn't prioritise there.

I have indeed noticed the income going up here, so that's very positive. However, that said, I'd still release content here regardless. I will continue to do so.

I love Newgrounds, have done so for over a decade now - nothing will change that.

Good news about this vs Youtube, this is still a customer friendly and homely place. A place where if I have issues, I know they will be addressed. Youtube don't give a shit.

I love Newgrounds. Long may it live and thrive.

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 05:26 AM Reply

It's so honest what you say. Tom deserves the success way more than the greedy youtube bosses. Sadly I want to create stuff in german. But tom you have to relax. It's just life, don't take this too serious. It's not healthy and everything is allright, if you are nice (in your heart). Newgrounds is there and the people will come to appreciate it by hating greedy asses.
Over and out, hopefull I can produce something in future for you. I'm here since I'm a kid.

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 05:27 AM Reply

Never give up man, you're doing God's work.

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 05:30 AM Reply

You know what? I'm gonna advertise NG on my Youtube account. I want NG to live like it did in the past. I just hate how most people I follow has already forgotten this wonderfull place where all the creativity was made. Yes, youtube is a powerfull place, but if your're an independent animator/game developer, you can still upload your art pieces to NG, and explore the wonders trough the Games/Movies/Audio/Art portals.

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 05:32 AM Reply

At 8/3/14 07:29 PM, TheTownCrier wrote: I just left youtube, anybody got any tips for a starting newgrounds member

Watch/play the new (They should have a purple color) submissions in the portal, vote on them, and leave them reviews! Post on the forums as much as you can! Check out everything and try to make friends. The more involved you can be, the better!


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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 05:55 AM Reply

I always disable adblock before coming to newgrounds because i know people worked hard
on these games and animations and i feel like a dick taking away their revenue. However insignificant my single view is.


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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 06:08 AM Reply

Nice post Tom.

While it'd be great to see more animators post here rather than on Youtube, I'd also hate for it to be people just creating a low quality port, and adding little input to the community other than just posting the video with comments like "please like/subscribe/follow my youtube/twitter/horsepornnetwork account" - Newgrounds is a community in itself, not just a billboard to try to get us to go elsewhere.

It'd also be great if people actually actively voted and reviewed positively on good stuff - right now that simply doesn't happen, as people just vote highly on everything. If you all start voting zero on all the demos, previews, 10 second pieces of crap and shitty rehashed shovelware so that the junk gets deleted, it's a lot easier for people to see the quality submissions, rather than looking for a diamond in a sea of shit. If you give a 5 to Parking Simulator 487, how can you give something better to an actual good submission?


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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 06:13 AM Reply

At 8/3/14 01:22 PM, TomFulp wrote: These past few days a number of prominent animators have come out about the bleak future of animation on YouTube. Commenters keep opining, "If only there was an alternative to YouTube!" I'm here to tell you, there IS an alternative to YouTube and you're looking at it.

Thanks for sharing this latest news, i like this post because it is informative and written beautifully
keep sharing :)

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 06:26 AM Reply

To be honest, I use Youtube as a redirect to my Newgrounds and Deviantart.
Infact, only reason I haven't bailed yet is so I can hopefully get a few more fans, and so I can partake in flamewars.


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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 07:11 AM Reply

youtube sux . it's just an alternative for TV mainstream media . but if you've noticed over the years , YT is slowly are turning into mainstream media as well . it's sad that some good artist that started here moved to YT . is it for the money ? idk !
maybe because they want to find better opportunities there ?... maybe, but for me , YT is slavery . i do have a youtube channel but my uploads there are "limited" . I'd still prefer NG to show my works .

for an animator , NG is still a best option to upload animation . my stay here in newgrounds , made me more exposure than all the other sites combined . it has an especific audience for artist . a big THANK YOU NG for allowing me to post my content here .

there is still some stuff needs to be added here tho . like having contents here be automatically viewed in some areas like mobile phones and social media sites as well . people are too lazy , or scared clicking a link and go to a page they don't recognize . they've imprisoned themselves in these so called "box" . NG as a whole just need exposure so if you can pull that off it would be much awesome

oh btw Tom ,... everytime i find a good stuff here , I share it in my facebook page . every NG user should too if they want to help this site .


spread the word!!!

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Response to YouTube and Animators Aug. 4th, 2014 @ 07:22 AM Reply

I sadly haven't made flash in a while, but I always upload them to Newgrounds and will continue to do so as well as posting the movie ones on youtube just becaquse it is another place I have stuff, so I like to have my stuff on both of them and maybe deviantart also, but definitely Newgrounds as a priority! I like having more control over my stuff on here and not have to worry about google being annoying and deciding what they want to do to my content.

I hope people do continue to post their stuff here as well as elsewhere, as I love watching stuff on Newgrounds personally, less irritating adverts and not having to have all the stupid recommended things on the side from "popular channels" with obnoxious thumbnails getting in the way.


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