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What's your opinion on this statement? Do you agree with it or is the very notion of it laughably insane?

Anyone who has read the Quran will tell you otherwise.

Anyone who has an ulterior motive such as "reforming Islam for the modern world" or "apologizing for Islamic violence" will try to pass this shit off as factual.

At 3/5/14 07:45 PM, Havegum wrote: I don't know enough about the Islam beliefs to answer properly, for all I know it's as peaceful as any religion only it's painted in the colours of the most extremist followers.

My ass!

No religion is a religion of peace.

At 3/5/14 07:48 PM, Addict wrote: "a religion of peace"

more like a religion of pieces of bodies on the sidewalk after a suicide bombing

fuckin' towel-heads

He's been dealt with. Carry on a flame free conversation.

At 3/5/14 07:45 PM, Havegum wrote: I don't know enough about the Islam beliefs to answer properly, for all I know it's as peaceful as any religion only it's painted in the colours of the most extremist followers.

But that's wrong, the problem with Islam isn't the Islamic fundamentalists, it's the fundamentals of Islam. To sat Islam is as peaceful as Jainism would be just an outright lie.

Sam Harris lays it out very well.

At 3/5/14 07:52 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 3/5/14 07:48 PM, Addict wrote: "a religion of peace"

more like a religion of pieces of bodies on the sidewalk after a suicide bombing

fuckin' towel-heads

He's been dealt with. Carry on a flame free conversation.

What the fuck is wrong with this forum that people can't even talk about current events without getting banned? Radical Islamists use suicide bombers every fucking month. It's not some made-up bullshit like the rules on this site.

At 3/5/14 08:02 PM, Profanity wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with this forum that people can't even talk about current events without getting banned? Radical Islamists use suicide bombers every fucking month. It's not some made-up bullshit like the rules on this site.

Talk about current events all you want. The OP is. Just don't reduce any groups into a really fucking racist simplification when you do so. I'm glad we had this talk.

At 3/5/14 07:52 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 3/5/14 07:48 PM, Addict wrote: "a religion of peace"

more like a religion of pieces of bodies on the sidewalk after a suicide bombing

fuckin' towel-heads

He's been dealt with. Carry on a flame free conversation.

1. No one, I repeat, no one on this site, is going to become upset over a statement like his

2. For whatever reason, we can joke around about cannibalism, pedophilia, beastiality, incest, murder, and poop, but when it comes to anything remotely religious it's month long bans all around

3. Religion is terrible

2. For whatever reason, we can joke around about cannibalism, pedophilia, beastiality, incest, murder, and poop, but when it comes to anything remotely religious it's month long bans all around

you forgot rape :)

3. Religion is terrible

maybe you should explain why

At 3/5/14 08:07 PM, Xenomit wrote:

1. No one, I repeat, no one on this site, is going to become upset over a statement like his

2. For whatever reason, we can joke around about cannibalism, pedophilia, beastiality, incest, murder, and poop, but when it comes to anything remotely religious it's month long bans all around

First off, the fact I allowed this thread to exists proves you're wrong. Secondly, the ban was because he used the term "towel heads" That's racist. Say whatever you want on either side of the issue but do it civilly and without using racist language.

Islam is not a unified faith anymore. There are sects that are violent and many that are not, but in the end you can't just say the whole of Islam is one or the other. It's kind of sad, really. People are being called terrorists for peacefully living their life as Sunni Muslims

At 3/5/14 08:02 PM, Profanity wrote: What the fuck is wrong with this forum that people can't even talk about current events without getting banned? Radical Islamists use suicide bombers every fucking month. It's not some made-up bullshit like the rules on this site.

Yeah, because saying that Islam is a world of dumb towel-heads shows in depth comprehension of a culture that is very diverse, and also shows a will to "talk about" current events. The guy is a fucking moron, don't back him up.

You want to criticize an ideology, and religions do count as an ideology, than it's fine. You want to be a retarded racist cunt, that's another story.

At 3/5/14 08:14 PM, stafffighter wrote: First off, the fact I allowed this thread to exists proves you're wrong. Secondly, the ban was because he used the term "towel heads" That's racist. Say whatever you want on either side of the issue but do it civilly and without using racist language.

As the OP I'd like to thank you, it is because people like that, you cannot be a critic of Islam without having hordes of Islam apologists calling you a 'racist' in order to silence you.

No god holding divine power can be civil and just. If god exists in any religion, I wouldn't worship them.

At 3/5/14 08:46 PM, Profanity wrote: So being offensive to Muslims and Sikhs by saying "towel heads" as an insult is justifiably bannable?

Yeah.

No. Fuck your double standard.

NG has a loooong history of abhoring racism. Try typing in a certain word that starts with "n" and see what happens. Try smart assing around that consequence and I'll TELL you what happens (actually, I think you can guess)

NG has one of the most liberal forums on the internet. We allow just about every kind of language, except prejudice, racist, or excessively hateful language. Most forums would ban you forever simply for swearing. If you DON'T like the rules YOU agreed to by registering an account and making a post on these boards, I suggest you find a different way to occupy your time, or before that, let Tom know how you feel and see if he agrees with you. The moderators are volunteers, here to enforce the rules that Mr. Fulp has decided he wants his forums governed by.

Discussion in this vein is over. PM the appropriate authorities if you aren't satisfied with this explanation. Further public discussion will result in consequences. Back to the thread.

WE BELIEVE further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god, and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together.

- Honorable Elijah Muhammad, Message to the Blackman in America

At 3/5/14 09:05 PM, Sekhem wrote: WE BELIEVE further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god, and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together.

- Honorable Elijah Muhammad, Message to the Blackman in America

There is something very imperialistic and close-minded within monotheist religions. If you have a view that there is only one God, one good interpretation of what the world, morality, life, etc. is, I doubt that you'll have much open-mindedness to any kind of democratic and free debate on what is right and wrong. To me, this kind of discourse is pretty much the same as the American army's logic of "giving freedom" to other countries by invading them and forcing their politics and views on them.

It's all just dogmatic and imperialistic thinking, really.

Religion is what you make of it.

Sadly, some people make shitty things of it.

At 3/5/14 09:16 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: It's all just dogmatic and imperialistic thinking, really.

And what are you going to do about it exactly? Debate me until I change my mind into some Western, white way of thinking?

Do you want to deracinate me and others like me? Take away our religion and culture until it is nothing?

Isn't that the where the real imperialism and dogmatic thinking comes from? Colonization of the mind?

At 3/5/14 09:20 PM, TB1ZZL3 wrote: Religion is what you make of it.

Sadly, some people make shitty things of it.

This relativistic approach is wrong. If the paper says "Kill all the traitors", sure you might have some latitude in your interpretation of what "traitors" are, but the paper still says "Kill..." so no, religion is not just what you make of it.

It really depends on what your definition of religion is two. If someone decides to leave out some aspects of the religion, and follow others, than what do you call "religion" in this specific case? Is it the practice of the individual that is a religion, or is it the actual paper, book, tale, etc. that is the religion. Because like I said before, if the paper says "Kill all traitors", than no, the religion is not just some kind of neutral stuff that you can bend in whichever way you want.

At 3/5/14 09:23 PM, Sekhem wrote: And what are you going to do about it exactly? Debate me until I change my mind into some Western, white way of thinking?

You have big issues with white people, son. Don't force this crap on me.

Do you want to deracinate me and others like me? Take away our religion and culture until it is nothing?

I will surely not force anything upon you. I'm having a discussion here with others who are willing to have it. You have all the freedom to answer me, ignore me, or basically do whatever you want. You are free to belief whatever you want.

Isn't that the where the real imperialism and dogmatic thinking comes from? Colonization of the mind?

No, because I'm not forcing anything upon you. Just stating the imperialistic nature of an ideology that is very imperialistic in it's beliefs. Try to make some kind of sense here. If you are against white supremacist ideologies, you are not being intolerant. Don't bring this "relativist" nonsense in here. It's not racism or discursive colonization to do some good ol'fashioned analysis of discursive content.

At 3/5/14 09:31 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 3/5/14 09:23 PM, Sekhem wrote: And what are you going to do about it exactly? Debate me until I change my mind into some Western, white way of thinking?

You have big issues with white people, son. Don't force this crap on me.

Your race forced slavery on mine. I have every right to throw this shit right back in your face.

Don't try to be "analytic" and ahistorical with me.

You want me to forget my "dogmatic" and "imperialistic" religion so that I can be a good secular boy (read: "act white") without a resistance culture to call my own. It's colonization, pure and simple.

If you are against white supremacist ideologies, you are not being intolerant.

I'm against anti-black ideologies. That's a much more far reaching position that simply being "anti-white supremacist." Who cares about white supremacists in 2014? It's a stupid fringe position of outsiders and those lacking power. I care about taking power away from whites who actually have it and use it to negatively impact the black community.

Try to make some kind of sense here.

Try not to be a racist. Whoops, too late.

There was once this video on Youtube (one of those parody videos that takes children's shows and makes them swear a lot, taken down years ago) that began with "Barney and Friends is sponsored by the religion of peace. So peaceful that if you disrespect our prophet, we'll burn down your cities!"