do you think an uprising in the USA

[WallofYawn]

Is possible or likely to happen, especially any time soon? Do you feel like things are just tense everywhere? I get that sense, even when everyone around me and myself included are doing fine, and are happy, there's always a sense of tension in the air, due to the economy, and due to recent laws that have been passed.

Since 2007, We've had the Patriot Act put in place, two wars, we've had anti-piracy laws that unfairly target victemless websites simply because someone posted illicit material on them, we've had laws passed that allow businesses to discriminate against people as to race, gender, sexuality, etc. even though they violate the FLSA(Fair Labor Standard Act)

We have had laws passed which render the EPA and the Clean Water/Air Act useless. Quality standards in food and safety have gone down. Education system is failing. Economy is taking a dive. More and more people are without work. It is difficult to afford a good education.

They told us to invest in real estate and that tanked. They ttold us to invest in Enron, and that fucked the entire economy, and put A LOT of people out of work, and out of homes.

The USA is now rated as the country with the MOST incarcerated people, on earth. What's wrong with that picture?
The USA has one of the highest rates of homeless and unemployed on earth. Again, what is wrong with this picture?

I am not saying in any way that I support an uprising. I don't condone violence. But do you think the USA is likely to have an uprising, and change in system and ideals? Or do you feel we're too cowardly for that? Just curious to see what people say. Don't want a flamewar.

[Camarohusky]

There's Big difference between tense and revolutionary.

[orangebomb]

Not even close, and to suggest otherwise is not only exaggerating the situation, but thinking that passing a bunch of controversial laws in America that are grossly misunderstood or mistaken will have an American uprising is simply being ignorant, this isn't Africa we're talking about here.

To the OP, these kinds of threads belong in General, and even then, your answers are going to be the same.

[Razefan]

No I don't feel like their will be an uprising in the USA. Having one would be pointless anyway, the gov is still at the point of coming back and what would a "civil war" even be about? What gov would replace the us?

Things aren't tense everywhere you're just only reading negative news. imo

[TucoM]

At 4/4/14 10:06 PM, Razefan wrote: What gov would replace the us?

One that isn't owned by Wall Street.

[mile667]

As much as I dont like the US politics I think in logic way that this kind of situation can,t last forever its like a balloon that pyrites,pyrites,pyrites and explodes The thing the holds the US economy is the dollar that is being printied an does nt has any value also the world trades oil with dollars ones the Countrys decide to stop tradeing with dollars its over
www.ibtimes.com/so-long-yankees-china-brazil-ditch-us-dollar-trade-deal-brics-summit-1153415
And if that happens I think will be much worst for the American people and im sorry there will social riots ones it reaches the critical mass expect SH**

[Kel-chan]

if it did happen it wouldnt be a "revolt"

It would be a return to constitutional rule of law wouldn't it?

[Tony-DarkGrave]

I wish. at least something interesting would actually happen.

[Fim]

I think what you're feeling has more to do with sensationalist media rather than the bubblings of revolution.

[Kel-chan]

As long as theres the internet, cable, cellphones and foodstamps- nobody is gonna do a damn thing

[wildfire4461]

Don't forget about several states signing laws making federal gun control laws illegal in those states, and the cluster fuck in CT. And the approval rating of the congres is in the teens.

[leanlifter1]

An uprising would just give the police and Military what they need to put everyone in prison and or increase the Police State.

[orangebomb]

Please tell me that no one is believing what the OP is saying here, it should be pretty clear that this is sensationalization and exaggeration to the highest levels. Those who advocate an American uprising are insane and stupid, especially when the issues don't really call for it, and what exactly would an uprising accomplish in the end?

[Camarohusky]

Anyone who thinks revolution on a widespread scale is even close to likely right now in the US is a complete fool.

People in the US have it VERY GOOD. That means they would have to risk a great deal to revolt. Do you really think people would be willing to sacrifice their TV, iPhones, McDonalds, Yoga, Cars, (the list goes on...and on... and on) just because a few fringe liberties have been slightly more fuzzied? Fat chance.

[WallofYawn]

At 4/6/14 11:53 AM, orangebomb wrote: Please tell me that no one is believing what the OP is saying here, it should be pretty clear that this is sensationalization and exaggeration to the highest levels.

Believing? You assume I'm advocating something, which I'm not. I asked you guys to tell me whether it was possible or not, or any time soon. So, if you don't think it's possible, that's just as valid, cause all I wanna know is what YOU think. This thread isn't about what I think. I'm just putting it out there for discussion is all.

:: Those who advocate an American uprising are insane and stupid, especially when the issues don't really call for it, and what exactly would an uprising accomplish in the end?::

Valid point, and good question:

What exactly WOULD an uprising accomplish? What do you guys think? What would be the outcome to something like that? Anything positive or negative? What do you think?

[WallofYawn]

I'm not advocating anything, or endorsing anything. I just want to hear views for or against. It's simply a discussion, and I wanna hear from both sides, what people think.

[orangebomb]

At 4/7/14 01:21 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Believing? You assume I'm advocating something, which I'm not. I asked you guys to tell me whether it was possible or not, or any time soon. So, if you don't think it's possible, that's just as valid, cause all I wanna know is what YOU think. This thread isn't about what I think. I'm just putting it out there for discussion is all.

I do apologize if I tried to put words in your mouth on this subject, but the answer to your questions is still no. We've already had one in the 1860's, and almost another one 100 years after, this kind of thing is long past us.

What exactly WOULD an uprising accomplish?

Hypothetically speaking, an American uprising would lead to a global shutdown of both the economy and global stability. Don't think for one second that countries like Syria and North Korea will be free to let loose on their dastardly deeds when they realize that America is caught up in a rebellion, and the EU will probably be too gutless to make a move without America's support. Best case scenario, China and the EU pick up the slack, but would probably be a huge proxy war in both the Middle East and Korea, worse case scenario, you got a conventional WW3 on your hands.

Plus, it will take decades to repair all of the damage that an uprising would cause if it gets big enough. It wasn't until the mid 80's that Germany completely recovered from WW2 for example, and while a purely American uprising won't be that bad, it'll take a long time before people go back to normal, and repair whatever was destroyed.

Anything positive or negative?

Let's go through the positives and negatives:

+ No more "big government" to push us around (in some peoples minds that is)
+ No more IRS (because nobody likes them)

- Anarchy in the streets, either temporary or worse. At best it'll be like the Wild West in some places, while other places will scramble to maintain order. Worse case, expect to see raiders and bandits sporting Mohawks and paper-mâché spikes on football pads roving the streets looking for trouble on a daily basis, or expect towns and cities to close themselves to most outsiders.

- Global crash in the economy and fragile stability that America gives the world. In a lot of ways, America is like the lid of a pressure cooker, remove it, and the shit will hit the fan and you have a big mess on your hands.

- Shortages on toilet paper and cell phone service, not a pleasant thing to imagine life without because of fringe lunatics going apeshit en masse.

[WallofYawn]

Good points, although not all Americans are opposed to taxes, or the IRS. What I find issue with is not taxes, because anyone who doesn't want ANY taxes, is not looking at things logically. We need SOME taxes. However, I agree with most of my fellow Americans in that most taxes are unnecessary, unfair, or can be replaced by other taxes.

I would have no issues paying taxes as long as my taxes go into helping the economy and my society, and the invidiuals in it. For instance, property tax is pretty much unnecessary in my mind. I'd rather just pay a tax I know goes right to colleges, then pay tax on property, which funds colleges. Why? Because I know where my money is going, and because I'm a decent human being, I have no qualms about paying for people to go to college, feed themselves, or house themselves. I have no qualms paying for SSI or Medicare. I am opposed to federal income tax. I am not opposed to taxes on luxury items.

There's an actual idea/system I have in mind for this, but it's Socialist and would require redoing the entire US economic system, so I'm not going to expand upon that any further, to avoid argument, but suffice to say that I, and a good deal of other Americans are not necessarily anti-taxes, we're anti-taxation without representation, and what that means is we support taxes for the funding of the greater good, but don't support taxes which surve to only make money for the richest in power, or taxes that just have no point to them period.

[TheMason]

I actually think this is a fascinating question.

The answer is: yes. All of history points to American society splintering and breaking apart. All empires fall and shrink, and I doubt that we will be any different.

When will this happen? I don't know. 50 years? 100? Probably no more than 250 years from now.

Like the Greek, Roman, and English empires that came before us...we are a mish-mash of different cultures and attitudes trying to be one society. The more we try and be 'one' and seek national solutions to local problems/issues we will create more tension around the natural fault lines of our society.

Now, another problem is that we have it good. This is a double edged sword. On one hand, economic prosperity is good and makes our society stable. Too stable for revolution/uprising. However, that is also our undoing. The Greeks & Romans had their own versions of 'industrial revolutions' where merchant and middle classes developed. Along with this came notions of 'social justice' and 'spreading the wealth' (Marx did not invent Communism...just recognized collectivism as something that re-occurs throughout history). The problem comes when these social programs become fiscally unsustainable. This creates more dissatisfaction in economic bad times than what we've seen in previous economic bad times.

At some point the American system is not going to be able to provide the safety net they've promised...and at that point revolt will become possible.

[mile667]

As I ones said when it reaches critical mass no North Korea or Syria can stop it if you have system where 1%has all the wealth of the world while 99% has nothing but crumbs and where things are geting worst with each day.I think people need to stand up for there rights and fight to keep them no matter what, there are better ways to accomplish the fight for rights what Mahatma Gandhi taught us is fight the oppressor with no use of violance

[Kel-chan]

Not gonna happen.

25% of the the people in the US are obese and the rest are on some sort of gubbermint assistance. The only people talking crap are 50+ yr old men that are pissed. The youth are busy being retarded and being drugged up and playing Call of Dooty. We're a bunch of cowards that have watched to many movies. We're not hungry. We're not lean. We're a shadow of our forefathers.

Its just a bunch of loudmouthed fandango rangers

[Tony-DarkGrave]

OF COURSE THERE WILL BE! first the microwaves refuse to nuke then the thermostat will become sentient then BAM Skynet and T-1000s.

[DannyDaNinja]

The USA's like one big revolutionary war waiting to happen, now I don't know what kind of form this war will take, maybe not a war in the literal sense of combat and killing, but there's going to be some major changes, the way the US is today will not last for just longer, just give it 10 - 30 years.

[Feoric]

There will be a civil war between the next 1-9999999 years from now.

[Samuraikyo]

At 4/15/14 10:01 PM, DannyDaNinja wrote: The USA's like one big revolutionary war waiting to happen, now I don't know what kind of form this war will take, maybe not a war in the literal sense of combat and killing, but there's going to be some major changes, the way the US is today will not last for just longer, just give it 10 - 30 years.

I'm kind of under the impression that if there was ever a revolution in this country, it'll be based on the grounds of class warfare. The poor against the wealthy. I see no other reason in the near future. And even then I don't see it being guns and violence in the streets unless the government did not listen to the majority poor and sided with the wealthy. I more see it as widescale protests with riots, but nothing more than this.

[orangebomb]

Is it just me, or is there some obsession with people talking about an American rebellion, when there is hardly any grounds or an atmosphere for said rebellion? We're not living in perpetual poverty, and with all of the comforts of society, compared to the rest of the world, there is no need for an uprising and we really need to stop entertaining this possibility because of perceived liberties being threatened when they're really not.

Yeah, there are probably going to be some anti-government sociopaths who are willing to do this, but they're not exactly known for being right, nor are they popular for many reasons.

[Idiot-Finder]

At 4/16/14 04:46 PM, orangebomb wrote:

Yeah, there are probably going to be some anti-government sociopaths who are willing to do this, but they're not exactly known for being right, nor are they popular for many reasons.

Not only that, most of the time you get to see them over the internet posting conspiracy nonsense and brags about how they're going to start a revolution while doing nothing at the same time.

I think half the time they end up getting reported to the FBI.

[laughatyourfuneral]

If the corporations keep pissing on the poor then yes, however the intensity of the tinkling is being increased slowly which means the proletariat will be slowly infuriated, but if the corporations knew anything about what happens when you treat people like they do i'd be barricading the penthouse offices

[TheMason]

At 4/12/14 12:12 AM, Kel-chan wrote: Stupid shit.

Hey Idiot-finder...

...found one! :)

[HibiscusMallow]

Realistically, the economy would have to collapse first.

Speculatively, there is a chance that new technology could change the world in ways unseen that will cause revolt, like maybe new technology for controlling masses of people, it used to be that you could grabs your SKS and go inna woods, if millions of people did this you'd have to wreck the economy to stop the insurgents, but now you could in theory have tons of drones flying everywhere with IR cameras rooting everyone out, you could chip people like you chip pets.

I think this is more likely than some new ideology inspiring people to rebel, ideologies don't have as much effect as some people seem to think their own particular ideology will, though if someone actually comes up with new ideas for a change it might have an impact on politics, though it is unlikely to incite revolt unless the economic collapses or something.