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Serious question: Are we living, or are we experiencing the living? Are we dead? Or are we alive? Are we the memory, or the result of a memory? Are we captured? Or are we being captured? What state is our existence currently in? The result of being, or actual being? Is this a story that is being written, or have already been written? Life is everything we make it - so it must be the latter; it must be a fact that we are not "being", we are "becoming".

At 5/27/14 06:11 PM, Insanctuary wrote: Life is everything we make it - so it must be the latter; it must be a fact that we are not "being", we are "becoming".

If you answered your own questions, then what do you need our input for?

Also, people that talk to themselves and answer their own questions really should see a psychiatrist.

I know it's kinda cliché but I feel confident that we are all just matter experiencing itself and we're teetering on a precipice of what strongly feels like doom but what is in actuallity the cusp of profound change and development as a species.

Either that or we're just self important long pigs throwing shit at each other for nothing.

¯\ _(ツ)_/¯

At 5/27/14 06:15 PM, VJF wrote: Also, people that talk to themselves and answer their own questions really should see a psychiatrist.

Did you know Tesla once called a friend of his to talk to himself - when he answered himself, he hung up immediately. I forgot to mention, Tesla called 3A.M in the morning. Perhaps you have your insanity and sanity mixed up, VJF.

At 5/27/14 06:20 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 5/27/14 06:15 PM, VJF wrote: Also, people that talk to themselves and answer their own questions really should see a psychiatrist.

Did you know Tesla once called a friend of his to talk to himself - when he answered himself, he hung up immediately. I forgot to mention, Tesla called 3A.M in the morning. Perhaps you have your insanity and sanity mixed up, VJF.

Did you know that the line between insanity and genius is very thin (Oscar Levant)? The only difference between insanity and genius is what society makes of it.

What if I'm real and all of you are fake?

At 5/27/14 06:38 PM, Spooky wrote: Incredible. I had to go out and buy a fedora just to tip it. It just makes perfect sense. True philosophy.

Agreed. This Fedora Tipper 9000™ is epic Ma'am.

At 5/27/14 06:20 PM, EyeLovePoozy wrote: I know it's kinda cliché but I feel confident that we are all just matter experiencing itself and we're teetering on a precipice of what strongly feels like doom but what is in actuallity the cusp of profound change and development as a species.

Either that or we're just self important long pigs throwing shit at each other for nothing.

¯\ _(ツ)_/¯

Why do you suppose people refer to it as "doom". Why do people fear death? Why do people open to the Universe accept death, while those who are blinded by their convictions fear it?

At 5/27/14 06:30 PM, VJF wrote: Did you know that the line between insanity and genius is very thin (Oscar Levant)? The only difference between insanity and genius is what society makes of it.

Did you know that insanity is the product of nature where in parts of ourselves resort to chaos and unpredictability to change and expand ourselves? The same process can be demonstrated atomically by observing the behavior of bacteria's bad and good influences. It's a process of becoming more than our initial stage, just like the big bang was an initial stage that spiraled into an initial stage which is more than the first initial stage (the same way we live in both our mind, and outside of our mind). It's points in space and time with higher/lower value points, just like the Universe has higher and lower states as per the sounds having higher/lower pitches, causing feelings akin to angels or feelings akin to archangels.

Will a man, given the history of a killer, continue in that vein? Or are we, in fact, more than the sum of our memories?

At 5/27/14 07:20 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Will a man, given the history of a killer, continue in that vein? Or are we, in fact, more than the sum of our memories?

I suspect that a way a tree grows, a river flows or a brain knows; the behavior thereof is what memory follows.

2deep4me

At 5/27/14 06:20 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 5/27/14 06:15 PM, VJF wrote: Also, people that talk to themselves and answer their own questions really should see a psychiatrist.

Did you know Tesla once called a friend of his to talk to himself - when he answered himself, he hung up immediately. I forgot to mention, Tesla called 3A.M in the morning. Perhaps you have your insanity and sanity mixed up, VJF.

Yeah, but that's Tesla. You're just some schmuck on a forum who has never invented anything :P

At 5/27/14 08:47 PM, Zachary wrote: Yeah, but that's Tesla. You're just some schmuck on a forum who has never invented anything :P

Philosophy can be taken where ever you go - Tesla's inventions were influenced by the philosophy he works with.

As you were saying...?

@Insanctuary, obviously we don't have all the answers right now on consciousness, but it seems most likely that memory is a function of consciousness rather than consciousness of memory given that memory is largely restricted to certain areas of the brain (largely the hippocampus) while functions of consciousness seem to use the frontal lobes as well as small areas near those used for sensory processing (at least).

At 5/27/14 07:20 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Will a man, given the history of a killer, continue in that vein? Or are we, in fact, more than the sum of our memories?

That's actually a really sick quote - What's it from?

Also, in case this is closer to what you were asking - what you perceive in the moment is processed very differently to how memories are processed (working memory is very distinct from short term memory) but what you experience is definitely a little bit behind things actually occurring, and complex decisions can be made without conscious thought so what you are experiencing *is* kind of a memory, but it's very distinct from any other form of memory.

Admit it. You're a time-traveler from the future who went to the past so you could become your own great-great-great-great-great grandpa to create a space-time paradox just so you could make this thread, right? Right?! Right.

At 5/27/14 06:11 PM, Insanctuary wrote: Serious question: Are we living, or are we experiencing the living? Are we dead? Or are we alive? Are we the memory, or the result of a memory? Are we captured? Or are we being captured? What state is our existence currently in? The result of being, or actual being? Is this a story that is being written, or have already been written? Life is everything we make it - so it must be the latter; it must be a fact that we are not "being", we are "becoming".

you should probably rephrase the thread to something liek "guys i just a trippy thought" and asked for thoughts on the thought becuas ethe way you said it sounded like you had a thought that was going nowhere and you just explored it so what is anybody supposed to say at thsi point

At 5/28/14 01:12 AM, FaisalOrb wrote: you should probably rephrase the thread to something liek "guys i just a trippy thought" and asked for thoughts on the thought becuas ethe way you said it sounded like you had a thought that was going nowhere and you just explored it so what is anybody supposed to say at thsi point

Tbf, all insanctuary's threads are like this, so misleading as the names might be they do serve to differentiate between which particular "trippy thought" each thread goes though the motions on. Generally if you see the OP is Insanctuary it's pretty safe to assume the thread will be like this.

is this what you discussed in your high school philosophy club today?

It's too fucking late for this dude

At 5/28/14 03:13 AM, Powerage wrote: is this what you discussed in your high school philosophy club today?

You act like there's any relevance between the individual philosopher's mind and the watered down cliche of a philosophy club.

At 5/28/14 12:47 AM, AxTekk wrote: @Insanctuary, obviously we don't have all the answers right now on consciousness, but it seems most likely that memory is a function of consciousness rather than consciousness of memory given that memory is largely restricted to certain areas of the brain (largely the hippocampus) while functions of consciousness seem to use the frontal lobes as well as small areas near those used for sensory processing (at least).

Well, as I said before, I believe consciousness/memory is created from the illumination properties found in water. There's a strange bond between life and water, and the relationship between the behavior of our emotions and thoughts compared to the behavior of an ocean whether it substitutes how emotions/water rage and calm, or how emotions/water become deep and dry.

At 5/28/14 12:47 AM, AxTekk wrote:

At 5/27/14 07:20 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Will a man, given the history of a killer, continue in that vein? Or are we, in fact, more than the sum of our memories?

That's actually a really sick quote - What's it from?

Don't watch any trailers. And more importantly, do not watch the theatrical cut. DIRECTOR'S CUT ONLY

We are not living, just passing

At 5/28/14 06:54 PM, Sonic wrote: We are not living, just passing

Hehehehehehehehehe

God Speed

At 5/28/14 02:04 PM, Insanctuary wrote: Well, as I said before, I believe consciousness/memory is created from the illumination properties found in water.

Holy shit! What?

At 5/28/14 07:06 PM, Spooky wrote: Insanctuary is probably an alt troll account so whatever response he gives to this, don't heed it. He has mastered this style of post because he knows it annoys people. He'll reply the same way.

If he is genuine, then it is funny but ignore it all the same.

That's a euphemism for, "I'm really contradicting myself here, because it's easier than admitting that Insanctuary is a genuine guy that has a passion for what she does."

At 5/28/14 07:06 PM, Spooky wrote: Insanctuary is probably an alt troll account so whatever response he gives to this, don't heed it. He has mastered this style of post because he knows it annoys people. He'll reply the same way.

If he is genuine, then it is funny but ignore it all the same.

Yeah that makes sense. Thanks for the heads up. I didn't plan on engaging him in an argument, but if he's a troll and not just an insane person he might have been able to get me to do it. Kind of takes the fun out of this thread a little, oh well.

We're always dead, always living. Always the same. Always different.

Very sightul post. It got me thinking a bit. If I come up with something. I might post it here.