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Anyway, I'd like to kind of get back on track here. I don't believe this thread should be derailed simply because Gagsy lost her mind.

Guys, what do you think is the next step for people?

In your opinion, how will the emergence of science effect our values?

How will advances in technology effect our values?

Our species seems to be a strange mixture these days. We're still burning witches at the stake, (so to speak, especially in the media.) and we're still drinking he blood of a 2,000 year old God every time we enter a church.

At the same time, we aren't completely batshit insane as far as people from the dark ages were.

How is this going to play out? How will the explanations behind romance effect the idea of romance itself? Are we eventually going to end up emotionless?

I kind of believe that the next step in human evolution will be downloading our intentions, and our minds into computers and robots.

It makes sense in a way. Space travel is a grueling, dangerous thing that is going to eventually be necessary for our survival. We won't be able to survive in these bodies for things like space travel. We'll have to adapt.

Do you think things like physical feelings and emotions will have any place in a machine? Or wouldn't that serve as a distraction? If the bigger picture is getting off this planet before it's eventual destruction, how are we going to be able to take love with us? Unless we can create a robot that has receptors in it's "brain" for things like serotonin, how is it that we think our species is going to live on at all? Is all life on this planet doomed to eventually explore this universe without ever knowing emotion? Are we doomed to only end up as fact based, cold and calculating robots to pass on our legacy?

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At 6/16/14 02:59 PM, Stereocrisis wrote: Our species has already figured out so much.

So what is left when it has all been done before?

To be fair, everyone at any point in history would say this. In two thousand years (provided we haven't nuked each other or been hit by an asteroid) people will look back on us and wonder how we went so long without their everyday stuff. That's how the problem of induction works though - You never quite grasp how much you don't know, because you don't know anything about what you don't know. Including how big it is.

It seems like for every step we take forward scientifically, we take two steps back in love and respect for each other. Chivalry is dead. Love has become lust. God is dead. Science is the new God. This God has no morals. This God only knows hypothesis and conclusion.

I think it's wrong to pin that on science - Science really doesn't change people that much (and very rarely does it change them for the worse). As far as things being worse than they used to be, all that's happened is that people have been given more power to choose between right and wrong. If it seems like love's become lust, maybe it's just that a lot of the time in the past people didn't want love at all but just satisfying your lust wasn't an option. People still find love, it's just that it isn't the only available dish. As far as chivalry goes, I think it's easy (and convenient) to forget that some people have always been shits. There are still plenty of stories of courage and decency about, I don't think we're as bad today as is often made out.

OT, I think the next step for people will be figuring out how we're going to work as a space-age superorganism. Right now we split ourselves into administrative groups by nationality, but when we start colonising other planets I think that concept is going to have some trouble - We're either going to have to revert to imperialism and deal with the return of WWII scale war or embrace some form of internationalism. Either is going to have massive changes to our economies, cultures and every other aspect of our lives. Be some interesting shit.

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At 6/16/14 05:45 PM, Vnzi wrote: Well at least you kept up your own poisonous standards, Stereocrisis.

Sorry to butt in, but what's so bad about the OP?

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At 6/16/14 06:55 PM, Vnzi wrote:

At 6/16/14 05:55 PM, Stereocrisis wrote: Let's play a little game. You tell me what your problem is with what I said, and I'll try to explain.

Nah, since arguing with you is pretty useless.

"Nah, since I know what you'll say."

That's a pretty narrow-minded view. You have no idea what I'll say.

"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so." - Al Gore

I went over a lot of this in the previous thread that has sparked arguments, and you didn't listen at all that time and just posted your shitty fanfictions when you had nothing better to say.

I don't see how any of that applies here. You still aren't giving me the issue you took with what I said. I don't think you have one. You're just still pissed from like 3 threads ago. Get over it.

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At 6/16/14 06:49 PM, Stereocrisis wrote:
In your opinion, how will the emergence of science effect our values?

In the past, its been innovated by the push for war. Its either going to stay that way in the new future, or refreshingly, change to be a push for technology for peace.

How will advances in technology effect our values?

It'll probably mellow us out. Mostly because we tend to contradict what sci-fi prepares us for the future, and sci-fi has a tendency to make technology a flamboyant spectacle of war and murder...the reality will probably be very different.

Our species seems to be a strange mixture these days.

Interbreeding and cultural mixing can do that, and thats a good thing.

We're still burning witches at the stake, (so to speak, especially in the media.)

Where? When?

and we're still drinking he blood of a 2,000 year old God every time we enter a church.

You're speaking very broadly. Not everyone's a Christian. What of the Muslims? What of the Hindu? What of the Buddhists? What of the Wiccans? What of the Jews? What of the Satanists? What of the Pagans? What of the Agnostic and Atheistic?

While I'm not devout in any particular faith, I don't carry on like it doesn't have a place in society. Let people be with their beliefs.

How is this going to play out? How will the explanations behind romance effect the idea of romance itself? Are we eventually going to end up emotionless?

Dude, that depends on the parents of the child in question. You seek answers that only time can unlock.

I kind of believe that the next step in human evolution will be downloading our intentions, and our minds into computers and robots. It makes sense in a way. Space travel is a grueling, dangerous thing that is going to eventually be necessary for our survival. We won't be able to survive in these bodies for things like space travel. We'll have to adapt.

I think that would be death. Long voyages in space would necessitate death...and birth...and death, and birth again and again... The closest plausible thing I've seen in manned space exploration, besides just Star Trekking it up and saying "We got magic engines and shields, and we can just *BOOM* out there, with all the supplies we need", was Macross. Just have a super-massive space ship, or a FLEET of gargantuan colony space ships, that housed a fully functioning city within each hull. Generations upon generations of people could live their entire lives in the ship while self sustaining and repairing and tending to farms and industries that churned away to provide life to each other. Everyone that set off at the beginning of the journey has been long dead by the time their great-times-49 grandchildren happened upon a discovery that would change everything.

Do you think things like physical feelings and emotions will have any place in a machine? Or wouldn't that serve as a distraction? If the bigger picture is getting off this planet before it's eventual destruction, how are we going to be able to take love with us? Unless we can create a robot that has receptors in it's "brain" for things like serotonin, how is it that we think our species is going to live on at all? Is all life on this planet doomed to eventually explore this universe without ever knowing emotion? Are we doomed to only end up as fact based, cold and calculating robots to pass on our legacy?

Mankind is adaptable, and we've survived lots of things that should've killed us before...I'm not sure what your obsession with robots replacing humanity is coming from, however...robots cannot replace us...and the emotionlessness and numbing that you may feel, you have to understand, doesn't apply to everybody else. You gotta have empathy to realize that we'll always be emotional, and that'll always drive us to irrational decisions. Even if we perfectly mapped out the human brain, and note that literally everything we perceive or do is an electric or chemical reflex, we will still have that void within us that can only be felt by our reactive feelings...our intuition and instinct. Even if THOSE were explained scientifically, it wouldn't degrade who we are. Not even cyberfying us would take away what makes us special.

So no, I don't think we're doomed. I'm actually pretty optimistic about our future, because I've been seeing a pattern that persists to greatness all my life.

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There is plenty of territory left uncharted. Space, oceans, quantum physics, etc etc.

It's our nature to explore and learn and create. We will never be done.

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At 6/16/14 07:08 PM, Vnzi wrote: Just read through this thread.

He's still keeping up the persona and donating his writing "skills" with that stuff in the end.

I'm 85% sure Stereo isn't really a troll. If he is, fuck it, he's worked hard enough for everyone's raging for none of us to feel any shame.

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At 6/16/14 07:11 PM, Phobotech wrote:

At 6/16/14 06:49 PM, Stereocrisis wrote:
In your opinion, how will the emergence of science effect our values?

In the past, its been innovated by the push for war. Its either going to stay that way in the new future, or refreshingly, change to be a push for technology for peace.

Good response.

How will advances in technology effect our values?

It'll probably mellow us out. Mostly because we tend to contradict what sci-fi prepares us for the future, and sci-fi has a tendency to make technology a flamboyant spectacle of war and murder...the reality will probably be very different.

Good response.

Our species seems to be a strange mixture these days.

Interbreeding and cultural mixing can do that, and thats a good thing.

Totally, but that's not the context of what I said next.

We're still burning witches at the stake, (so to speak, especially in the media.)

Where? When?

Figuratively speaking. We are still "burning witches at the stake" every time the media tries to take a celebrity down a peg. Or more specifically, the little news stories that come and go everyday filled with inaccuracies. Bad news sells papers, and gets ratings. They are always ready and waiting with a juicy story to pin on someone who is probably innocent.

For example, I have a friend who was recently attacked in a park. He was with his daughter and wife, not causing any problems. He was attacked by a gang of people, and so he pulled out a gun and fired a warning shot into the air.

My local paper ran a story a couple of days later making him look like the attacker.

You can't believe everything you read, because the media burns anyone who is anyone at the stake to sell more papers.

and we're still drinking he blood of a 2,000 year old God every time we enter a church.

You're speaking very broadly. Not everyone's a Christian.

Which is why I said we are a weird mixture. Some of us are Christians, yes, that was me speaking broadly. I can't go through every single label of person there is.

What of the Muslims? What of the Hindu? What of the Buddhists? What of the Wiccans? What of the Jews? What of the Satanists? What of the Pagans? What of the Agnostic and Atheistic?

You have to admit, even you left out Aladura, the Amish, Anglicanism, Asatru, Bah'ai Faith, Baptist, Bön, Candomble, Cao Dai, Catholicism, Chinese Religion, Chopra Center, Christian Science, Confucianism, Conservative Judaism, Divine Science, Eckankar, Epicureanism. Episcopalianism. Falun Gong, Germanic Heathenism, Greco-Roman Religion, Hare Krishna (ISKCON), Hasidic Judaism, Hellenic Reconstructionism, Islam, Jainism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Kemetic Reconstructionism, Lutheranism, Mahayana Buddhism, Mayan Religion, Mithraism, Mormonism (LDS), Neopaganism, New Thought, Nichiren Buddhism, Presbyterianism, Protestantism, Pure Land Buddhism, Quakers, Rastafarians, Religious Science, Scientology, Seventh-day Adventist, Shaivism, Shinto, Sikhism, Stoicism, Tendai Buddhism, Theravada Buddhism, Taoism, Tibetan Buddhism, Umbanda, Unification Church, Unitarian Universalism, Unity Church, Vampirism, Vaishnavism, Voodoo, Westboro Baptist Church, Worldwide Church of God, Zen, and Zoroastrainism.

My point is simple. I'm not going to sit here and cover every single religion. I'm simply going to cherry pick the most easily visible religion to make my point.

While I'm not devout in any particular faith, I don't carry on like it doesn't have a place in society. Let people be with their beliefs.

I didn't say it doesn't have a place in society.

How is this going to play out? How will the explanations behind romance effect the idea of romance itself? Are we eventually going to end up emotionless?

Dude, that depends on the parents of the child in question. You seek answers that only time can unlock.

Yes, time will unlock these answers. I'm only asking for your two cents. This is just speculation for the fun of delving into an interesting topic. Your answer doesn't have to be right or wrong. It's just supposed to be what you think.

I kind of believe that the next step in human evolution will be downloading our intentions, and our minds into computers and robots. It makes sense in a way. Space travel is a grueling, dangerous thing that is going to eventually be necessary for our survival. We won't be able to survive in these bodies for things like space travel. We'll have to adapt.

I think that would be death. Long voyages in space would necessitate death...and birth...and death, and birth again and again... The closest plausible thing I've seen in manned space exploration, besides just Star Trekking it up and saying "We got magic engines and shields, and we can just *BOOM* out there, with all the supplies we need", was Macross. Just have a super-massive space ship, or a FLEET of gargantuan colony space ships, that housed a fully functioning city within each hull. Generations upon generations of people could live their entire lives in the ship while self sustaining and repairing and tending to farms and industries that churned away to provide life to each other. Everyone that set off at the beginning of the journey has been long dead by the time their great-times-49 grandchildren happened upon a discovery that would change everything.

Well, I think my point is that this is impossible. Our bodies, even in a super advanced space ship, would still be vulnerable to the dangers of space travel. Especially if we were going at light speed. At light speed, we'll be vulnerable to crashing into things that freely float around the universe, like giant rocks. Even if we hit a pebble going at light speed, we would do horrible damage to the ship. We would need a ship that could detect and avoid space debris faster than light speed. That would mean the ship would have to maneuver it such a way that would kill us.

Mankind is adaptable, and we've survived lots of things that should've killed us before...I'm not sure what your obsession with robots replacing humanity is coming from,

I'm saying that robots seem to be a likely outcome of what eventually emerges from our planet. Manned-missions would be ideal, but are ultimately disallowed by the amount of funding the space program gets.

however...robots cannot replace us.

That's what I mean though. I imposed the question at the end of this post. Are we DOOMED to not be able to get humans off this planet? Are unmanned missions the best we can hope for, before the clock runs out? Because as of now, we don't even have anything as good as artificial intelligence roaming the galaxy, much less human beings. We've sent out space probes and whatnot. We've sent out the Mars rover for instance.

..and the emotionlessness and numbing that you may feel

I don't feel that, no.

you have to understand, doesn't apply to everybody else. You gotta have empathy to realize that we'll always be emotional, and that'll always drive us to irrational decisions. Even if we perfectly mapped out the human brain, and note that literally everything we perceive or do is an electric or chemical reflex, we will still have that void within us that can only be felt by our reactive feelings...our intuition and instinct. Even if THOSE were explained scientifically, it wouldn't degrade who we are. Not even cyberfying us would take away what makes us special.

So no, I don't think we're doomed. I'm actually pretty optimistic about our future, because I've been seeing a pattern that persists to greatness all my life.

I just can't see human beings travelling space. Let's say we finally smartened up and put most of the resources we have to work, and made a fleet of spaceships. These ships would be our last stand. If they were destroyed, we would never get anywhere. It's easy to be obliterated in space. It's a hostile place. If you collided with even a small rock in space, going at the speeds we would have to be going to get anywhere, it would be devastating.

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At 6/16/14 07:14 PM, Sensationalism wrote: There is plenty of territory left uncharted. Space, oceans, quantum physics, etc etc.

It's our nature to explore and learn and create. We will never be done.

Maybe what it boils down to is this. By our nature, we explore and learn and create.

What happens when we reach the limits of what we can do? What would happen if we literally explored everything, learned everything, and created everything?

In this highly unlikely scenario, for shits and giggles, what do you think would happen to a species that is by nature curious to discover once the mysteries run out? Just as a hypothetical question. What if a species that only survives to seek the truth actually reaches the end of the truth rope?

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At 6/16/14 08:08 PM, Stereocrisis wrote:
What happens when we reach the limits of what we can do? What would happen if we literally explored everything, learned everything, and created everything?

In this highly unlikely scenario, for shits and giggles, what do you think would happen to a species that is by nature curious to discover once the mysteries run out? Just as a hypothetical question. What if a species that only survives to seek the truth actually reaches the end of the truth rope?

We become a singularity, and eventually, replicate an act of God.

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The king of ruined reputations

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At 6/16/14 08:50 PM, Weeaboo wrote: Haha what the fuck is this thread even about.
I read the OP and started to formulate a serious response but then I read the rest of the thread and holy shit was Chronamut right.
You people really fucking hate each other even if you dont directly hate them.

Man I do love Newgrounds.

The irony in this statement is that you post the same shit as everyone else. There is no "you people", because you fall into the same group you tard.

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At 6/16/14 09:07 PM, Zachary wrote: I better call out everyone on their bullshit before they can start thinking about how full of shit I really am...

Doesn't it ever get old to insist that we must look where you finger is pointing?

It would be nice for a change if you admitted some personal defects, instead of handing out your fucking report card on us.

You're not perfect, and no amount of finger pointing you can do is going to change that.

Honestly, why are you even in my thread? Didn't I already get your word that you weren't going to post in my threads anymore? I guess we know how good your word is now. You just couldn't help wanting to insult yet another user, could you? Oh no, I'm sorry. That's right. You "call people on their shit."

You know who else uses an excuse similar to that? Drama queen bitches who "don't talk shit, they state facts."

Give me a break.

Now, we will sit back and watch as Zachary attempts to justify his actions. This means we'll see a lot more finger pointing. Anything to redirect our attention from his faults. You see, in his view, once you realize that the rest of us NGers are a bunch of losers, he isn't so bad in comparison. If he were a super hero, he would be Impervious to Criticism Man! No.. Hypocrite Man! What's that? In the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's!!! It's...! Some asshole who thinks he's better than us!

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At 6/16/14 09:25 PM, Stereocrisis wrote:

why do you smell so fucking bad

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At 6/16/14 02:59 PM, Stereocrisis wrote: Our species has already figured out so much.

So what is left when it has all been done before?

It hasn't all been done before. The future holds a lot of mystery. Who knows where it will take us?

You basically need to be a super genius to add anything new. Chances are, at best, you can "better" something that already exists. But to come up with something previously undiscovered? That is going to be the biggest challenge for the next generations to come.

I don't know if you need to be a super genius. That sounds kinda defeatist to me. There are loads of avenues to explore. Whether it's one person or teams of people working together. Maybe the next big thing will be taking something small and adding to it and improving it over the years to come. Who knows?

I also think that's why so many people are jaded and cynical before they even enter their 20's. We are living in a time when myths are being busted. Fairy tale thinking is being eliminated by science. The magic of being alive can now be explained in detail. Even our strongest human emotion of love is shown to be nothing but a magic trick of chemical reactions in the brain.

Maybe I'm a nerd, but I think those explanations for everything are a bit magical, too. I mean, even that chemical is a bit magical. Imagine that we, as creatures that evolved over billions of years, randomly mutated a feeling, an emotion, to make us do something else. That's both scary and magical to me.
It doesn't take away from the enjoyment of the emotion, though. Our brains give us a rich world of feelings and sensation with which to experience reality. Even if you can explain it all, it's breath taking and mind-blowing to think that it all just.... happened.

I realize we haven't even scratched the surface of revealing the truth's of the universe. It's not that I think there isn't anything else to be learned. It's that I see our generation's getting smarter and stupider at the same time, in different ways, and I'm wondering how that's going to play out. We know more now than any generations have before. Yet even just 50 years ago we had a peace loving culture of flower children, and today it's all about shooting your brother in the face. I just don't understand why we abandoned ideals of compassion, and love, and hope, and instead went down the path purposely being ignorant, and shallow, and foolish.

You know, I think there's some truth in this. In the 1950's, kids could roam around the streets and would be raised by the neighbourhood. Parents didn't have to worry about them. But it's not that simple. I mean, that's a narrow view of things. in the 1950's, they had just recovered from two major wars, with another one around the corner. Every other part of the world was experiencing some sort of issue. Famine and drought were still popular, along with disease, you name it.
I think there may be some idealism and generalizations in the romanticism of the past. They didn't have it any easier. Racism was way stronger. Women were still second class citizens. Nuclear threat was brand new. A lot of fear and uncertainty.

Today, things are different. I don't know if they're better or worse. They're more luxurious, sure. We may have more technology, but I think there's a cost to it. I don't think the general population are balanced people. I think we are overloaded with information that it's become overwhelming. With all of the abundant information online and at your fingertips, you can know all about the troubles of the world and feel so utterly helpless and confused about what to do because it seems pointless and hopeless.
We have cool toys and fancy cars, more spacious homes. I believe there is still love and abundance, but seeing it requires you to look for it - just like anything else. if you focus on the negative, you'll see the negative.

What's the next step? Who knows. Sometimes I wonder that myself. But what influence do I have?

It seems like for every step we take forward scientifically, we take two steps back in love and respect for each other. Chivalry is dead. Love has become lust. God is dead. Science is the new God. This God has no morals. This God only knows hypothesis and conclusion. In and of itself, there is a science to manipulation. There is a science to everything. Were you to have all the right elements for the experiment, you could get the same results every time. You could know before hand what would work, or at least make more educated guesses with the information you gather. You could technically get anything you wanted down to a science. Kind of strips away the mystery. It allows the element of chance to become no big surprise.

What the hell am I talking about? -_-

I don't know what you're talking about but I'll talk about it too because it's fun!
Maybe you're talking about how the mystery of life is a little more predictable than it once was. Today, if you want to start a business, you can literally go to the library, pull out some books, and write out the steps. Maybe 100 years ago, it was a little more challenging. People skills weren't written in detail in a book. Marketing was left to your imagination. Now there are step by step systems to do everything.
Maybe you're talking about cultural direction. Where are we, as a people, going? I don't know if a lot of people are asking that question very seriously. Or maybe, where would we like to go? What is our vision of our culture... or even as humans??
Maybe you're becoming disillusioned with the world.

Or maybe you like posting on newgrounds because you like the abuse lol

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At 6/16/14 09:25 PM, Stereocrisis wrote: bunch of whatever nobody cares about / strawmen

Uhh, dude, I was pointing out the fact that what he said was hypocritical because he has tons of posts where he provides hate towards other users.

examples:

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1368635/2#bbspost25115665_post_text

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1368080/2#bbspost25106501_post_text

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1367749#bbspost25098557_post_text

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At 6/16/14 02:59 PM, Stereocrisis wrote: What the hell am I talking about? -_-

That is what all of us are thinking.

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At 6/16/14 09:48 PM, Weeaboo wrote: I know friend. But im talking about>>>>>>THIS<<<<<< thead in particular.

You doubletard.

pls no ban

Oh, yeah I know, Stereocrisis' threads tend to attract a lot of heat because of how he responds to people.

permabanned

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At 6/16/14 02:59 PM, Stereocrisis wrote:

It seems like for every step we take forward scientifically, we take two steps back in love and respect for each other.

Love is a chemical reaction. Respect is earned.

Chivalry is dead.

Alongside medievalism.

Love has become lust.

Has become?

God is dead. Science is the new God.

Science is not a god. It is questioned and doubted.

This God has no morals. This God only knows hypothesis and conclusion.

Only logic, you mean.

I Were you to have all the right elements for the experiment, you could get the same results every time.

Did you every study quantum mechanics?