They like to save money.
Saving money can help you.

Got nothing against that.

Unless of course, it's a false pretense.

At 7/19/14 12:54 AM, Bill-Premo wrote: If you removed the higher ups there would be no business, there would be no organization. If you removed the workers there would be no labor. But you need both, if you got rid of the higher ups there would be no one to need workers.

Would workers magically show up to a job that doesn't exist that no one hired them to do? Or is your argument that you get people to create businesses and then remove the higher ups after they hire a whole labor force? Your wage gap argument could be more nuanced instead of simple black and white reasoning.

Higher-ups aren't strictly necessary whereas the workers are. You can have a business with just an owner and workers without any sort of upper-management. You cannot have a business composed of just an owner and management without any sort of workers. Organization is useful and desirable, but not strictly necessary.

Basically the real workers are under-valued while the "upper crust" are over-valued.

At 7/18/14 04:23 PM, NeonSpider wrote: Type #1: Rich people earned it! They all saved up and worked hard to get where they are! They deserve it! They work harder than anyone else!

Type #2: Rich people got where they are by exploiting others. Cronyism helped them advance or they've been privileged from the start. Other people do all the work while they sit back and reap the benefits.

Now obviously there are some rich people who could fit either type, but if you believe most rich people are like Type #1 congratulations on completely buying into their BS.

If you believe most of the rich instead fit in Type #2 above, congratulations on actually having a brain!

Wow, you couldnt have put that in a more pathetic way ever. Congrats! You just showed me how stupid you are. What bullshit are taking?

At 7/19/14 01:35 AM, NeonSpider wrote: Basically the real workers are under-valued while the "upper crust" are over-valued.

Isn't this common knowledge by now?

At 7/19/14 01:22 AM, Entice wrote:

If your house looks something like this, you're not middle class.

This is more middle-class

At 7/19/14 02:01 AM, NGPulp wrote:

At 7/19/14 01:35 AM, NeonSpider wrote: Basically the real workers are under-valued while the "upper crust" are over-valued.

Isn't this common knowledge by now?

You would think so, but judging by some people's responses, nope.

Because apparently all those rich people got their money strictly from hard work according to some. (Yeah they can keep telling themselves that)

At 7/19/14 02:30 AM, Manly-Chicken wrote: Because the less you spend, the more financial secure you are no matter what social class you're in.

This is true. And there are ways to spend less without being a cheapskate about it. Instead of stiffing a waitress or delivery person on their tip, choose not to use those services or choose to purchase less expensive items so you can include a tip, or choose to use those services less frequently so you can tip. Instead of purchasing cheaper quality goods that wear out faster, choose to purchase higher quality goods which are within your price range -- initial price is higher, but long-term will probably be lower because less replacement/etc

Spending little money is fine. Being a cheapskate should be frowned upon.

At 7/19/14 02:28 AM, NeonSpider wrote: Because apparently all those rich people got their money strictly from hard work according to some. (Yeah they can keep telling themselves that)

Don't be too arrogant about the issue.

At 7/19/14 02:32 AM, Xenomit wrote: Not manual labor, no, but there are lots of rich people who genuinely did do a lot of mentally hard work and take a lot of risks that could have ruined them to get their money. Bill Gates and most large company founders are fine examples.

I don't have a problem with rich people as long as they aren't as greedy as they could possibly be about it. Most poor people I know are the most selfless people I know, despite them being the ones who could benefit from being selfish more than anyone else.

I agree. I don't have a problem with non-greedy rich people but those usually are people who really did work hard to become rich in the first place so they know how it is. And they usually do have considerable actual skills. Certainly there are rich people like this.

It's moreso the ones who take being rich for granted who didn't really "earn" their place I take issue with. Especially if they're incredibly rude and greedy.

Although I do agree, the majority of "rich people" are greedy little chicken nuggets, not all of them are these bad people who take advantage of whoever they can. Some have put in a lot of hard work, mostly mentally, having big strong muscles isn't going to get you anywhere unless that "muscle" is your brain. There are some who actually care about pushing humanity forward and making the world a better place. Unfortunately the majority give in to the "power" and become greedy and selfish.

Not all rich people are Leonardo da Vinci either, the majority don't have these genius ideas and have plans for technology years ahead of it's time. The majority simply know how to put their money to work, they know where and how to invest, some get lucky, and some just outright take advantage of people. Do you think Bill Gates is a billionare because he's responsible for creating such an amazing software? Pft of course not and he has his team of minions do the majority of the work for him, and he knows how to invest his money wisely and not waste it.

At 7/19/14 02:51 AM, NeonSpider wrote: It's moreso the ones who take being rich for granted who didn't really "earn" their place I take issue with. Especially if they're incredibly rude and greedy.

Well, don't we all hate 'em?

At 7/19/14 03:02 AM, dumbclowny wrote: Although I do agree, the majority of "rich people" are greedy little chicken nuggets, not all of them are these bad people who take advantage of whoever they can. Some have put in a lot of hard work, mostly mentally, having big strong muscles isn't going to get you anywhere unless that "muscle" is your brain. There are some who actually care about pushing humanity forward and making the world a better place. Unfortunately the majority give in to the "power" and become greedy and selfish.

Not all rich people are Leonardo da Vinci either, the majority don't have these genius ideas and have plans for technology years ahead of it's time. The majority simply know how to put their money to work, they know where and how to invest, some get lucky, and some just outright take advantage of people. Do you think Bill Gates is a billionare because he's responsible for creating such an amazing software? Pft of course not and he has his team of minions do the majority of the work for him, and he knows how to invest his money wisely and not waste it.

I agree with this. Also I agree Bill Gates (or any other corporate founder) didn't do all the work but at least he's capable of doing the work if necessary. He's not incompetent. I have much more respect for someone like that than one of these career corporate executives that just hops from business to business or similar types who have no real knowledge of how to do what it is that their business primarily does.

Stellar first post by the way!

At 7/19/14 02:11 AM, NeonSpider wrote: This is more middle-class

I'm so fucking poor.

At 7/19/14 03:16 AM, NeonSpider wrote:

At 7/19/14 03:02 AM, dumbclowny wrote:

I agree with this. Also I agree Bill Gates (or any other corporate founder) didn't do all the work but at least he's capable of doing the work if necessary. He's not incompetent. I have much more respect for someone like that than one of these career corporate executives that just hops from business to business or similar types who have no real knowledge of how to do what it is that their business primarily does.

Stellar first post by the way!

Of course, Bill Gates is more than capable of carrying out the tasks if he put time into it, and he is indeed a very big part in creating the company/products and especially was at first.

And thanks! aha

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At 7/19/14 03:02 AM, dumbclowny wrote: .

Stellar first post by the way!

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I like to save a lot of money, and I hate spending on stuff that should be twice the actual price.

At 7/18/14 09:35 PM, NeonSpider wrote: So bossing people around is harder than actually doing the work? Right right. You know when the tables are turned most of those higher level types can't do any actual real work at all.

u r dumb

At 7/19/14 08:46 AM, Slint wrote: u r dumb

I guess I r 2 dumb 4 u. ur grammar iz just 2 gud. wow so amaze!

At 7/19/14 02:11 AM, NeonSpider wrote: This is more middle-class

Thats more upper middle-class.
I'm middle-class and my house isn't half as nice as that.

Some rich people just hate spending money. It's partially how they got rich.
Think of Scrooge McDuck.

At 7/19/14 12:55 PM, Viper wrote:

At 7/19/14 02:11 AM, NeonSpider wrote: This is more middle-class

Thats more upper middle-class.
I'm middle-class and my house isn't half as nice as that.

Which is fine. I was more trying to point out how there are people who have houses closer to that first house who consider themselves just middle class, when really they're not. Maybe not quite as nice as that first house but definitely a lot nicer than the second one. Really nice neighborhoods too. People who'll spend $20+ a day on entertainment but claim "that's not much" and they're "not rich" and their house looks something like that.

If you had that second house you'd have a nice house. Wouldn't be someone I would consider rich but they would have a nice house for sure. I mean you gotta put the cutoff somewhere.

At 7/19/14 03:47 PM, Quorthon wrote: i wish i was rich :(

Well you won't if you just wish for it.

You get rich by working hard-- or exploiting those who work hard.
Whichever comes first.

At 7/20/14 12:00 AM, NGPulp wrote:

At 7/19/14 03:47 PM, Quorthon wrote: i wish i was rich :(

Well you won't if you just wish for it.

You get rich by working hard-- or exploiting those who work hard.
Whichever comes first.

This is 100% correct although you've forgotten the third way, which is to be born rich.

Really though I wish more people would get there the "working hard" way rather than the exploiting people way.

Also the more you already have the easier it is to acquire even more, so there is a sort of exponential difficulty curve in place hindering newcomers and in favor of existing rich anyway.

I can respect someone who is rich because of legitimate skills. Not so much for people who are rich because of business shrewdness. Actually if someone's only skills are "business" I don't have a lot of respect for that. Rich doctor? He earned it. Rich inventor? He earned it. Rich entertainer? He earned it. Rich businessman? He probably got there via exploiting people.

So many businesses which lobby government to make laws in their favor and so forth. It's definitely not in the interests of the majority of the people.

At 7/20/14 12:15 AM, NeonSpider wrote:

At 7/20/14 12:00 AM, NGPulp wrote:

At 7/19/14 03:47 PM, Quorthon wrote: i wish i was rich :(

You get rich by working hard-- or exploiting those who work hard.
Whichever comes first.

This is 100% correct although you've forgotten the third way, which is to be born rich.

Ah yes, forgot about that way.

I think most major conglomerates started with a hard-working fellow, then when they handed down the company to their children who were born rich, they started to exploit the workers under them.

At 7/20/14 01:00 AM, NGPulp wrote: Ah yes, forgot about that way.

There's actually a fourth way, which is to get exceedingly lucky for example by winning the lottery. Most people who get rich this way end up blowing all their winnings and don't stay rich for long however.

At 7/20/14 01:45 AM, NeonSpider wrote: There's actually a fourth way, which is to get exceedingly lucky for example by winning the lottery. Most people who get rich this way end up blowing all their winnings and don't stay rich for long however.

There are several ways to get rich, really.

- Getting lucky
- Conning others
- Exploiting others
- Working hard
- Being born rich
- Counterfeit
- Illegal businesses

At 7/19/14 04:18 AM, NGPulp wrote:

At 7/19/14 03:16 AM, NeonSpider wrote:

At 7/19/14 03:02 AM, dumbclowny wrote: .

Stellar first post by the way!

Hey, Dumbclowny; Welcome to Newgrounds.

- stuff
- Remember to always feed the trolls, you know how hungry they are.

-Very Informitave
-I really feel welcome :D
-secret staff, interesting
-why the hell don't they add chat back
-what happened to the hentai ads I'm sure they made many of us happy and horny
-nice to meet you
-hope to get to know you better :P

At 7/20/14 05:18 PM, dumbclowny wrote: -Very Informitave
-I really feel welcome :D
-nice to meet you
-hope to get to know you better :P

You're welcome, man.

It's nothing really.

At 7/20/14 07:45 PM, Voltage wrote: Other ways:

- Exploiting others

Extortion
Robbing
Mug a rich family

- Illegal businesses

Ponzi scheming
Drug dealing
Red pawning
Prostitution (exploiting oneself)

I guess this one counts as an effortless but high-paying job:

Become a photographer
Create a successful ad

I might add that becoming a successful (but talentless) YouTube partner can be considered as something of this nature.