Gay Marriage, non religious

[Reiska3]

Why are people complaining "uuuh the christians are so mean". I mean they have to stick to the rule to some notch due to that they follow religious scriptures, otherwise that would be double morality :/

But why not just make a non religious marriage, that one can bend the rule for marriage to whatever they see fit. What do you think :)

[Chdonga]

Marriage was a religious ceremony to begin with. If you're not religious, what is even the point of getting married?

[Reiska3]

At 7/21/14 09:41 AM, Chdonga wrote: Marriage was a religious ceremony to begin with. If you're not religious, what is even the point of getting married?

I would bet... symbol of being faithful.

I assumed it was religious because its about breeding babies. I might be wrong though

[Scarface]

At 7/21/14 09:40 AM, Reiska3 wrote: But why not just make a non religious marriage, that one can bend the rule for marriage to whatever they see fit. What do you think :)

You do realize that already exists, right? Atheists get married all the time. Being married in the eyes of the US government and being married in the eyes of some church that happens to be in America are two different things (unless the priest in question has power vested in him/her by the state to perform legal marriage ceremonies).

[Reiska3]

You do realize that already exists, right? Atheists get married all the time. Being married in the eyes of the US government and being married in the eyes of some church that happens to be in America are two different things (unless the priest in question has power vested in him/her by the state to perform legal marriage ceremonies).

Are you saying that they dont get married in a church. Could you link me to it?

[yurgenburgen]

At 7/21/14 09:41 AM, Chdonga wrote: Marriage was a religious ceremony to begin with.

Marriage predates recorded history, so there's no way you can know that it was originally a religious ceremony.

[yurgenburgen]

At 7/21/14 10:06 AM, Reiska3 wrote: Are you saying that they dont get married in a church. Could you link me to it?

Are you joking? It's called a Registry Office, or Civil Registry where citizens record births, deaths, marriages, etc., and can get married with no religious overtone.

[Lamar537]

It's seen as religious because it's consistently been embedded in religions across the world since recorded history. As someone said earlier, Atheists get married for a multitude of reasons. It's a symbol of remaining faithful, plus the tax breaks aren't too bad.

Just like Atheists say "Oh my God" despite not believing in one, it's embedded in English as an expression.

[Reiska3]

At 7/21/14 10:14 AM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 7/21/14 10:06 AM, Reiska3 wrote: Are you saying that they dont get married in a church. Could you link me to it?

Are you joking? It's called a Registry Office, or Civil Registry where citizens record births, deaths, marriages, etc., and can get married with no religious overtone.

Interesting facts. But i think the reason they complain is that they dont get a fancy ceremony like they get in church :/
I was thinking something like that, but a non religious one to say the least.

[NGPulp]

Please, sit down and don't move about the cabin. Strap your seatbelts, folks.

Your scheduled argument is about to begin shortly.

[yurgenburgen]

At 7/21/14 10:17 AM, Reiska3 wrote: But i think the reason they complain is that they dont get a fancy ceremony like they get in church :/

Any same-sex couple getting legally married can hold a private function and make it as 'fancy' as they like.

If same-sex couples have a problem with certain christians, it's because certain christian groups are doing everything they can to keep it written into law that same-sex marriages are illegal, which it is in most countries.

[Reiska3]

At 7/21/14 10:23 AM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 7/21/14 10:17 AM, Reiska3 wrote: But i think the reason they complain is that they dont get a fancy ceremony like they get in church :/

Any same-sex couple getting legally married can hold a private function and make it as 'fancy' as they like.

If same-sex couples have a problem with certain christians, it's because certain christian groups are doing everything they can to keep it written into law that same-sex marriages are illegal, which it is in most countries.

I personally think it should be a matter of choice if two consenting adults gets married. Too bad its still being frowned upon in some places of the world :/

[KatMaestro]

Because you fucking can't.

In many countries

I really love Finland. It's where my ancestors from. But sometime I don't understand why they're the last kids in the block who never legalize gay marriage. We're more open about LGBT culture than other countries in the world, even in 1st world. But we can't legalize it. It's always like "Oh sheet they're passing the bill" then "Oops, no more".

[NeonSpider]

Because religious people want to make it so that nobody can get married except if it's approved by them. Not just in their churches (which honestly they should have a right to say who can/cannot get married in their own church building) but in any building at all, ever.

So the reason other people have a problem with this is it isn't just Christians wanting to keep marriage sacred within their own religion, but imposing their morality onto everyone else via encoded law.

So it's less like saying "You can't get married in our church building" and more like saying "Oh and you can't get married in any other building either even if the owners are totally okay with it."

[Xenomit]

At 7/21/14 10:06 AM, Reiska3 wrote: Are you saying that they dont get married in a church. Could you link me to it?

People get married at courthouses all the time. It's incredibly common, actually.

[Entice]

At 7/21/14 10:06 AM, Reiska3 wrote: Are you saying that they dont get married in a church. Could you link me to it?

Are you 12? Do you live somewhere outside of the US?

[Amaranthus]

At 7/21/14 03:10 PM, Entice wrote:

At 7/21/14 10:06 AM, Reiska3 wrote: Are you saying that they dont get married in a church. Could you link me to it?

Are you 12? Do you live somewhere outside of the US?

People get married in courthouses in Europe too.

[NeonSpider]

At 7/21/14 03:05 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 7/21/14 10:06 AM, Reiska3 wrote: Are you saying that they dont get married in a church. Could you link me to it?

People get married at courthouses all the time. It's incredibly common, actually.

Shh. They all get married in glorious cathedrals with the Pope in attendance granting his own personal blessing. Everyone knows this. It's not official until the Pope is all "I decree thee officially married. Now get all kissyface."

He has to travel around a lot to get to all the weddings of course. He's like the Santa Claus of weddings.

[Entice]

At 7/21/14 03:11 PM, Amaranthus wrote: People get married in courthouses in Europe too.

I know that, but I thought maybe he might live in an extremely religious country/area where that is uncommon.
That's the only reason to not know about courthouse marriages, besides being 12.

[Reiska3]

At 7/21/14 02:59 PM, NeonSpider wrote: Because religious people want to make it so that nobody can get married except if it's approved by them. Not just in their churches (which honestly they should have a right to say who can/cannot get married in their own church building) but in any building at all, ever.

So the reason other people have a problem with this is it isn't just Christians wanting to keep marriage sacred within their own religion, but imposing their morality onto everyone else via encoded law.

So it's less like saying "You can't get married in our church building" and more like saying "Oh and you can't get married in any other building either even if the owners are totally okay with it."

Ah ok, well thats not good :/

Are you 12? Do you live somewhere outside of the US?

Well i live outside US, but i'm not 12. Was more about if there are "Non church ceremony" where gay can marry. I heard courthouses. I might sound silly here, so forgive me for asking this last question. But how does a courthouse ceremony go like, or is it just sheet and paper and done. Like if it was a trial or something.

[Entice]

At 7/21/14 03:14 PM, Reiska3 wrote: Well i live outside US, but i'm not 12. Was more about if there are "Non church ceremony" where gay can marry. I heard courthouses. I might sound silly here, so forgive me for asking this last question. But how does a courthouse ceremony go like, or is it just sheet and paper and done. Like if it was a trial or something.

Oh, well my parents had one.

From what they told me you fill out some paperwork, and then they ask both people "do you accept ____ to be your lawfully wedded husband/wife" like in a normal wedding ceremony. There's was still a kiss too, apparently. But this all happened while they were standing in line with a bunch of other couples lol.

[Reiska3]

At 7/21/14 03:21 PM, Entice wrote:

At 7/21/14 03:14 PM, Reiska3 wrote: Well i live outside US, but i'm not 12. Was more about if there are "Non church ceremony" where gay can marry. I heard courthouses. I might sound silly here, so forgive me for asking this last question. But how does a courthouse ceremony go like, or is it just sheet and paper and done. Like if it was a trial or something.

Oh, well my parents had one.

From what they told me you fill out some paperwork, and then they ask both people "do you accept ____ to be your lawfully wedded husband/wife" like in a normal wedding ceremony. There's was still a kiss too, apparently. But this all happened while they were standing in line with a bunch of other couples lol.

Ah ok, thx for the info.

I found this interesting to read though, to see different outlook of different countries through text. Quite interesting.
http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=247643

[NGPulp]

At 7/21/14 03:21 PM, Entice wrote: From what they told me you fill out some paperwork, and then they ask both people "do you accept ____ to be your lawfully wedded husband/wife" like in a normal wedding ceremony. There's was still a kiss too, apparently. But this all happened while they were standing in line with a bunch of other couples lol.

How interesting.

A wedding without all that fuss and muss.
None of those crazy princess fantasies and celebratory nonsense.
Just good ol' fashioned paperwork without any red tape or cutbacks whatsoever!

Well that's nice.