hey i need to know does anybody know where i can talk to someone who can translate the confusing way lawyers and attorneys write on contracts and release forms as i need a small part of a release form explained to me before i sign. even though i did understand most of it i figured it would be stupid of me to sign with out fully knowing what it all means so a little help would be appreciated.
At 6/28/14 07:16 PM, nanocon wrote: hey i need to know does anybody know where i can talk to someone who can translate the confusing way lawyers and attorneys write on contracts and release forms as i need a small part of a release form explained to me before i sign. even though i did understand most of it i figured it would be stupid of me to sign with out fully knowing what it all means so a little help would be appreciated.
Just read it carefully, look up definitions to words you don't understand, and google specifics to referenced terms and laws that you don't fully understand.
You literally have every resource at your fingertips, right now, that we do...you just don't want to be doing the digging.
It would equate to a bunch of us sarcastically posting a series of "Let Me Google That For You" links, over and over again. Come on man....or if you're currently interacting with a lawyer who is giving you this confusing information in the first place, YOU SHOULD CLARIFY WITH THEM. Ask THEM, since they're the fucks that went to law school.
"I sail through a golden nexus. By tanks with armor that glisten. I watch and I play with creations, and what I'm not reading, I listen." <-
At 6/28/14 07:19 PM, Phobotech wrote:At 6/28/14 07:16 PM, nanocon wrote: hey i need to know does anybody know where i can talk to someone who can translate the confusing way lawyers and attorneys write on contracts and release forms as i need a small part of a release form explained to me before i sign. even though i did understand most of it i figured it would be stupid of me to sign with out fully knowing what it all means so a little help would be appreciated.Just read it carefully, look up definitions to words you don't understand, and google specifics to referenced terms and laws that you don't fully understand.
You literally have every resource at your fingertips, right now, that we do...you just don't want to be doing the digging.
It would equate to a bunch of us sarcastically posting a series of "Let Me Google That For You" links, over and over again. Come on man....or if you're currently interacting with a lawyer who is giving you this confusing information in the first place, YOU SHOULD CLARIFY WITH THEM. Ask THEM, since they're the fucks that went to law school.
i know you are trying to help and i agree with what you said (accept i did do alot of digging before this point) but its not that there are alot of big words its how the sentences are assembled its really confusing at the part i am talking about. seriosly its so poorly written i get confused very fast here you try reading the part im talking about and see how hard it is to read it ill paste it from my copy
5. For the avoidance of doubt, you acknowledge that BCC may use, without any obligation whatsoever to you and without any payment to you, any of the Material that: (a) is similar to or contains elements encompassed in a concept(s) under consideration or in development by BCC at the time of your submission or following your submission; or (b) is not unique and novel and original and concrete so as to be entitled to intellectual property protection under the law; or (c) has been made public by anyone at the time of your submission or otherwise is in the public domain; or (d) otherwise would be freely usable by a third person regardless of whether it had been accepted as a submission or the subject of any agreement; or (e) is not protected by copyright law; or (f) is similar or identical to any other project independently created by BCC personnel or any third party (collectively, the “Unprotected Material”). If all or any part of the Material does not fall in the category of Unprotected Material, then such Material, if any, is hereinafter referred to as “Protected Material.” Subject to the foregoing provisions, BCC will not make any use of the Protected Material unless you and BCC have agreed in a writing signed by both parties concerning your compensation for such use, which compensation shall in no event be greater than the compensation normally paid by BCC for similar material from comparable sources. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you cannot and will not assume or infer from either (i) the fact that BCC will accept your offer to submit the Material to BCC or (ii) any statements made by BCC regarding the quality of the Material that BCC regards the Material, or any part thereof, to be Protected Material. You recognize that other persons including, but not limited to, BCC employees may have submitted to BCC or to others or made public, or may hereafter independently originate and submit to BCC or to others or make public, material that is similar or identical to the Material, and if such Material constitutes Unprotected Material as defined above BCC shall have the right to use, and you understand that you will not be entitled to any compensation or other consideration because of BCC's use of such Unprotected Material.
Auughh...I'll try my best.
At 6/28/14 07:43 PM, nanocon wrote:
5. For the avoidance of doubt,
"Just so we clarify..."
...you acknowledge that BCC may use, without any obligation whatsoever to you and without any payment to you...
"...you know, and by signing this you're cool with, BCC being allowed to use, without having to stop and ask you anything and without any money up front from you...
....any of the Material that: (a) is similar to or contains elements encompassed in a concept(s) under consideration or in development by BCC at the time of your submission or following your submission;...
"...(you're cool with BCC being allowed to use) ANY of the shit that is similar to the thing orIS the very thing you're here talking to BCC about in the first place."
or (b) is not unique and novel and original and concrete so as to be entitled to intellectual property protection under the law;...
"...(you're cool with BCC being allowed to use any of the shit that) isn't so goddamned special enough to earn intellectual property protection..." (I think? I'm not too clear on that one.)
...or (c) has been made public by anyone at the time of your submission or otherwise is in the public domain;
"...(you're cool with BCC being allowed to use any of the shit that) pretty much anyone has access to...public shit, Google-able shit.
...or (d) otherwise would be freely usable by a third person regardless of whether it had been accepted as a submission or the subject of any agreement;
"...(you're cool with BCC being allowed to use any of the shit that) anybody could get a hold of and use if you brought it to any other lawyer people that wasn't us.
...or (e) is not protected by copyright law;
"fair game shit."
...or (f) is similar or identical to any other project independently created by BCC personnel or any third party (collectively, the “Unprotected Material”).
"...(you're cool with BCC using their own shit, or shit created by a third party (collectively, the fair game shit).)
...If all or any part of the Material does not fall in the category of Unprotected Material, then such Material, if any, is hereinafter referred to as “Protected Material.”
"If all or any part of the shit ain't fair game, then it's 'Protected Shit.' "
...Subject to the foregoing provisions, BCC will not make any use of the Protected Material unless you and BCC have agreed in a writing signed by both parties concerning your compensation for such use, which compensation shall in no event be greater than the compensation normally paid by BCC for similar material from comparable sources.
" ...Depending on how we prepare for this shit, BCC won't touch the Protected Shit unless you and anyone else that needs to be involved are cool with how the money is going to be handled, which in any such case won't cost more than what's normally handled for similar situations by BCC's standards." (They're trying to assure you that you're not getting fucked by them, I think.)
...Notwithstanding the foregoing, you cannot and will not assume or infer from either (i) the fact that BCC will accept your offer to submit the Material to BCC or (ii) any statements made by BCC regarding the quality of the Material that BCC regards the Material, or any part thereof, to be Protected Material.
"You can't and won't assume that BCC will accept your offer to submit your shit.
You can't and won't assume that any statement made by BCC about the your shit is Protected Shit."
...You recognize that other persons including, but not limited to, BCC employees may have submitted to BCC or to others or made public, or may hereafter independently originate and submit to BCC or to others or make public, material that is similar or identical to the Material, and if such Material constitutes Unprotected Material as defined above BCC shall have the right to use, and you understand that you will not be entitled to any compensation or other consideration because of BCC's use of such Unprotected Material.
"Realize that your shit ain't special, and we might get similar shit running through here...so don't freak out when somebody comes waltzing through here with shit that looks alot like YOUR shit. If that shit is unprotected, realize that you can't keep BCC from using the unprotected shit, and if we DO use it, you're not entitled to be paid or recognized for it, because that shit was unprotected."
....That's what I got out of it, man. I'm no lawyer, so I fear I may have butchered it or gotten it completely wrong...how'd I do, coach?
"I sail through a golden nexus. By tanks with armor that glisten. I watch and I play with creations, and what I'm not reading, I listen." <-
At 6/28/14 07:16 PM, nanocon wrote: hey i need to know does anybody know where i can talk to someone who can translate the confusing way lawyers and attorneys write on contracts and release forms as i need a small part of a release form explained to me before i sign. even though i did understand most of it i figured it would be stupid of me to sign with out fully knowing what it all means so a little help would be appreciated.
Yes. I know exactly the person you should talk to who can translate the confusing way lawyers and attorneys write on contracts. You should talk to a lawyer.
At 6/28/14 11:01 PM, NeonSpider wrote:
Yes. I know exactly the person you should talk to who can translate the confusing way lawyers and attorneys write on contracts. You should talk to a lawyer.
For real...because reading back on my translation, I'm fairly certain I fucked up a couple of things.
For instance...I think in the original, they were talking about paying HIM and I made it seem like he payed THEM....or visa versa... I don't even know!
"I sail through a golden nexus. By tanks with armor that glisten. I watch and I play with creations, and what I'm not reading, I listen." <-
@nanocon
Not a lawyer but my rough translation is "You agree that BCC may use any of your material without paying you a dime unless such material has legal protections which would make such nonpayment illegal." i.e. they want to use your stuff without paying you. Sounds like a raw deal. Again, ask a lawyer though.
"I sail through a golden nexus. By tanks with armor that glisten. I watch and I play with creations, and what I'm not reading, I listen." <-
At 6/28/14 11:18 PM, Phobotech wrote: Sounds like he needs to protect his shit.
thanks for the translation and i agree it does sound like a raw deal but you see its a realease form for a pitch idea im sending to frederator if they like it we discuss me becoming a staff member or at least thats what i was told. im planing on getting a copyright for the concept and any others i send the form actually has a copyright information section in it where i put that crap.
fortunately i live in canada and the copyright pretty much exist inherently the paperworks just proof according to our laws. mind you since i am dealing with an american company i should get the legal documantaion done up eh.
speaking of i just talk to cipo and pay the fee right i looked it up but im just making sure that the thing i was reading wasent full of crap
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