you guys know the magic vs science genra of story telling right it used to be pretty populair (as was combining them but thats a little played out now and winds up being a ripoff of starwars). the only things that ireally hate about this is that most of the time the science guys are made to be nazis and the magic guys to be hippies even though it can be made a hell of alot more interesting then that. anyway i was wandering when a side gets chosen to be the hero or the villen which do you guys thinks fits better into each role as both have been experimented with over the years preferably breaking away from the above mentioned tropes common to this genra.
If it's science it has potential to either be a good movie or a "so bad it's good" movie.
If it's magic it's just lazy writing.
Shit like Star Wars or Avengers is pure magical. It was like watching Harry Potter.
Magic vs technology, check
Technology side is literally Nazis, check
Lead of magic side is a long haired bushy bearded barefoot guy in a robe, check
At 7/22/14 08:39 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Magic vs technology, check
Technology side is literally Nazis, check
Lead of magic side is a long haired bushy bearded barefoot guy in a robe, check
addmittedly wizards is a fine movie (and that fairy chick is fucking hot) but because that movie is good everyone with a similair idea of magic vs science mimics large parts of it. and yes that is what i was referencing with the tropes up there to bad people are so intimidated by ralph bakshi's creative ability that they cant come up with there own things for genra's he has done
At 7/22/14 09:49 PM, nanocon wrote:At 7/22/14 08:39 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:
Oh, I didn't know you actually were thinking of Wizards.
I liked Fire and Ice as well.
At 7/22/14 09:55 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:At 7/22/14 09:49 PM, nanocon wrote:Oh, I didn't know you actually were thinking of Wizards.At 7/22/14 08:39 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:
I liked Fire and Ice as well.
oh cool so fire and ice is worth watching then ive thought about checking it out and ive seen alittle bit of it but it never help my attention very long it does start off a little slow
What if the story is more like the nazis find ancient super-advanced technology and use it to take over the world?
Well, there's He-Man, masters of the Universe...the protagonists seem to be more technologically advanced, and the antagonists seem to be more adept at magic, but there was magic and technology on both sides.
Same applies to Warhammer 40K. Magic and Tech work against each other, and sometimes hand in hand...like the hellish armies of chaos using sorcery and evil sacrifices to open a warp, corrupt the minds, and summon forth demons to battle. Straight up possessing machines to do their will.... then there are the Eldar who are so technologically advanced, that their fluent understanding of their fantastical devices MAY AS WELL be magic.
Thats the greatest part of creativity is to take the mold that has been established and BREAKING IT. Reinventing ideas to create something new. No one aspect of magic or technology can be inherently good or evil...and sometimes neither or both. Use your imagination.
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At 7/22/14 10:06 PM, Xenomit wrote: What if the story is more like the nazis find ancient super-advanced technology and use it to take over the world?
then you would have the first captain America movie
At 7/22/14 11:06 PM, nanocon wrote:At 7/22/14 10:06 PM, Xenomit wrote: What if the story is more like the nazis find ancient super-advanced technology and use it to take over the world?then you would have the first captain America movie
I was thinking something more like this
At 7/22/14 10:33 PM, Phobotech wrote: Well, there's He-Man, masters of the Universe...the protagonists seem to be more technologically advanced, and the antagonists seem to be more adept at magic, but there was magic and technology on both sides.
Same applies to Warhammer 40K. Magic and Tech work against each other, and sometimes hand in hand...like the hellish armies of chaos using sorcery and evil sacrifices to open a warp, corrupt the minds, and summon forth demons to battle. Straight up possessing machines to do their will.... then there are the Eldar who are so technologically advanced, that their fluent understanding of their fantastical devices MAY AS WELL be magic.
Thats the greatest part of creativity is to take the mold that has been established and BREAKING IT. Reinventing ideas to create something new. No one aspect of magic or technology can be inherently good or evil...and sometimes neither or both. Use your imagination.
well i already have a unique take on it i was just curios about peoples thoughts about the subject as i figured alot of people would have varing view points on the subject for a more interesting thread .those fusions ywere talking about those are a seperate genra i am refering to when there is an actual war and sides to takebetween the two forces of science and magic and who does the villen and hero thing the best in that sceneriown view i apologize if i was unclear earlier.
also please dont lecture during my threads i do use my imagination on these subjects before i write them and when ever people start these lecture types in these things they start to feel as though they are talking down to people. also i did mean beak the mold if you check. although in the same respect there is only so many times a mold can be broken and rebuilt before the result is unusable or before you run out of ideas for new molds.
At 7/22/14 11:25 PM, nanocon wrote:
those fusions ywere talking about those are a seperate genra i am refering to when there is an actual war and sides to takebetween the two forces of science and magic and who does the villen and hero thing the best in that sceneriown view i apologize if i was unclear earlier.
Literally all Warhammer 40K represents is all out war... their tagline is "In the grim darkness of the future, there is only war." Its even multiple forces of science and magic, and the "villain and hero thing" is open to interpretation. If somebody wanted to side with literally demons, they could, and if somebody wanted to side with the fanatically religious space marines, they could. Either way, there's tons of guns, swords, and flames.
also please dont lecture during my threads i do use my imagination on these subjects before i write them and when ever people start these lecture types in these things they start to feel as though they are talking down to people.
Are you for real, you think I'm talking down to you with the sentence "use your imagination" and you think THAT was a lecture? I was contributing to the discussion, and ending it on a note of positivity. Grow a spine.
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In support of what Phobotech was saying, there are often times in the 40k universe, where sides relying on tech and savagery square off against people who rely on magic and rituals to prevail.
For instance, you have these space marines called Space Wolves who are close combat specialists and use their chain swords and bolters as their signature weapons, then you have their rivals the Thousand Sons, who are literally all schooled in the art of sorcery and magic, when the space wolves attacked the thousand sons homeworld, both sides sustained heavy losses and the world burned. Later on I think the thousand sons payed a return visit to the wolves world and fucked shit up there.
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I personally love fantasy worls where magic and science go hand in hand, RPGs tend to do that well, like Final Fantasy 4 has a mostly medievalish setting but then you end up with The Tower of Babil and The Giant and The Moon etc. and you end up with these clashes of ages and it is fun.
Sadly with movies they tend not to do this well at all. It tends to be a game thing where it works and books also, but movies fail to make both seem as good as each other. Unsure if it is just due to directors having no idea how to fuse them or that they simply don't bother getting stories and settings where it will work. As usually movies magic consists of special effects for the most part which is always really obviously sticking out and when you try and put science stuff next to that it just stands out even more as not being there.
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Aren't they pretty much the same thing in movies?
At 7/22/14 11:37 PM, Phobotech wrote:At 7/22/14 11:25 PM, nanocon wrote:
Literally all Warhammer 40K represents is all out war... their tagline is "In the grim darkness of the future, there is only war." Its even multiple forces of science and magic, and the "villain and hero thing" is open to interpretation. If somebody wanted to side with literally demons, they could, and if somebody wanted to side with the fanatically religious space marines, they could. Either way, there's tons of guns, swords, and flames.
i meant clear cut sides one that uses only magic and the other only science and what you personally think makes the better hero and villen out of the 2. i also did say the fusion thing is a separate topic
Are you for real, you think I'm talking down to you with the sentence "use your imagination" and you think THAT was a lecture? I was contributing to the discussion, and ending it on a note of positivity. Grow a spine.
um no your thing had very little to do with it (as explained above) you were only listing shows not stating your opinion on the subject and writing it in a preachy way the entire time thats what i meant by lecture . also not having a spine is letting people walk all over you i was trying to ask politly not to write like that so we can either bicker and insult like babys (like calling someone spinless when no insult was actually said.) or we can act like adults and drop it and continue with the actual subject of the thread in a calm mature manner rather then letting this develope into a flame war
At 7/23/14 08:53 AM, Ragnarokia wrote: I personally love fantasy worls where magic and science go hand in hand, RPGs tend to do that well, like Final Fantasy 4 has a mostly medievalish setting but then you end up with The Tower of Babil and The Giant and The Moon etc. and you end up with these clashes of ages and it is fun.
Sadly with movies they tend not to do this well at all. It tends to be a game thing where it works and books also, but movies fail to make both seem as good as each other. Unsure if it is just due to directors having no idea how to fuse them or that they simply don't bother getting stories and settings where it will work. As usually movies magic consists of special effects for the most part which is always really obviously sticking out and when you try and put science stuff next to that it just stands out even more as not being there.
thats because when ever they do make one they always mimic starwars. but clash's of ages kinda deals are fun although i think its best to do that kinda stuff in animated movies since you simply have more options and can make them sync up better. also since you dont have to spend billions on special effects and props of varying design and size or vehicles or over priced crappy cg that only looks half as realistic as animatmatronic puppets from 30 years ago (enless you have hundreds of billions to make it look good.) you can focase on the writing. plus with all those other expences out of the way you can make it look great without spending any where near as much with the right animating team.
yes games due pull off wars of ages well but thats because your in em and can usually make em go the way you want. but if the writing team of a game wanted to they could easily do a half decent script for i a movie.
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