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At 3/11/14 04:12 PM, misdreya wrote: I didn't tell you to let her know your opinion on what her place was. I told you to tell her your opinion that not only does she not work as hard as a man but REFUSES to work as hard as a man. I told you to tell her that through all her years of child rearing, as is her "place", she's actually been slacking off and refusing to work as hard as a man does. And I told you to look her in the face and tell her that even though she's spent all these years raising you, raising any other children she might have had, you don't respect her enough to think she can do anything else other than HR.

Why are you so obsessed with looking at this from an interpersonal, social, and emotional perspective? Why not just sit back and accept that Human Resources is staffed by an overwhelming majority of female workers and leadership roles are staffed by an overwhelming majority of male workers, and work from there?

At 3/11/14 04:12 PM, misdreya wrote: I didn't tell you

By work I mean working in the workplace. It is not in the woman's nature to work as though a man. My mother knew this too.

At 3/11/14 04:19 PM, 24901miles wrote:

At 3/11/14 04:12 PM, misdreya wrote: I didn't tell you to let her know your opinion on what her place was. I told you to tell her your opinion that not only does she not work as hard as a man but REFUSES to work as hard as a man. I told you to tell her that through all her years of child rearing, as is her "place", she's actually been slacking off and refusing to work as hard as a man does. And I told you to look her in the face and tell her that even though she's spent all these years raising you, raising any other children she might have had, you don't respect her enough to think she can do anything else other than HR.

Why are you so obsessed with looking at this from an interpersonal, social, and emotional perspective? Why not just sit back and accept that Human Resources is staffed by an overwhelming majority of female workers and leadership roles are staffed by an overwhelming majority of male workers, and work from there?

Alrighty lets work from there. I guess the first question would be why that is. On the one hand we have "Because women belong there." and on the other we have something like, "Because women were told throughout the ages that their place is in the kitchen and making babies, so for a long time women didn't strive for leadership positions because they didn't have access to them and didn't even think they could get them. The tide is turning but it won't turn overnight. There are still a lot of female workers in secretarial and human resources positions instead of leadership positions, because the aftermath of that sexist attitude still impacts our society's views today."

There's not much I can do about that sitting behind a computer, not matter which one is true.
All I can do is look at it from an emotional perspective, since someone saying that my gender is lesser evokes an emotional response from me, as it should from any thinking human being.

At 3/11/14 11:05 AM, misdreya wrote: I think everyone here is kinda missing the point.
I don't think anyone excepts the WORD BOSSY to be banned from out collective vocab. The point of the campaign is to bring to people's attention the attitude that women can not assert themselves without being looked at negatively for it. Personally I agree with that generalization! Nicki Minaj said herself, "When I am assertive, I'm a bitch. When a man is assertive, he bossed up. No negative connotation behind bossed up. Lots of negative connotation behind being a bitch."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzGZamtlRP0 - she really lays it down and this 2 minute interview really got me respecting her as more than a music icon.

It's not about the word bossy itself it's bringing attention to an inequality. PERSONALLY THOUGH I think hashtag campaigns often don't accomplish what they try to accomplish because they over generalize like this and use phrases like "banbossy" in order to get the message out to the masses, but what happens is the masses misunderstand as is evident here.

What needs to happen instead is something more on point and more personal. TV ads maybe, like they have nowadays that say "When you say something's gay, do you know what you say? Cut it out." That sort of thing. Because when it comes down to it how are we ever supposed to change our attitudes about something if no one is aware of the problem? It's just hashtag campaigns aren't the way to go.

The entirety of it is pointless. In today's castrated- er, politically correct society, women get away with much more verbal abuse than men do... women who stand up for themselves in my lifetime have been called "strong", "independent".... not "bossy". men in my lifetime who stand up for themselves have NEVER been exalted as a "leader" or "powerful".... more like they get branded "asshole", "bigot", and constantly under verbal abuse from (usually) women, being degraded for their desire for a role in leadership that they have been designed as humans to naturally strive for.

and before anybody tries to say women undergo verbal abuse, too, shut up now. thats not my point, as both men and women are obviously capable of being jerks.

what is missing from society and should REALLY be campaigned for is Mutual Respect... there's such a lack in my generation and even worse in newer generations. We shouldn't campaign for awareness against calling people "gay", "bossy", "a slut", "a fag", "retarded", "stupid", etc... we should be raising children and spreading awareness to simply not call people names in the first damn place.

i see this campaign as feminists exploiting another opportunity to build themselves up at the cost of tearing down the character of men... and if you disagree then answer this:

Do you think it'd be fair if the boy scouts campaigned against nagging?

Silly example, yes, but of course you would NOT approve of such a campaign. Men would be degrading women to exalt themselves by doing so... but is that not what this #BanBossy campaign is doing to men?
Oh, but campaigning against nagging is obviously referring to women, right? Yes, but isn't campaigning against being called "bossy" obviously referring to men? Like I said... mutual respect is the issue and the solution does not lie in drawing attention to the flaws of the opposite sex.

The solution is mutual respect.

At 3/11/14 04:19 PM, Lemonardo wrote:

At 3/11/14 04:12 PM, misdreya wrote: I didn't tell you

By work I mean working in the workplace. It is not in the woman's nature to work as though a man. My mother knew this too.

I see you back peddling more and more and the point is still the same; disrespect women as a whole and you include the women you love and who love you back.

At 3/11/14 04:26 PM, Rivkalaine wrote:
The entirety of it is pointless. In today's castrated- er, politically correct society, women get away with much more verbal abuse than men do... women who stand up for themselves in my lifetime have been called "strong", "independent".... not "bossy". men in my lifetime who stand up for themselves have NEVER been exalted as a "leader" or "powerful".... more like they get branded "asshole", "bigot", and constantly under verbal abuse from (usually) women, being degraded for their desire for a role in leadership that they have been designed as humans to naturally strive for.

and before anybody tries to say women undergo verbal abuse, too, shut up now. thats not my point, as both men and women are obviously capable of being jerks.

what is missing from society and should REALLY be campaigned for is Mutual Respect... there's such a lack in my generation and even worse in newer generations. We shouldn't campaign for awareness against calling people "gay", "bossy", "a slut", "a fag", "retarded", "stupid", etc... we should be raising children and spreading awareness to simply not call people names in the first damn place.

i see this campaign as feminists exploiting another opportunity to build themselves up at the cost of tearing down the character of men... and if you disagree then answer this:

Do you think it'd be fair if the boy scouts campaigned against nagging?

Silly example, yes, but of course you would NOT approve of such a campaign. Men would be degrading women to exalt themselves by doing so... but is that not what this #BanBossy campaign is doing to men?
Oh, but campaigning against nagging is obviously referring to women, right? Yes, but isn't campaigning against being called "bossy" obviously referring to men? Like I said... mutual respect is the issue and the solution does not lie in drawing attention to the flaws of the opposite sex.

The solution is mutual respect.

Mutual respect can go a long way yes. And I'm sorry that your experience has been as such, ick. You gotta remember though, there are a multitude of different experiences in the world. It's hard to look at things from a feminist pov if you've seen men get nothing but berated by women throughout the years. But true feminism really is about mutual respect, not dragging down men.

A campaign against nagging wouldn't be accepted largely for the same reason that a campaign for white power usually isn't. You've got a history of women having to fight for the right to vote in their own country, having to deal with laws in some states that allow their husband to beat them back in the day, having to deal with the general attitude that they're somehow lesser all around since basically the beginning of time, so when the gender that has historically been the cornerstone of these offenses creates another one, no matter how little, it isn't fair.

For that matter the campaign isn't about men calling women bossy, it's about everyone calling women bossy. Quite literally women can be their own worst enemy sometimes this I know for a fact.

But my point came down to the fact that I didn't like this campaign for how vague and off the point it was in the first place, so I'm not gonna expend that much energy actually defending it.

At 3/11/14 04:27 PM, misdreya wrote:

At 3/11/14 04:19 PM, Lemonardo wrote:

At 3/11/14 04:12 PM, misdreya wrote: I didn't tell you

By work I mean working in the workplace. It is not in the woman's nature to work as though a man. My mother knew this too.

I see you back peddling more and more and the point is still the same; disrespect women as a whole and you include the women you love and who love you back.

There is no disrespect in my words. To you, the idea of difference between any group of people seems offensive, regardless of any truth that may be behind it. A society in which all work as equal creates a state in which all people in society have equal and no value. That is Communism.

I laugh at those who denounce obvious truths, so that their childish addictions to empty sympathy are fulfilled, by the Leftist Machine that, through education and the media, also controls their views and beliefs.

At 3/11/14 03:10 PM, squidly wrote:

At 3/11/14 12:38 PM, ohbombuh wrote: You have your anecdotal evidence, and I already pointed out that mine goes to the contrary. So unless you have something more decisive, I don't think you'll convince many people to stop using the English language as they see fit. Sorry if you think I'm some kind of maniac for not supporting every new freedom-limiting bandwagon whenever a female complains.

It's also a freedom limiting bandwagon to not call people a n*gger or cracker. But go figure.

Alright, on the off chance you believe that's a solid argument, I'll bite. Those have specific racial meanings, while "bossy" has no gender connotation, or at least it didn't until these feminists announced that only girls get called bossy. Additionally, the former is distinctly connected to the history of slavery and segregation; the latter is considered rude but hardly banned in most cases.

Trying to compare the fact that women are not universally seen as the natural order-givers of humanity with everything that happened to black people while the n-word was popularly used is probably the most absurd white knight tactic there is. But I digress, you're probably just trying to whip me into a frenzy at this point.

I fully support what this campaign is trying to do, allowing women to assert themselves and be seen as leaders, but is this really the right way to do it? "Bossy" isn't a sexist term, boys can be bossy too. It's not the word that's the problem, it's the mentality that causes people to misuse it.

Devil's advocate here, but I think the point of these campaigns isn't actually trying to eradicate a word from the lexicon, but rather to grab people's attention and maybe they'll stop and think about how they might be treating women differently without realizing it.

I think it's more about using the word properly.

We sometimes jokingly refer to my 5 year old brother as a diva, because he acts like that sometimes.

If a girl, or boy, is being bossy, call them out on it.

If they are simply being assertive or displaying leadership, treat it as such.

Fuck no, don't "ban bossy," even if that is a perceived gender stereotype, just learn to use the word more effectively and in appropriate situations.

Duh.

At 3/11/14 05:04 PM, Jercurpac wrote: Devil's advocate here, but I think the point of these campaigns isn't actually trying to eradicate a word from the lexicon, but rather to grab people's attention and maybe they'll stop and think about how they might be treating women differently without realizing it.

In a nutshell.

At 3/11/14 04:36 PM, Lemonardo wrote:
I laugh at those who denounce obvious truths, so that their childish addictions to empty sympathy are fulfilled, by the Leftist Machine that, through education and the media, also controls their views and beliefs.

Oh my goodness.
How AM I going to be an optimist about this.

At 3/11/14 06:09 PM, misdreya wrote: Oh my goodness.
How AM I going to be an optimist about this.

By taking our side and resisting the Communist threat.

At 3/11/14 06:14 PM, Lemonardo wrote: By taking our side and resisting the Communist threat.

Ladies and gentlemen, Lemonardo.

Ah shit, Beyonce's at it? Fuck it, don't ban bossy.

At 3/11/14 05:04 PM, Jercurpac wrote: Devil's advocate here, but I think the point of these campaigns isn't actually trying to eradicate a word from the lexicon, but rather to grab people's attention and maybe they'll stop and think about how they might be treating women differently without realizing it.

Exactly my thoughts.

At 3/11/14 04:43 PM, ohbombuh wrote:

At 3/11/14 03:10 PM, squidly wrote: It's also a freedom limiting bandwagon to not call people a n*gger or cracker. But go figure.

Alright, on the off chance you believe that's a solid argument, I'll bite. Those have specific racial meanings, while "bossy" has no gender connotation, or at least it didn't until these feminists announced that only girls get called bossy. Additionally, the former is distinctly connected to the history of slavery and segregation; the latter is considered rude but hardly banned in most cases.

Trying to compare the fact that women are not universally seen as the natural order-givers of humanity with everything that happened to black people while the n-word was popularly used is probably the most absurd white knight tactic there is. But I digress, you're probably just trying to whip me into a frenzy at this point.

The idea is that a man who gives orders is considered a dominating alpha male who knows what he wants and how to get it. While a girl, this IS what happens, who does the exact same thing is considered a dominating bitch.

At 3/10/14 06:25 PM, Jester wrote: A friend of mine was once called "bossy" and she killed herself

Why would she do that just because of being called bossy?!

At 3/11/14 04:36 PM, misdreya wrote:

At 3/11/14 04:26 PM, Rivkalaine wrote:
The entirety of it is pointless. In today's castrated- er, politically correct society, women get away with much more verbal abuse than men do... women who stand up for themselves in my lifetime have been called "strong", "independent".... not "bossy". men in my lifetime who stand up for themselves have NEVER been exalted as a "leader" or "powerful".... more like they get branded "asshole", "bigot", and constantly under verbal abuse from (usually) women, being degraded for their desire for a role in leadership that they have been designed as humans to naturally strive for.

and before anybody tries to say women undergo verbal abuse, too, shut up now. thats not my point, as both men and women are obviously capable of being jerks.

what is missing from society and should REALLY be campaigned for is Mutual Respect... there's such a lack in my generation and even worse in newer generations. We shouldn't campaign for awareness against calling people "gay", "bossy", "a slut", "a fag", "retarded", "stupid", etc... we should be raising children and spreading awareness to simply not call people names in the first damn place.

i see this campaign as feminists exploiting another opportunity to build themselves up at the cost of tearing down the character of men... and if you disagree then answer this:

Do you think it'd be fair if the boy scouts campaigned against nagging?

Silly example, yes, but of course you would NOT approve of such a campaign. Men would be degrading women to exalt themselves by doing so... but is that not what this #BanBossy campaign is doing to men?
Oh, but campaigning against nagging is obviously referring to women, right? Yes, but isn't campaigning against being called "bossy" obviously referring to men? Like I said... mutual respect is the issue and the solution does not lie in drawing attention to the flaws of the opposite sex.

The solution is mutual respect.

Mutual respect can go a long way yes. And I'm sorry that your experience has been as such, ick. You gotta remember though, there are a multitude of different experiences in the world. It's hard to look at things from a feminist pov if you've seen men get nothing but berated by women throughout the years. But true feminism really is about mutual respect, not dragging down men.

A campaign against nagging wouldn't be accepted largely for the same reason that a campaign for white power usually isn't. You've got a history of women having to fight for the right to vote in their own country, having to deal with laws in some states that allow their husband to beat them back in the day, having to deal with the general attitude that they're somehow lesser all around since basically the beginning of time, so when the gender that has historically been the cornerstone of these offenses creates another one, no matter how little, it isn't fair.

For that matter the campaign isn't about men calling women bossy, it's about everyone calling women bossy. Quite literally women can be their own worst enemy sometimes this I know for a fact.

But my point came down to the fact that I didn't like this campaign for how vague and off the point it was in the first place, so I'm not gonna expend that much energy actually defending it.

actually, i've witnessed such berating from everywhere but in my own home. my mother respected my father and my father loved my mother. thats functional. and, in a way, i was sort of agreeing with you. i already know first hand how badly women beat each other up. i simply find it comically ironic though that women find that overcoming years of "male oppression" have been by becoming more like men.
i wouldn't catagorize men based on the flaws of some, likewise with women. its unfortunate what women dealt with in the past but, now that we have freedom, i feel like this is just whiny and not even a legit issue.
i'm thankful for the right to vote, work, etc. i just see campaigns like this nit-picking something that doesn't ultimately get to the source of a problem... therefore a campaign like this comes across (to me) as, "we're suffering, heres how, just wanted you to know".
i'm very fortunate as a woman to have a husband like rahmemhotep who understands that i need respect, but above that, love... and likewise i understand that he needs love, but moreso respect. i never tolerated with crap from men... it was never an issue. but when i hear of the verbal abuse stories he's been subjected to from ex girlfriends of the past, it tears me up. its an eye opener to just how much we've defeminized women via the modern feminist movement.
it'd be nice to see the girl scouts support something a lot less trivial and people in general to realize women aren't the only victims in today's world. we aren't in 1950 anymore, but what few issues we DO have... this should be low on the priority list.

also to add: ask any man if he thinks the feminist movement is about mutual respect and see what he says.

I can't tell which is worse, these dopes that want to whine about a word towards females who show some sort of leadership or people who are taking this shit seriously. Is everyone so thin-skinned that a minor childish insult gets everyone up at arms? God forbid we need another sham on a witch hunt for something that really isn't a problem.

In other words, this is a joke of a protest, brought up by those who have too much time on their hands, seriously.

Women will never be a boss, they're just "bossy".

At 3/11/14 08:01 PM, orangebomb wrote: In other words, this is a joke of a protest, brought up by those who have too much time on their hands, seriously.

Give it a year and it will become serious. It always does with Jew-led movements like this.

At 3/11/14 07:27 PM, MyNameIsMia wrote:

At 3/10/14 06:25 PM, Jester wrote: A friend of mine was once called "bossy" and she killed herself

Why would she do that just because of being called bossy?!

she was also very ugly

At 3/11/14 07:03 PM, squidly wrote:

At 3/11/14 04:43 PM, ohbombuh wrote:

At 3/11/14 03:10 PM, squidly wrote: It's also a freedom limiting bandwagon to not call people a n*gger or cracker. But go figure.

The idea is that a man who gives orders is considered a dominating alpha male who knows what he wants and how to get it. While a girl, this IS what happens, who does the exact same thing is considered a dominating bitch.

But that's not inherently bound up with the word bossy, and you're seriously deluding yourself if you think men don't commonly face criticism for acting dominant.

At 3/11/14 08:49 PM, ohbombuh wrote: But that's not inherently bound up with the word bossy, and you're seriously deluding yourself if you think men don't commonly face criticism for acting dominant.

Not nearly as much. Men are encouraged to have "command."

At 3/11/14 09:12 PM, squidly wrote:

At 3/11/14 08:49 PM, ohbombuh wrote: But that's not inherently bound up with the word bossy, and you're seriously deluding yourself if you think men don't commonly face criticism for acting dominant.

Not nearly as much. Men are encouraged to have "command."

Not all men are encouraged to become leaders. Only certain ones.

At 3/11/14 09:47 PM, Profanity wrote: Not all men are encouraged to become leaders. Only certain ones.

*white ones