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Does the Bible in Christianity, Jewish, Muslim and other religions teach Hate? I was talking to a Christian online that claimed he read the entire bible and it took him about 6-7 months to read and he says that being gay is a sin. I believe there's a chance God is real, however I wouldn't think our Creator would be so Hateful to judge others so harshly. To me it seems like the Bible was written by man, and not God if it says hateful things about people and their sexuality. Now do I believe someone is born straight or gay? In my opinion no, I feel everything in life is a choice. However if someone chooses to live a certain way, I don't think it's fair to tell them that their going to burn in Hell because deep down some people are not as accepting to others choices in life.

The most dangerous misinterpretation of the Bible is the impression that a sinner should be treated differently than a holy man during their earthly life.

At 7/25/14 01:32 AM, TheKlown wrote: Does the Bible in Christianity, Jewish, Muslim and other religions teach Hate?

"The Bible" is the holy book of Christianity. Judaism and Islam have their own holy books (Talmud, Koran).

The Bible makes numerous statements regarding hatred:
1 John 3:15 claims that hating someone is equal to murdering them.
Psalm 31:6 talks about hating those who believe in gods other than "the Lord".

Does the Bible directly instruct its readers to hate others? Probably not.
But it is definitely suggestive in what sorts of people you shouldn't like or associate with:

Leviticus 18:22: "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."
l John 2.22,23: "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist, that denieth the father and the son."

It is quite easy to see how one might be inclined to start hating others after reading the Bible and taking it as though it were fact.

It's because the christian bible is the indirect recordings of people by scholars who wrote down things based on word of mouth and second hand recordings from other people, which was usurped by the Roman Vatican church. From there, the Vatican church took out about half of everything, ranging from a book that recorded Jesus's sketchy relationship with a young man to all kinds of shit that you wouldn't believe (which is obviously why they took it out) and then changed all the things that they didn't take out (half the reason the bible contradicts itself so much). Then, when king James ordered the english church to make version for all english-readers, he took out and changed even more stuff, and ended up mistranslating a lot of the bible (the other half of the reason why the bible contradicts itself all the time).

And similar things happened to all the other religious texts, I simply don't know the specifics of why they're all so skewed and what have you. Long story short, religion is bullshit, and religious texts are even bigger bullshit.

I don't know, but it sure has it's contradictions, now doesn't it? Maybe if some if it's followers weren't so hateful...

the bible teaches that an invisibile dude in the sky prefers jews over the rest of us, so how could it possibly teach hate? I mean sure god tells the hebrews to kill every man women and child in Jericho but hey the old testament also has a lot of pretty Psalms eh? eh?

Yes it teaches hate if you look in the right places. If you want to take the Bible literally, then if someone worships other gods (i.e. any religion other than Judaism/Christianity) they are to be stoned. If someone is gay they are to be stoned. If someone is a witch (pagan religions/etc) they are to be stoned. If a person has sex outside of marriage they are to be stoned. Lots of stoning in that book.

It all depends what parts you look at. But yes it's very easy for any hate group to use the Bible to justify their agenda.

The Jesus parts are good, but you can't just take the Jesus parts if you accept the whole Bible as God's Word. So you have to take the ugly that is the Old Testament as well. God of the Old Testament and God of the New Testament sound as if they are two entirely different beings.

At 7/25/14 02:38 AM, NeonSpider wrote: God of the Old Testament and God of the New Testament sound as if they are two entirely different beings.

The old testament was written from the 11-10th century BC to the 4-3 century BC by jewish scholars mostly during the exile. They were trying to raise hope in their people and preserving judaism. The new testament was written for an entirely different purpose.

When thinking about the Bible and hate, or love. One must remember in the original Semitic languages in which the Old Testament (particularly Biblical Hebrew) were written, there weren't really extremes in describing emotion, so when translating it could be easy to confuse dislike and hate.
For instance, "A man cannot have two masters, as he will love one and hate the other." is a notable Bible verse. When it comes to the original writing, it didn't mean that he will hate his master in the way English speakers understand the word hate, but that he will simply like one master more than the other.

At 7/25/14 01:46 AM, yurgenburgen wrote: Psalm 31:6 talks about hating those who believe in gods other than "the Lord".

One must remember that Psalms was a collection of poetry and songs of men. They are never claimed to be law or prophecy or anything of that nature, so even if hate were used in the same sense we know it today, it is talking about one man's hatred. It is not talking about God's hatred, nor is it promoting hatred. Although, looking at the verse. It is more likely referring to vain pursuits in life (beauty, greed, etc.) as opposed to literal idols.

One last thing:
NEITHER THE EXISTENCE OF HOMOSEXUALS NOR ONE'S ATTRACTION TO ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE SAME GENDER ARE CONSIDERED SIN. IT IS THE ACT OF HOMOSEXUAL INTERCOURSE THAT IS CONSIDERED A SIN. THAT IS CLEARLY IMPLIED BY LEVITICUS 18:22.

At 7/25/14 06:18 AM, platypuspwn wrote: NEITHER THE EXISTENCE OF HOMOSEXUALS NOR ONE'S ATTRACTION TO ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE SAME GENDER ARE CONSIDERED SIN.

Indeed. It is obvious that a person's thoughts and feelings aren't "sins". Nobody should be convicted of a thought-crime.

IT IS THE ACT OF HOMOSEXUAL INTERCOURSE THAT IS CONSIDERED A SIN.

So: Thinking about gay sex inside your own head is okay, but having gay sex with a consenting adult in the privacy of your own home is not.
Got it.

I never read the Bible

Oh, a TheKlown post. lets see who hes trying to piss off today...

At 7/25/14 01:32 AM, TheKlown wrote: Does the Bible in Christianity, Jewish, Muslim and other religions teach Hate? I was talking to a Christian online that claimed he read the entire bible and it took him about 6-7 months to read and he says that being gay is a sin. I believe there's a chance God is real, however I wouldn't think our Creator would be so Hateful to judge others so harshly. To me it seems like the Bible was written by man, and not God if it says hateful things about people and their sexuality.

Huh...this is way more level headed and non-inflammatory than he typically posts. I wonder, maybe he's not trying to bait stupid people today...?

Now do I believe someone is born straight or gay? In my opinion no, I feel everything in life is a choice.

lol ok nevermind, i found it.

At 7/25/14 01:39 AM, Jester wrote: The most dangerous misinterpretation of the Bible is the impression that a sinner should be treated differently than a holy man during their earthly life.

In turn leading to some ignoring few important aspects of Jesus' teachings, especially since majority of not all of his apostles were sinners as well, such as Matthew being a tax collector and Simon the Zealot...well...

At 7/25/14 08:55 AM, BizzarroPMP wrote:

Now do I believe someone is born straight or gay? In my opinion no, I feel everything in life is a choice.

lol ok nevermind, i found it.

With that said, those ignoring the aspects of Jesus' teachings includes the clown known as TheKlown as well.

The bible is a religious book. Of course it teaches hate.

Most Christians are acknowledge that the bible is not 100% the word of God. The bible was written by many different men during a primitive time. So Christians understand the word of God could of been tainted by some of those many men. There could of been mistakes made or they put their out of date opinions in the text. Some Christians may understand this and have more tolerant views whereas some will have a very literal view of the bible.

At 7/25/14 10:51 AM, NewgroundsMike wrote: The bible is a religious book. Of course it teaches hate.

Obviously.

Of course it teaches hate.

The Bible was written by a bunch of violent, racist, sexist Bronze age savages who believed, among other things, that it was it was ok to beat your slaves (Exodus 21:20-2), and force a rape victim to marry her rapist, but only if she's a virgin. If she's not a virgin, she gets stoned to death. (Deteronomy 22:13-21).

How can people call this "The Good Book"?!

At 7/25/14 03:33 AM, satanbrain wrote:

At 7/25/14 02:38 AM, NeonSpider wrote: God of the Old Testament and God of the New Testament sound as if they are two entirely different beings.

The old testament was written from the 11-10th century BC to the 4-3 century BC by jewish scholars mostly during the exile. They were trying to raise hope in their people and preserving judaism. The new testament was written for an entirely different purpose.

Right, but if this is the same "unchanging God" shouldn't they at least be consistent? And they're not. Proof that it's a man-made work and not "God's Word".

Old Testament God is all about that wrath and anger and smiting.
New Testament God is all about loving everyone.

If God is unchanging (as Christians claim) and if the Bible is God's Holy Word (as Christians claim), something doesn't add up. I mean we go from smiting nearly anyone who isn't "God's chosen people" to a much more tolerant and forgiving God.

The only reason believe in religion is because they are personally convinced. Its not facts to say the least.

I will say "The Old Testament" is awful, except for maybe Psalms and Proverbs, also the idea that unbeliever is not destined to heaven is a little unfair. Don't really get the logic behind that, except for maybe gathering believers. Its good at dominance, i'll give them that :)

At 7/25/14 11:05 AM, freaksy101 wrote: Most Christians are acknowledge that the bible is not 100% the word of God. The bible was written by many different men during a primitive time. So Christians understand the word of God could of been tainted by some of those many men. There could of been mistakes made or they put their out of date opinions in the text. Some Christians may understand this and have more tolerant views whereas some will have a very literal view of the bible.

Entirely false. Most Christians believe the Bible is "God's Holy Word" and 100% infallible literal Word of God. As for Biblical contradictions, that's what Christian apologetics is for. Plus most Christians haven't ever read the Bible anyway but just whatever passages their pastor/priest tells them to, along with accepting their pastor/priest's interpretation of those passages almost 100% blindly. Which is why you end up with feuding churches because this church believes this way (how their pastor/priest interpreted it) but this other church believes this slightly other way (how their pastor/priest interpreted it) and both believe they are exclusively the "righteous" and that any who don't believe exactly as they do are misguided at best (if of another Christian church) or "of the devil" at worst (if non-Christian).

Christians who accept that the Bible is *not* infallible, that it is a man-made work, that it has been translated many many times and errors could easily creep in, and that you should use common sense instead of a strict literal interpretation of the Bible are the exceedingly small minority.

So basically you couldn't be more wrong.

It does teach hate, but I'm still glad about its existence. The idea of the bible is great. It's a book that taught bad people, how to fix themselves and become better. It also taught people how to be grateful for life and established a community for many back in the day.

Although, I can't wait until the day that a majority of people stop believing in religion. It's something that I feel society needs to move on from. We don't need a book telling us what's right and what's wrong anymore. We have laws to punish us, real books to educate ourselves and science to help us understand the things we previously didn't. It was generally good in the beginning but it's only doing more harm than good the older it gets.

Anyone find it funny how in school, textbooks have a new edition almost every year, fixing the mistakes and adding to the older editions, but we still try think a 2000 year old book is the truth and can't do any wrong?

I honestly don't know why these threads aren't auto locked.

At 7/25/14 02:48 PM, TheMajormel wrote: I honestly don't know why these threads aren't auto locked.

There's an "official" thread in politics forum that deals with this, but people like me hate it.

Also, don't mix up the bible with the Quran plz

At 7/25/14 02:53 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote: people like me hate it

I guess that was a bit hypocritical considering the topic

At 7/25/14 02:53 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote:

At 7/25/14 02:48 PM, TheMajormel wrote: I honestly don't know why these threads aren't auto locked.

There's an "official" thread in politics forum that deals with this, but people like me hate it.

Also, don't mix up the bible with the Quran plz

Most of the people that frequent general are edgy as fuck teenagers. Political forum has people who know how to argue. People here don't seem to get the point of religion. Then again, I haven't really Seen the thread you are talking about.

Most of the people that frequent general are edgy as fuck teenagers. Political forum has people who know how to argue. People here don't seem to get the point of religion. Then again, I haven't really Seen the thread you are talking about.

would you consider me edgy, dad.

ps you really remind of this i know on another forum

At 7/25/14 03:02 PM, TheMajormel wrote: Most of the people that frequent general are edgy as fuck teenagers. Political forum has people who know how to argue. People here don't seem to get the point of religion. Then again, I haven't really Seen the thread you are talking about.

I would say the regulars of politics can take the Olympic gold medal for filibustering. Those guys can talk forever without getting tired.

"Strange, because they are so frankly and hysterically insane - like all dreams: a God... who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him!"

I like Twain.