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Why are they still chasing al-qaeda?

Al-Qaeda is a paramilitary organisation founded in late 80s to protect Afghanistan from soviet invasion. After driving off Russians from there, they were working in interest of their country. Osama Bin Laden in that time, was spending millions to help countries in middle east grow and prosper. He built freeways, hospitals, etc. He was even portrayed as a friend of democracy in American newspapers at the time. These people would not do something like 9/11. What would be their motive, and do you seriously think they're so stupid they can't think of consequences of their actions?

Leave these people alone and let them rebuild their country

I see a near future vision how anyone from anywhere will get assassinated because 'they' suspect you are a terrorist.

O boy

At 4/17/14 03:50 PM, orangebomb wrote:

At 4/17/14 01:27 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote: So what if they were terrorists? That doesn't give anyone the right to kill them.

You really are that stupid if you really believe that. Terrorists in general deserves to be killed, considering that they have no problem killing and maiming others, and it rather sickening that you would say that no one should kill them.

I know that you are prone to make stupid statements, but this might be the most ignorant on your point.

I'm actually pretty indifferent to most things, but I get REALLY pissed when someone tries to justify killing people. No, damnit. Killing another person is always wrong, no matter the circumstances. And if they have indeed killed and maimed others, then fucking put them in prison, for the rest of their lives if you have to, to make sure they never do it again. But when you kill them, you put yourself on their level.

At 4/17/14 01:32 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: women are just our sex toys and servants that we keep in our households?

Leviticus is the best part of the Bible and it's the only one that should be followed as well!

And I never said THAT.

At 4/18/14 09:42 AM, NewgroundsMike wrote: I'm actually pretty indifferent to most things, but I get REALLY pissed when someone tries to justify killing people. No, damnit.

They are terrorists who have virtually no justification for killing people, it's only right for someone to stop them dead in their tracks. We're doing the right thing here eliminating those who actively bring harm to others, and no amount of your grade school morality is going to change that. There are evil people out there that need to die badly, and to not do it when we have the chance is irresponsible on our part, and would be dangerous on your part. Casualties are an unfortunate part of war, but if we're being honest here, better them than us.

Killing another person is always wrong, no matter the circumstances. And if they have indeed killed and maimed others, then fucking put them in prison, for the rest of their lives if you have to, to make sure they never do it again.

Here's the problem, we can't just go to some place and simply arrest terrorists, THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS. Having them alive will accomplish nothing on our part, and will only encourage other terrorists to go after us. You can't treat them as regular criminals, because they maim and kill people for a living, and they have to be stopped at the root. Imprisoning them is only cutting off the top of the weed, and is a waste of time for all of us.

Killing those who spread terror is not wrong, don't try to humanize them with your black and white child-like morality.

But when you kill them, you put yourself on their level.

No, it doesn't. What you suggesting is like not treating cancer when it is first detected, and it already consumed countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan. When you have the proverbial treatment for said cancer, would you use it? Of course you would.

Don't compare people who don't do anything bad in the same breath with those who kill for a false cause, because they are not the same thing.

And I never said THAT.

Me thinks that you need to lay off the hippie pamphlets, grow up and realize that we don't live in a black and white world. Go back to playing on the train tracks, please.

At 4/18/14 11:41 AM, orangebomb wrote:

Me thinks that you need to lay off the hippie pamphlets, grow up and realize that we don't live in a black and white world. Go back to playing on the train tracks, please.

The train conductor will probably kick his head away from the tracks though.

At 4/18/14 11:41 AM, orangebomb wrote: They are terrorists who have virtually no justification for killing people, it's only right for someone to stop them dead in their tracks. We're doing the right thing here eliminating those who actively bring harm to others, and no amount of your grade school morality is going to change that. There are evil people out there that need to die badly, and to not do it when we have the chance is irresponsible on our part, and would be dangerous on your part. Casualties are an unfortunate part of war, but if we're being honest here, better them than us.

There is NO FUCKING justification for killing people. Of course they don't have one, but neither do you. No one needs to "die badly". Grade school morality? I thought it was the least I could expect of any functioning society that no one could just go ahead and kill me.

Here's the problem, we can't just go to some place and simply arrest terrorists, THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS. Having them alive will accomplish nothing on our part, and will only encourage other terrorists to go after us. You can't treat them as regular criminals, because they maim and kill people for a living, and they have to be stopped at the root. Imprisoning them is only cutting off the top of the weed, and is a waste of time for all of us.

When you erase the principles of your democratic society out of fear of them, you give them exactly what they want. That's their ultimate goal: To destroy societies with fear. And over there in the US, they've accomplished that very well. The only way to fight them is to treat them like any other criminals and let the justice system do its job.

Killing those who spread terror is not wrong, don't try to humanize them with your black and white child-like morality.

Humanize them? I don't need to, THEY ARE FUCKING HUMANS!

No, it doesn't. What you suggesting is like not treating cancer when it is first detected, and it already consumed countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan. When you have the proverbial treatment for said cancer, would you use it? Of course you would.

Only that you're not treating the cancer. You're trying your best to deceive yourself into thinking there's still hope for you, while you're only prolonging your suffering. The only real way to heal the "cancer" of terrorism is to eliminate all the causes of people turning to terrorism in the first place. But at the moment you're doing the complete opposite.

Don't compare people who don't do anything bad in the same breath with those who kill for a false cause, because they are not the same thing.

Those who don't do anything bad are those who don't kill others, at all. You can't kill for a "right" cause because the act of killing makes whatever you intended to do wrong. Life is the greatest of all human rights. All other rights can be taken away in order to protect greater rights, but the right to life can't.

Me thinks that you need to lay off the hippie pamphlets, grow up and realize that we don't live in a black and white world. Go back to playing on the train tracks, please.

Well, life and death IS pretty black-and-white.

At 4/18/14 01:08 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

Well, life and death IS pretty black-and-white.

It's not when you consider certain situations such as this.

Being that terrorists has no qualms on killing civilians, I say killing them is justified.

At 4/18/14 01:08 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote: There is NO FUCKING justification for killing people. Of course they don't have one, but neither do you. No one needs to "die badly". Grade school morality? I thought it was the least I could expect of any functioning society that no one could just go ahead and kill me.

Ok, fine then. What do want to do with the terrorists then? They aren't going to leave us alone, and if we do leave them alone, then we give them the license to kill and maim others with virtual impunity. The national forces of most of the Middle Eastern countries are either incompetent, corrupt or both, and most of Europe have their heads in the sand about it, acting like this isn't their problem. Your grade school morality does not work on a large scale, because there are those who commit acts of violence against others, and to just ignore it is irresponsible on all our part.

When you erase the principles of your democratic society out of fear of them, you give them exactly what they want. That's their ultimate goal: To destroy societies with fear.

Fear is a powerful tool, and this is often the only way that most of the idiots of the Middle East understand. We can't just go back to the days of ignorant bliss, because there are those out there who are willing to kill innocents for their cause, such as the Boston bombings.

I know what you're going to say, "America's freedoms are being threatened because of various reasons". Really, that's not the case at all, and it just nothing more than the ignorant getting whooped up over perceived perceptions. Not to mention I don't really recall any of our freedoms being any more threatened by our government anymore than the terrorists were, and to say otherwise is not only ignorant, but shortsighted as well.

Also, IIRC, Germany hasn't been a high priority target for terrorists like we are, I would guarantee that if you had to deal with what we went through the last 20 years or so, you would understand why we do what we do, especially when most everyone else asks us to do their dirty work for them.

And over there in the US, they've accomplished that very well. The only way to fight them is to treat them like any other criminals and let the justice system do its job.

Here's the problem, just arresting them and waiting for the justice system to do their thing is a massive waste of time and resources on our part. We can't just treat them as regular criminals because they aren't regular criminals, plus where are we even going to keep them in our overcrowded prisons? They're better off dead, which sends the message that we aren't going to put up with it, and we don't risk any of our soldiers or rely on someone who may or may not be shifty.

Humanize them? I don't need to, THEY ARE FUCKING HUMANS!

Who kill others, and cause chaos and instability wherever they go. That alone means that they better off dead.

Only that you're not treating the cancer. You're trying your best to deceive yourself into thinking there's still hope for you, while you're only prolonging your suffering.

We tried to do just that, but we can't be responsible for them turning on us because of whatever perceived slight they may think of. We realize that instead of just treating the symptoms only, we had to result to force in order to stop them from spreading. Of course, there are going to be others who are going to carry the flag, but if they do so, then they will be a target too. One blast of radiation doesn't kill all of the cancer cells, and neither does killing their leader of a terrorist network eliminates the terrorist group, but repeated uses are more effective and it shows that we don't mess around.

Those who don't do anything bad are those who don't kill others, at all. You can't kill for a "right" cause because the act of killing makes whatever you intended to do wrong. Life is the greatest of all human rights. All other rights can be taken away in order to protect greater rights, but the right to life can't.

Now you're just trying to defend them solely because their humans. Life is a privilege, and those who take away said privilege for non self-defense reasons must be dealt with in kind. Terrorists DO NOT deserve any sort of reprieve just because they're people, because they sure as hell don't give anyone any when they do what they do.

This is why we're one of the few nations in this world who has to act like grown-ups and make the equalivent of grown up decisions, because the rest of the world are either total man children or are actual children who needs their asses beat with a paddle or a belt.

Even then, they still continue to act up, but much of it is still their doing and it's our responsibility to straighten them by whatever means.

Well, life and death IS pretty black-and-white.

As I said before, life is a privilege and those who take it away from others don't deserve it, and even then, there are a lot who get away with that. Sometimes, you have to lay down the law and be the bad cop in order to stop a problem, but it seems like you're either that naive, complacent, or most likely both.

At 4/18/14 06:32 PM, orangebomb wrote: Ok, fine then. What do want to do with the terrorists then? They aren't going to leave us alone, and if we do leave them alone, then we give them the license to kill and maim others with virtual impunity. The national forces of most of the Middle Eastern countries are either incompetent, corrupt or both, and most of Europe have their heads in the sand about it, acting like this isn't their problem. Your grade school morality does not work on a large scale, because there are those who commit acts of violence against others, and to just ignore it is irresponsible on all our part.

I never implied that we should leave them alone. In fact, it's quite the opposite: We should punish them like we do all other criminals. Because that's what they are, nothing else. You act as if you didn't have any form of a legal system. Of course they can't kill and maim others with impunity, but neither can you kill and maim them with impunity.

And the situation in the Middle East is not Europe's problem. It's the Middle East's problem, and theirs alone. Hell, it wouldn't even have been your problem if you hadn't made it that way, but no, you had to start wars in countries you have absolutely no business in.

Fear is a powerful tool, and this is often the only way that most of the idiots of the Middle East understand. We can't just go back to the days of ignorant bliss, because there are those out there who are willing to kill innocents for their cause, such as the Boston bombings.

No, fear only seems like a powerful tool, but at some point, that fear turns into rage, and then you're fucked, as we see these days. People shouldn't have to fear. If you need to resort to fear to accomplish something, you're doing it wrong. It WILL backfire sometime.

Also, IIRC, Germany hasn't been a high priority target for terrorists like we are, I would guarantee that if you had to deal with what we went through the last 20 years or so, you would understand why we do what we do, especially when most everyone else asks us to do their dirty work for them.

OK, I'm getting sick of that argument that other countries want you to "do their dirty work for them". Let me educate you on the matter of Germany and war: Having started two world wars and lost both of them, we wanted to prevent such a catastrophe from ever happening again. So we put an article into our constitution that outlawed any acts of war, except in defense of ourselves or our allies. So long story short, wherever we are, YOU pulled us in. YOU invaded other countries just for the hell of it, and then you were in trouble, and now you try to blame it on the others. You made yourself a high priority target for terrorists, because if you hadn't started wars in other countries, the people in those countries wouldn't hate you now.

Here's the problem, just arresting them and waiting for the justice system to do their thing is a massive waste of time and resources on our part. We can't just treat them as regular criminals because they aren't regular criminals, plus where are we even going to keep them in our overcrowded prisons? They're better off dead, which sends the message that we aren't going to put up with it, and we don't risk any of our soldiers or rely on someone who may or may not be shifty.

So you just say, "Fuck laws", because it's a waste of time and resources. What a great way to run a country. While you're speaking of "sending a message": If you do treat them like all other criminals, you send the message that you're morally superior to them who just kill everyone. But instead you respond to violence with more violence. If you keep doing this, there will never be peace until everyone is dead.

And the overcrowded prisons in the US are a problem of its own. You literally lock up everyone for the most petty stuff. If you didn't do that, you'd have the space for the terrorists and wouldn't need to kill them right away.

Who kill others, and cause chaos and instability wherever they go. That alone means that they better off dead.

I could just as well say that the US troops kill others and cause chaos and instability wherever they go. Yet they still think of themselves as the "good guys". You're more similar to the terrorists than you think.

We tried to do just that, but we can't be responsible for them turning on us because of whatever perceived slight they may think of. We realize that instead of just treating the symptoms only, we had to result to force in order to stop them from spreading. Of course, there are going to be others who are going to carry the flag, but if they do so, then they will be a target too. One blast of radiation doesn't kill all of the cancer cells, and neither does killing their leader of a terrorist network eliminates the terrorist group, but repeated uses are more effective and it shows that we don't mess around.

That cancer has been there for too long. It's now at the stage where you can fight it all you like, you're still going to die.

Now you're just trying to defend them solely because their humans. Life is a privilege, and those who take away said privilege for non self-defense reasons must be dealt with in kind. Terrorists DO NOT deserve any sort of reprieve just because they're people, because they sure as hell don't give anyone any when they do what they do.

Yes, I do defend them because they're humans. Just like me and you. Life is not a privilege, and the fact that you think it is makes me sick.

This is why we're one of the few nations in this world who has to act like grown-ups and make the equalivent of grown up decisions, because the rest of the world are either total man children or are actual children who needs their asses beat with a paddle or a belt.

No, your nation is the man child. You're still fighting whereas the rest of the world has already realized that won't get shit done.

As I said before, life is a privilege and those who take it away from others don't deserve it, and even then, there are a lot who get away with that. Sometimes, you have to lay down the law and be the bad cop in order to stop a problem, but it seems like you're either that naive, complacent, or most likely both.

Life is not a fucking privilege. And no one is supposed to be above the law, not the police, nor the CIA, or the NSA, not even the god-damned president. You can't solve a problem by replacing it with another.

At 4/17/14 04:07 PM, orangebomb wrote:

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Second, you have no idea how to deal with terrorists and neither does NGMike. Both of you should play in New York's subway tracks, preferably on the dark side of said tracks.

Whatever you say, young sheep.

At 4/19/14 02:06 PM, Schizo-Sephy wrote: Whatever you say, young sheep.

At least my opinions don't come from paranoid conspiracy theorists who have no idea what they're talking about. The "sheeple" argument you make holds no water, and is hypocritical as well.

At 4/19/14 03:30 PM, Raab wrote:

The newspaper identified the Australian as Christopher Harvard of Townsville.

The city of townsville....

From what I remember from the show, the people of Townsville aren't exactly the brightest of the bulb...seriously, while the mayor is a dumbass but at least he wasn't alone, just that he's the dumbest of all.

At 4/19/14 03:18 PM, orangebomb wrote:

At 4/19/14 02:06 PM, Schizo-Sephy wrote: Whatever you say, young sheep.

At least my opinions don't come from paranoid conspiracy theorists who have no idea what they're talking about. The "sheeple" argument you make holds no water, and is hypocritical as well.

I wouldn't have said it if you had not told me to play in the subway.
I respect peoples opinions until they go off and insult others in their arguments.
I don't mean to be a dick but it's something that I have to do.
I'm going to stop responding to this thread cause I'm sure you and I don't want to start a gritty flame war.
By the way I do apologize for calling you a sheep, it was uncalled for.

At 4/19/14 11:28 AM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

So we should go and arrest the terrorists then?

its pretty obvious that its the illuminati using their state of the art equipment. dont beileve it? research before you fucking speak.

At 4/20/14 04:09 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: So we should go and arrest the terrorists then?

Just imagine the situation, a random soldier goes to a heavily armed terrorist group and says to them "you're under arrest." Not only is it not efficient, it's not practical on a large scale to treat terrorists like regular criminals. What NGMike doesn't get that Germany did not get hit with planes that killed over 3,000 people, and before then 2 embassies and a warship got bombed, we did. If America didn't respond, we would basically let them do what they want, you don't play by the rules when the other guys don't, especially when the rules are toothless to begin with.

Having a naive, child-like morality is simply not feasible against an enemy that has no problem killing innocent people, almost like treating cancer by simply cutting off the tumor with a blade instead of radiation. Plus, where exactly are you going to get the lawyers to defend them and the space in prisons to keep terrorists? It seems like they don't really think all of this through.

The fact that "Townsville"is evidently the name of a real place pisses me off more than anything honestly.

At 4/20/14 04:09 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 4/19/14 11:28 AM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

So we should go and arrest the terrorists then?

Yes, damnit. Anything else and you become terrorists yourselves.

At 4/21/14 09:39 AM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

At 4/20/14 04:09 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 4/19/14 11:28 AM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

So we should go and arrest the terrorists then?

Yes, damnit. Anything else and you become terrorists yourselves.

That sounds reasonably...naive.

At 4/21/14 11:12 AM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 4/21/14 09:39 AM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

At 4/20/14 04:09 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 4/19/14 11:28 AM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

So we should go and arrest the terrorists then?

Yes, damnit. Anything else and you become terrorists yourselves.

That sounds reasonably...naive.

Then so be it.

At 4/21/14 12:37 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

Then so be it.

Care to offer your suggestion on how we should go and arrest the terrorists?

At 4/21/14 01:22 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 4/21/14 12:37 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

Then so be it.

Care to offer your suggestion on how we should go and arrest the terrorists?

Sounds like he needs to go over there and arrest them himself.

At 4/21/14 01:22 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 4/21/14 12:37 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

Then so be it.

Care to offer your suggestion on how we should go and arrest the terrorists?

Police? You act as if chasing criminals was something new altogether.

At 4/22/14 08:55 AM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

Police? You act as if chasing criminals was something new altogether.

Except those are not minor criminals we're talking about.

At 4/22/14 10:19 AM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 4/22/14 08:55 AM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

Police? You act as if chasing criminals was something new altogether.

Except those are not minor criminals we're talking about.

But they are just that. Criminals. Nothing else.

At 4/22/14 01:17 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

But they are just that. Criminals. Nothing else.

Criminals who has no qualms with whom they kill.

If you try to arrest them, do you think they go in peace while armed with AK-47?

At 4/22/14 01:26 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 4/22/14 01:17 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

But they are just that. Criminals. Nothing else.

Criminals who has no qualms with whom they kill.

If you try to arrest them, do you think they go in peace while armed with AK-47?

Of course they won't go in peace, but that shouldn't be a reason to kill them. Shoot them in the leg if you have to, but don't kill them.

At 4/22/14 01:43 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

Of course they won't go in peace, but that shouldn't be a reason to kill them. Shoot them in the leg if you have to, but don't kill them.

It wouldn't matter, they will continue to attack and being that it's war, things aren't as simple as you like to think. Not to mention shooting them in the leg doesn't guarantee anything since they can still bleed from the severed femoral artery. Medical attention won't come in time if their comrades aren't incapitated.

At 4/22/14 01:49 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 4/22/14 01:43 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote:

Of course they won't go in peace, but that shouldn't be a reason to kill them. Shoot them in the leg if you have to, but don't kill them.

It wouldn't matter, they will continue to attack and being that it's war, things aren't as simple as you like to think. Not to mention shooting them in the leg doesn't guarantee anything since they can still bleed from the severed femoral artery. Medical attention won't come in time if their comrades aren't incapitated.

1. War in itself is bad. 2. You kind of started it, they're just fighting back. 3. I don't care how, but if possible, avoid killing them, because killing them eliminates the chance to put them on a proper trial.