PSUs with monitor outlets...

[Conal]

Can someone explain to me why so few PSUs these days have a monitor power port at the back?

I happen to have a working one, but it's all old and stuff.

[DrClay]

At 3/5/14 02:26 PM, Conal wrote: Can someone explain to me why so few PSUs these days have a monitor power port at the back?

I happen to have a working one, but it's all old and stuff.

I think its because a lot of people use HDMI now.

[Painbringer]

Maybe because not everyone appreciates having their monitor turning off when their computer does?

My 486 Overdrive PC used to have that.

[DrClay]

At 3/5/14 02:37 PM, Painbringer wrote: Maybe because not everyone appreciates having their monitor turning off when their computer does?

My 486 Overdrive PC used to have that.

I never had a PC that did that...

[Painbringer]

At 3/5/14 02:39 PM, DrClay wrote: I never had a PC that did that...

Well, my PC was from 1994.

Here's a random picture of what one might look like:

Notice the funny looking outlet at the top? That is for the monitor.

[DrClay]

At 3/5/14 02:49 PM, Painbringer wrote:

At 3/5/14 02:39 PM, DrClay wrote: I never had a PC that did that...

Well, my PC was from 1994.

Hmm,
They must of stopped them in 1995 because my Windows 95 didn't do that.

Unless other computers besides Windows still did it, I dunno.

[Conal]

At 3/5/14 02:28 PM, DrClay wrote: I think its because a lot of people use HDMI now.

Are you dumb?

At 3/5/14 02:37 PM, Painbringer wrote: Maybe because not everyone appreciates having their monitor turning off when their computer does?

That doesn't make sense, unless your monitor was a TV and used a compatible power cable.

My 486 Overdrive PC used to have that.

I see. I've heard that the wattage rating doesn't matter an that the power just goes straight through the PSU and out to the monitor.

At 3/5/14 02:52 PM, DrClay wrote: They must of stopped them in 1995 because my Windows 95 didn't do that.

Unless other computers besides Windows still did it, I dunno.

What does the operating system have to do with anything?

I should have known better than to ask the General Forum.

[DrClay]

At 3/5/14 04:07 PM, Conal wrote: rage

You don't have to be a complete asshole about it.
Why not ask someone who is actually in that field of business?

[Evark]

Seems useless. It also presents the possibility that without proper shielding, your power cables will cause image issues by interfering with your VGA/HDMI/whatever cables. I'd be willing to bet that it's simply because nobody really cared about having that feature in their PSUs, so there was no incentive for companies to build them in. They already don't make sense in a server, so given the move toward laptops and tablets in the consumer market I can imagine there's very little incentive indeed for including a 230v out port on a PSU.

I mean, think about it. You're already going to have all your power running to your UPS or power strip as it is. Most people don't trust plugging their machines directly into the wall in case of a power surge that would possibly ruin their equipment. Do you want the possibility of your monitor being ruined as well? It's an added complexity with little positive tradeoff.

[Conal]

At 3/5/14 04:13 PM, Evark wrote: Seems useless. It also presents the possibility that without proper shielding, your power cables will cause image issues by interfering with your VGA/HDMI/whatever cables.

I see. But there are a lot of things online for people who like to be over-kill, and so I thought there would be at least a few being manufactured for (like you said) cables with proper shielding.

I'd be willing to bet that it's simply because nobody really cared about having that feature in their PSUs, so there was no incentive for companies to build them in. They already don't make sense in a server, so given the move toward laptops and tablets in the consumer market I can imagine there's very little incentive indeed for including a 230v out port on a PSU.

Oh, damn. I could get some use out of that, I think it helps with cable management, although I haven't done it for about 8 years.

I mean, think about it. You're already going to have all your power running to your UPS or power strip as it is. Most people don't trust plugging their machines directly into the wall in case of a power surge that would possibly ruin their equipment. Do you want the possibility of your monitor being ruined as well? It's an added complexity with little positive tradeoff.

I guess that makes sense. The main reason I want one is because it leaves more plug space available on the strip. So, after measuring the power being drawn, you can roughly judge what smaller devices to add to the strip.

It's also just one less thick cable going from the computer to the mains.

At 3/5/14 04:13 PM, DrClay wrote: Why not ask someone who is actually in that field of business?

Why answer an open question if you don't know the answer?

[DrClay]

At 3/5/14 04:44 PM, Conal wrote:

At 3/5/14 04:13 PM, DrClay wrote: Why not ask someone who is actually in that field of business?

Why answer an open question if you don't know the answer?

I simply made a mistake and misread the question.

[Stealth-Emergence]

At 3/5/14 04:49 PM, DrClay wrote:

At 3/5/14 04:44 PM, Conal wrote:

At 3/5/14 04:13 PM, DrClay wrote: Why not ask someone who is actually in that field of business?

Why answer an open question if you don't know the answer?

I simply made a mistake and misread the question.

You're a very naughty boy :P

Don't do it again >:(

[Conal]

At 3/5/14 04:49 PM, DrClay wrote: I simply made a mistake and misread the question.

Oh, I'm sorry. What did you think the question was?

[DrClay]

At 3/5/14 04:52 PM, Conal wrote:

At 3/5/14 04:49 PM, DrClay wrote: I simply made a mistake and misread the question.

Oh, I'm sorry. What did you think the question was?

I dunno why but I read the question and its logic entirely wrong...
For some reason I read PSU as VGUI, and thought you were wondering why VGUI wasn't a connection for Monitor outlets anymore... which I doubt even makes sense.
I was stupid enough to post before thinking.
That's the last time I post in a topic right after waking up.
Sorry for the mistake.

[Stealth-Emergence]

At 3/5/14 04:58 PM, DrClay wrote: That's the last time I post in a topic right after waking up.

I think there should be a "just woke up?" test!

like a drink driving test, if a forum poster has just woken up and they violate this rule, they get their hands and feet cut off.

zero tolerance, this should ensure there are no repeat offenders

[Sword-of-Kings]

I've never heard of a PSU that also powers the monitor.

[DrClay]

At 3/5/14 05:01 PM, Stealth-Emergence wrote: I think there should be a "just woke up?" test!
like a drink driving test, if a forum poster has just woken up and they violate this rule, they get their hands and feet cut off.
zero tolerance, this should ensure there are no repeat offenders

Oh shit, I better be more careful for now on...

[Stealth-Emergence]

At 3/5/14 05:29 PM, DrClay wrote:

At 3/5/14 05:01 PM, Stealth-Emergence wrote: I think there should be a "just woke up?" test!
like a drink driving test, if a forum poster has just woken up and they violate this rule, they get their hands and feet cut off.
zero tolerance, this should ensure there are no repeat offenders

Oh shit, I better be more careful for now on...

Yeah, I hear the NG-Dildo-Police patrol this part of the internet, those fascist, arse-invading, cock gobblers.

they take no prisoners.

[DrClay]

Anyway, back to the topic. Wouldn't having the PSU using some of its power to power up the monitor cause some limitation in the computer itself? You know, making the PSU do more work then necessary in powering the monitor?
I would think that with the monitor getting power from an external outlet instead of the PSU itself and only displaying the content it would use less power from the PSU and allow it to be used for other aspects.
Especially if your video card demands a lot of power..

I know it would be a short percentage but still.

Or I could be completely wrong again. Just saying.

[Painbringer]

At 3/5/14 04:07 PM, Conal wrote:

At 3/5/14 02:37 PM, Painbringer wrote: Maybe because not everyone appreciates having their monitor turning off when their computer does?

That doesn't make sense, unless your monitor was a TV and used a compatible power cable.

Well, back in the old days of CRT displays, an unplugged monitor would take significantly longer to reach full brightness than one that was simply turned off for several hours.

It is because of the extra power consumption that the power companies tell you to unplug (or get rid of) your CRT devices when you're not using them.

[Conal]

At 3/5/14 05:48 PM, DrClay wrote: Anyway, back to the topic. Wouldn't having the PSU using some of its power to power up the monitor cause some limitation in the computer itself?
Or I could be completely wrong again. Just saying.

Well, you ignoramus; the amount of power in the PSU has nothing to do with the monitor outlet, that power simply passes through the PSU; much like a power socket strip distributes electricity across more than one channel.

[KatMaestro]

What Evark said, it's will be terrible for sheilding.

Also, they usually charge more for this type of PSU. Why not just buy a standard one from ebay or newegg?

[Conal]

At 3/5/14 11:36 PM, Elitistinen wrote: What Evark said, it's will be terrible for sheilding.

Also, they usually charge more for this type of PSU. Why not just buy a standard one from ebay or newegg?

It's not a huge advantage, I agree; it's just a little more convenient for cable management. So if it's not too much hassle, I think it's a good idea.

The only reason I haven't done it with my current computer is because I don't have the lead required for this ancient technique. :L

[Conal]

At 3/6/14 10:20 PM, Iheartaliens wrote: because technology changes

I think you'll find that the standardizations used in both computer and monitor power cords are much the same as they've been for decades.

[Master-X]

...To prevent drunken customers whose pet hedgehogs chew through the cords to get the rings inside from filing a wrongful death (of hedgehog) suit?

[Conal]

At 3/6/14 10:36 PM, Iheartaliens wrote: and then they made the laptop

Sorry to have detrimentally confused your diminutively proportioned discernment, but I'm actually talking about the PSUs you would find at the back of your desktop tower, specifically the ones with a monitor outlet.

[DrClay]

At 3/6/14 10:37 PM, Master-X wrote: ...To prevent drunken customers whose pet hedgehogs chew through the cords to get the rings inside from filing a wrongful death (of hedgehog) suit?

I think you're the one who is drunk.

[Entice]

Mine doesn't have one
My monitor plugs into my wall (or, my surge protector then the wall)

[NeonSpider]

I can think of a few reasons.

1) Power strips exist
2) Exceedingly few people even want that feature on PSUs
3) It's more trouble than it's worth.

There are lots of features on older computers I miss. This is not one of them. This really isn't useful in any meaningful way.

[KatMaestro]

At 3/6/14 10:44 PM, Conal wrote:

At 3/6/14 10:36 PM, Iheartaliens wrote: and then they made the laptop

Sorry to have detrimentally confused your diminutively proportioned discernment, but I'm actually talking about the PSUs you would find at the back of your desktop tower, specifically the ones with a monitor outlet.

Those who use laptop can never have the fun of modding your PC.