Point of retro games?

[real-gamer]

I never understood why o many people like these games... To me, they're just outdated shit.

So, tell me, why are 30 year old names still so strong on outdated systems like the Genesis or the Nintendo 64? I don't get it.

[kazumazkan]

no...just no....

[FlockMastaBack]

Welcome back, real-gamer.

[Urban-Champion]

why is the ground so beneath us

[NekoMika]

"outdated shit"

Not everyone strictly likes what's new in the gaming industry.

lol horrible attempt at trolling if you are trolling at all

[heartshapedlife]

At 6/10/14 10:53 PM, real-gamer wrote: I never understood why o many people like these games... To me, they're just outdated shit.

So, tell me, why are 30 year old names still so strong on outdated systems like the Genesis or the Nintendo 64? I don't get it.

Obvious troll.

[Gremlin]

At 6/10/14 10:53 PM, real-gamer wrote: I never understood why o many people like these games... To me, they're just outdated shit.

So, tell me, why are 30 year old names still so strong on outdated systems like the Genesis or the Nintendo 64? I don't get it.

Maybe they're part of our childhood and we just love them for that alone, besides most retro games are still pretty awesome compared to modern games. If you don't understand, then you're just too young.

Now, get the fuck out of my sight

[angrybirds2000]

to make myself look cool.

fuk new videyeah games its just CALL OF DUTY BLEH

im gonna play my mario 64 all day long 'till the end of time.

[NGPulp]

At 6/10/14 10:53 PM, real-gamer wrote: I never understood why o many people like these games... To me, they're just outdated shit.

So, tell me, why are 30 year old names still so strong on outdated systems like the Genesis or the Nintendo 64? I don't get it.

Nostalgia and shit.
We aren't obligated to play whatever's new, you know.

It's just pop culture and entertainment anyway. There's not much of a problem staying behind or moving forward to what you feel comfortable with.

"To each his own" as they say.
Keep this saying in mind whenever you want to argue over someone's tastes.

If this was a serious issue like science or society progressing I can still understand.
Retro games are things that we shouldn't fucking debate or get angry about.

[Dean]

What does being outdated have to do with anything? Don't people who study literature still consider Shakespeare class? Isn't Mozart still considered one of the best composers? Isn't Vincent van Gogh considered one of the best painters? Don't people still listen to and enjoy bands like Queen?

Things don't become irrelevant just because they're dated. I don't consider retro video games to be any different than the above examples. Do I personally think Shakespeare, Mozart, van Gogh and Queen are good? None of them really appeal to me but that doesn't stop them from being appreciated by people and still relevant. You can dislike retro games if you want, that's your choice, but they're certainly not all shit. That's too much of a generalisation.

There are a ton of retro games that I'd be more willing to play than most of the games that are released now. Does that mean I like all retro games more than all modern games? No. There are retro games I like and retro games I don't like. It seems pretty ignorant to just dismiss old games as shit. At the end of the day though, whatever. If you don't enjoy old games, you don't enjoy old games.

[Dean]

Also, I guess I forgot to respond to your actual question.

I like certain retro games because they were well made and are still enjoyable to play now. Games like Symphony of the Night, Super Metroid, A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Banjo-Kazooie and Contra 3 (just some games I have sitting behind me) are all just as fun to play now as they were back in their day.

Right now I'm trying to decide what game I want to play next and I'm currently considering Metroid Prime. 12 years old now and still a pretty awesome game.

Like I said in my previous post, I don't like all retro games. There is plenty of shit games out there and things are no different now. Not all modern titles are good and they're not all bad. Some will still be highly regarded in 20 years time, others wont. That's just how it is.

[AngryGrag]

I think it's fine to like retro games, I just don't like it when people say all games made today are shit compared to their predecessors because it makes me think you are a retarded person (saying this considering that every good old game has been copied and improved upon by indie studios).

As an aspiring game designer it frightens me that so many people on the internet will blindly grasp onto old titles and claim that nothing will succeed them

[orangebomb]

It's a case of nostalgia, there's nothing really wrong with that. Of course, where we start to run into trouble is to insist that classic games are better than modern ones because of subjective or even trivial reasons, when the reality is that game design has improved leaps and bounds from 20 years ago, and even 10 years ago for that matter, and yet this gets casually dismissed.

It's statements like that that drive me insane, and is simply insulting to modern games and gamers in general.

[vidyagames]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBGWtVOKTkM

[FlockMastaBack]

At 6/11/14 04:44 PM, orangebomb wrote: It's a case of nostalgia, there's nothing really wrong with that.

I'd only played the SNES a few times & the NES even less so prior to high school, and nowadays I mostly play retro games over modern ones. No nostalgia needed.

Of course, where we start to run into trouble is to insist that classic games are better than modern ones because of subjective or even trivial reasons, when the reality is that game design has improved leaps and bounds from 20 years ago, and even 10 years ago for that matter, and yet this gets casually dismissed.

It's statements like that that drive me insane, and is simply insulting to modern games and gamers in general.

Games have advanced technically, but technical excellence =/= inspired design. I don't think all modern games suck (Persona 4 Golden, released not even two years ago, is my favorite game of all time), but I'd agree with said demographic that the industry isn't what it once was; imo video gaming was at its peak during the fourth & sixth generations, and the seventh generation was the worst since anything prior to the fourth generation (and possibly the third).

[WrightOnTarget]

At 6/10/14 10:53 PM, real-gamer wrote: I never understood why o many people like these games... To me, they're just outdated shit.

So, tell me, why are 30 year old names still so strong on outdated systems like the Genesis or the Nintendo 64? I don't get it.

What's the point of fucking video games if you're gonna go that far. If you don't think a game is fun, don't fucking play it, I don't give a shit whether or not you think MGS1 is fun or if it's outdated, that doesn't fucking matter to me. I mean, we all die anyways, humanity is going to die out eventually, no one will remember or care about Mario eventually when everyone who ever knew anyone is dead. Time will move on and forget everything.

Jesus.

[jaerid]

Not sure if you're a masochist who loves receiving abuse on the internet but what you just said was a rather stupid question tho or you just really don't know .

[FlockMastaBack]

At 6/12/14 05:48 PM, jaerid wrote: Not sure if you're a masochist who loves receiving abuse on the internet

Just look at every other thread/post he's ever made & your question will be answered.

[orangebomb]

At 6/12/14 02:53 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

At 6/11/14 04:44 PM, orangebomb wrote: It's a case of nostalgia, there's nothing really wrong with that.

I'd only played the SNES a few times & the NES even less so prior to high school, and nowadays I mostly play retro games over modern ones. No nostalgia needed.

But that is nostalgia in itself, and judging from your comments, you are either living under a rock, or you deliberately ignoring all of the advancements of game design.

Games have advanced technically, but technical excellence =/= inspired design. I don't think all modern games suck (Persona 4 Golden, released not even two years ago, is my favorite game of all time)

You are falling in the same pitfalls that all the nostalgia fanboys seem to fall into with your argument. After over 40 years of game design and development, it's almost impossible to create something that is considered truly original as games will usually find something to compare themselves to, (cheap as that is) whether by the developers or fans. Originality is only as good as the game itself is, otherwise it's nothing more than a cheap novelty.

It also doesn't help that a lot of them don't know or even bother to know what they truly want, and instead of developers trying to please the vocal minority of gamers who bellyache over the littlest things, they continue to make games that the majority of the fans can play, and let the game speak for itself.

but I'd agree with said demographic that the industry isn't what it once was; imo video gaming was at its peak during the fourth & sixth generations, and the seventh generation was the worst since anything prior to the fourth generation (and possibly the third).

Are you fucking joking? The seventh generation was probably the best time for gamers, even if it was somewhat controversial. This is when gaming became a serious part of the entertainment business, (it started in the 6th generation, but picked up legit respect in the last generation) and more people are playing games than ever before, with games that go across many demographics that didn't play games before. Granted, it's not been all puppies and cakes with the lowest common denominator, but that is a minority of people who play games, (that always seem to be the most vocal) and that's been around forever.

I'm not disrespecting other generations at all, they have their charms and all, but the last generation is a literal boom of support for video gaming in more ways than one, and the faults of this generation are nothing more than minor controversies at worst and opinionated bellyaching at best. Please tell me that I'm not the only person who actually believes this.

[FlockMastaBack]

At 6/12/14 06:32 PM, orangebomb wrote: But that is nostalgia in itself, and judging from your comments, you are either living under a rock, or you deliberately ignoring all of the advancements of game design.

So just because I prefer older games to new ones, I do so because of nostalgia? Even though almost all my favorites of the third-sixth gens I hadn't even played until a few years prior?

Games have advanced technically, but technical excellence =/= inspired design. I don't think all modern games suck (Persona 4 Golden, released not even two years ago, is my favorite game of all time)

You are falling in the same pitfalls that all the nostalgia fanboys seem to fall into with your argument. After over 40 years of game design and development, it's almost impossible to create something that is considered truly original as games will usually find something to compare themselves to, (cheap as that is) whether by the developers or fans. Originality is only as good as the game itself is, otherwise it's nothing more than a cheap novelty.

Last time I checked, I said "inspired" not "original," and while the two share multiple similarities, they are not identical; Super Mario Bros is, by definition, more original than Super Mario World, but I'd consider Super Mario World to be more inspired than Super Mario Bros. That being said, your argument about originality is false; yes, true originality is difficult in this day and age, but there's a difference between a game being similar/comparable to another & it being a complete carbon copy of what's popular on the market - this is something I'll admit was/is prevalent in all generations. And no, originality doesn't make a game, but it's certainly a positive factor, and to say otherwise would be ridiculous.

It also doesn't help that a lot of them don't know or even bother to know what they truly want, and instead of developers trying to please the vocal minority of gamers who bellyache over the littlest things, they continue to make games that the majority of the fans can play, and let the game speak for itself.

I agree that gamers these days are too pessimistic about everything, but there's a difference between aiming to please the majority & completely alienating certain demographics. Capcom, for instance, is the best example of this.

but I'd agree with said demographic that the industry isn't what it once was; imo video gaming was at its peak during the fourth & sixth generations, and the seventh generation was the worst since anything prior to the fourth generation (and possibly the third).

Are you fucking joking? The seventh generation was probably the best time for gamers, even if it was somewhat controversial. This is when gaming became a serious part of the entertainment business, (it started in the 6th generation, but picked up legit respect in the last generation) and more people are playing games than ever before, with games that go across many demographics that didn't play games before. Granted, it's not been all puppies and cakes with the lowest common denominator, but that is a minority of people who play games, (that always seem to be the most vocal) and that's been around forever.

I'm not disrespecting other generations at all, they have their charms and all, but the last generation is a literal boom of support for video gaming in more ways than one, and the faults of this generation are nothing more than minor controversies at worst and opinionated bellyaching at best. Please tell me that I'm not the only person who actually believes this.

At this point your argument is essentially "I respect all generations, but anyone who likes any of the prior generations more than the seventh is objectively wrong!!!!!" The seventh generation had its moments, but I still think of it as one of the worst; the PS3, while a good console, was a major step down from the PS2 imo, the Wii was more of an expensive toy than a console & had practically the exact same hardware as the Gamecube, and the Xbox 360 had a ridiculously small exclusive library with almost nothing that interested me, not to mention the failure rates/overheating. The 7th generation also marked the first generation post-third to be missing a Sega console - Sega being tied with Nintendo as my favorite console developer. There's other qualms I had such as the overabundance of gritty realistic games, the stagnation of my favorite genres, etc., but I don't feel like going into that atm.

[DoctorStrongbad]

At 6/10/14 10:53 PM, real-gamer wrote: I never understood why o many people like these games... To me, they're just outdated shit.

So, tell me, why are 30 year old names still so strong on outdated systems like the Genesis or the Nintendo 64? I don't get it.

real_gamer has just made one of his worst posts ever. See above.

[FlockMastaBack]

At 6/12/14 07:12 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

At 6/12/14 06:32 PM, orangebomb wrote:

At this point your argument is essentially "I respect all generations, but anyone who likes any of the prior generations more than the seventh is objectively wrong!!!!!"

I stand by what I said, but looking back, that was a bit of an unfair/strawman argument, so I guess... I'll retract this statement (god I wish I could just edit posts here)???

[logwood]

uhh, because Genisis and N64 are awesome?

[NGdisc]

Troll or Serious?