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I believe Genesis is a superior machine, especially for its wonderful FM synthesis, but SNES had better exclusive games.

Genesis I guess but only because it had Golden Axe.

While the Genesis had some great games (Shadowrun, Zero Wing, Shinobi 3, etc), the SNES console was home of some of the greatest games in that time (Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy III/VI, Secret of Mana etc). I'm just glad to say it was an honor to own both consoles.

I've always wanted to travel back in time just so I could live this debate.

Today, I'd say the Genesis, because I've always found its story to be inspiring (they're even making a documentary/movie about it called "Console Wars").

If I were living back then, however, I'm not so sure. Nowadays, I try to stick with the cheaper console, so the Genesis would have been the one for me. Mario and Sonic both sound cool, and I wouldn't touch games like Star Fox or Double Dragon, so I guess that's a matter of preference. At the end of the day, though, the Genesis will always be my winner...because I've gotta go fast.

At 3/1/14 10:12 PM, SmashLuigiFan1 wrote: Wait, Strider 2 is a PS1 game? I could've sword it was for the Genesis.

Nope, PS1. Genesis would never be able to pull off the graphics.

I can't really play those as those as I don't own the games. I would emulate them, but playing on a keyboard that limits you to two key pushes at most is really limiting control wise. Since those games are (supposedly) difficult, I'd rather not deal with that kind of frustration. Granted, I haven't tested them out to see if they do work with my keyboard (Revenge of Shinobi and Streets of Rage did) so I'm going to try it.

I really wanna get a game pad. Actually, I'd like to get a Magic Joy Box, which lets you plug in a Game Cube, PS2, or original X Box controller.

Also, what's wrong with Jewel Master? I've never heard of it until now, but the game looks fun. Is it brutally difficult or something?

Yeah. You have to put it on easy mode just to make it past the tiger in the very first level. And even then, level 3 is IMPOSSIBLE. The idea of the game is cool, though, collecting rings and combining two on each hand for different effects.

Also, I hate to be "that guy," but am I the only person who felt Super Mario World was very same-y? It wasn't really that interesting to be honest.

Well, yeah, it was fun, but it didn't really do anything cool. It doesn't take advantage of the console like Mario 3 did.

I really don't know what you mean.

I also dislike how you have to find all 96 pathways to complete the game instead of just have access to all the levels. It's annoying as I won't necessarily know which pathway I already found in something like the Forest of Illusion. The rest of the game is fine, but it's certainly not revolutionary like how a lot of people say it is.

That's the only problem I have with it.

By the way, another cool Genesis game is Devil Crash MD. I haven't played it myself, but my older brother did. It's essentially Pinball with a Satanic theme around it. Graphically, it's really nice to look at. The music is freaking awesome as well. One of the songs sound like it would be in Castlevania, while another reminds me of Puyo Puyo.

I hadn't heard of that one, but another good Genesis game I thought of is Arrow Flash.

At 3/3/14 06:04 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 3/1/14 10:12 PM, SmashLuigiFan1 wrote: Wait, Strider 2 is a PS1 game? I could've sword it was for the Genesis.

Nope, PS1. Genesis would never be able to pull off the graphics.

I've never actually seen the second game, I only knew about. I looked it up just now and the game looks pretty awesome. Kind of reminds me of another game for the N64 that I've seen called Mischief Makers because they're both sidescrollers that weren't 2D.

I can't really play those as those as I don't own the games. I would emulate them, but playing on a keyboard that limits you to two key pushes at most is really limiting control wise. Since those games are (supposedly) difficult, I'd rather not deal with that kind of frustration. Granted, I haven't tested them out to see if they do work with my keyboard (Revenge of Shinobi and Streets of Rage did) so I'm going to try it.

I really wanna get a game pad. Actually, I'd like to get a Magic Joy Box, which lets you plug in a Game Cube, PS2, or original X Box controller.

My brother bought two USB Genesis controller converters 5 years ago but he never uses them lets me use them. I once had something like Magic Joy Box, but it was for the YWR ports of a TV so you wouldn't need the GC's, PS2's, or the Xbox's AV input wires.

Also, what's wrong with Jewel Master? I've never heard of it until now, but the game looks fun. Is it brutally difficult or something?

Yeah. You have to put it on easy mode just to make it past the tiger in the very first level. And even then, level 3 is IMPOSSIBLE. The idea of the game is cool, though, collecting rings and combining two on each hand for different effects.

What makes level 3 impossible?

Also, I hate to be "that guy," but am I the only person who felt Super Mario World was very same-y? It wasn't really that interesting to be honest.

Well, yeah, it was fun, but it didn't really do anything cool. It doesn't take advantage of the console like Mario 3 did.

I really don't know what you mean.

Think of games like Kirby SuperStar or Ristar. Both of those games were released late into their respective console's lifespan and were very advanced because of that. In fact, Kirby games tend to always be like that (see Kirby's Adventure and Dreamland 3). Mario 3 did just that, while also adding new things to the Mario formula that have been staples since. Things like a world map, flight being incorporated in the gameplay, etcetera.

As for Mario World, it's a launch title. All it could really do is show off what the console could do as all launch titles do. It did add new things, but nothing really as ground breaking as SMB3. Other than the introduction of Yoshi, what else did Mario World do for the franchise?

Honestly, I'm so confused on why the game is constantly being called the best SNES game. Imagine if most people said "Altered Beast is the best Genesis game!" Wouldn't that be a bit weird? It's not that either of these games are bad or anything (they're both actually pretty cool), they're just not the greatest thing since sliced bread.

By the way, another cool Genesis game is Devil Crash MD. I haven't played it myself, but my older brother did. It's essentially Pinball with a Satanic theme around it. Graphically, it's really nice to look at. The music is freaking awesome as well. One of the songs sound like it would be in Castlevania, while another reminds me of Puyo Puyo.

I hadn't heard of that one, but another good Genesis game I thought of is Arrow Flash.

Looks pretty fun, even though I'm very unfamiliar with the SMHUP genre. A really cool Genesis game is WWF WrestleMania: The Arcade Game. It was also for the SNES, PS1, Saturn, and 32x. All versions of the game are really good, but the SNES version is missing 2 of the 8 characters, so that's the worst port.

At 3/3/14 08:42 PM, SmashLuigiFan1 wrote: I've never actually seen the second game, I only knew about. I looked it up just now and the game looks pretty awesome. Kind of reminds me of another game for the N64 that I've seen called Mischief Makers because they're both sidescrollers that weren't 2D.

Strider 2 and Mischief Makers are both among my favorite games.

What makes level 3 impossible?

Try getting across the level. You will die, then start over, then die again until you run out of lives. You're just bombarded with enemies in every direction, which is the same case for part of level 2, but worse. Though there is apparently a ring combo that gives you an attack that's three fireballs in a spread shot that would make things much more manageable, but I dunno how you get that.

Looks pretty fun, even though I'm very unfamiliar with the SMHUP genre. A really cool Genesis game is WWF WrestleMania: The Arcade Game. It was also for the SNES, PS1, Saturn, and 32x. All versions of the game are really good, but the SNES version is missing 2 of the 8 characters, so that's the worst port.

I was briefly into WWF when I was a kid (Stone Cold was my dude) and I really liked War Zone and Wrestlemania 2000, both for N64. And I owned Attitude for PS1, but I believe I recall liking it less than the previously mentioned games.

At 3/3/14 08:42 PM, SmashLuigiFan1 wrote: Think of games like Kirby SuperStar or Ristar. Both of those games were released late into their respective console's lifespan and were very advanced because of that. In fact, Kirby games tend to always be like that (see Kirby's Adventure and Dreamland 3). Mario 3 did just that, while also adding new things to the Mario formula that have been staples since. Things like a world map, flight being incorporated in the gameplay, etcetera.

As for Mario World, it's a launch title. All it could really do is show off what the console could do as all launch titles do. It did add new things, but nothing really as ground breaking as SMB3. Other than the introduction of Yoshi, what else did Mario World do for the franchise?

Switches, a save function, actual recorded means of completion (96 exits), made boos a more established enemy with things like ghosthouses, etc.

Honestly, I'm so confused on why the game is constantly being called the best SNES game. Imagine if most people said "Altered Beast is the best Genesis game!" Wouldn't that be a bit weird? It's not that either of these games are bad or anything (they're both actually pretty cool), they're just not the greatest thing since sliced bread.

SMW is a much more polished title than Altered Beast, considering it the base of it was an improvement of an already stellar formula; personally, I think SMB established the Mario formula, SMB3 polished it + added to it a ton, and Super Mario World perfected it - the atmosphere, soundtrack (the soundtrack was probably my main gripe with SMB3) and artistic/level design added are what make SMW my favorite 2D Mario game.

I have to say SNES. Not that the Genesis is good, it's just that I've never actually played a Genesis game so I'm kinda biased. So yeah...the Genesis is a good console...despite the slogan SEGA used.

I meant to say, not that the Genesis ISN'T good.

Sorry

SNES because im a nintendo fanboy

Snes. I don't feel like buying a 32x and a sega CD to enjoy to whole Genesis library.

At 3/4/14 02:01 AM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

At 3/3/14 08:42 PM, SmashLuigiFan1 wrote: Think of games like Kirby SuperStar or Ristar. Both of those games were released late into their respective console's lifespan and were very advanced because of that. In fact, Kirby games tend to always be like that (see Kirby's Adventure and Dreamland 3). Mario 3 did just that, while also adding new things to the Mario formula that have been staples since. Things like a world map, flight being incorporated in the gameplay, etcetera.

As for Mario World, it's a launch title. All it could really do is show off what the console could do as all launch titles do. It did add new things, but nothing really as ground breaking as SMB3. Other than the introduction of Yoshi, what else did Mario World do for the franchise?

Switches, a save function, actual recorded means of completion (96 exits), made boos a more established enemy with things like ghosthouses, etc.

How does adding a save function or a way of recording your completion adding anything to the series? I mean, yeah, the save function was convenient, but it's not like you'll associate the game with that. And getting all 96 exits (or beating all of the levels for that matter) gives you crap, so that's not really a big deal. Star Road is really the only notable thing to unlock, as that leads you to the Special Zone which causes the game's graphics to change.

I'll give you the Switch Palaces and Ghosthouses, as both of those are pretty Rad.

Honestly, I'm so confused on why the game is constantly being called the best SNES game. Imagine if most people said "Altered Beast is the best Genesis game!" Wouldn't that be a bit weird? It's not that either of these games are bad or anything (they're both actually pretty cool), they're just not the greatest thing since sliced bread.

SMW is a much more polished title than Altered Beast, considering it the base of it was an improvement of an already stellar formula; personally, I think SMB established the Mario formula, SMB3 polished it + added to it a ton, and Super Mario World perfected it - the atmosphere, soundtrack (the soundtrack was probably my main gripe with SMB3) and artistic/level design added are what make SMW my favorite 2D Mario game.

What's wrong with the SMB3 soundtrack? I like it. More specifically, I like the NES version and not the butchered Mario All-stars version. To give come credit to SMB3:AS, the music that plays in World 3 and Coin Heaven/World 5 sound amazing. The rest of the entirety of Super Mario All-stars in general just sounds terrible.

And there's nothing wrong with calling world your favorite Mario game, but I just wonder why it's called THE best SNES game on so many occasions.

At 3/4/14 10:26 PM, koopahermit wrote: Snes. I don't feel like buying a 32x and a sega CD to enjoy to whole Genesis library.

Next to no one bought those.

At 3/5/14 10:17 PM, SmashLuigiFan1 wrote:

Switches, a save function, actual recorded means of completion (96 exits), made boos a more established enemy with things like ghosthouses, etc.

How does adding a save function or a way of recording your completion adding anything to the series? I mean, yeah, the save function was convenient, but it's not like you'll associate the game with that. And getting all 96 exits (or beating all of the levels for that matter) gives you crap, so that's not really a big deal. Star Road is really the only notable thing to unlock, as that leads you to the Special Zone which causes the game's graphics to change.

I'll give you the Switch Palaces and Ghosthouses, as both of those are pretty Rad.

Sure the save function was much a much more inevitable innovation than the world map, but it's one that was started with Super Mario World, and likewise one that can be attributed to it regardless. As for the 96 exits thing, sure there's no reward, but it certainly adds depth to the game transcending beyond just beating Bowser, and it paved the way for literally every Mario game since (star quests in 3D Mario Games, Star coins in 2D/linear 3D Mario games, completion quests in Yoshi's Island, etc.).

SMW is a much more polished title than Altered Beast, considering it the base of it was an improvement of an already stellar formula; personally, I think SMB established the Mario formula, SMB3 polished it + added to it a ton, and Super Mario World perfected it - the atmosphere, soundtrack (the soundtrack was probably my main gripe with SMB3) and artistic/level design added are what make SMW my favorite 2D Mario game.

What's wrong with the SMB3 soundtrack? I like it. More specifically, I like the NES version and not the butchered Mario All-stars version. To give come credit to SMB3:AS, the music that plays in World 3 and Coin Heaven/World 5 sound amazing. The rest of the entirety of Super Mario All-stars in general just sounds terrible.

And there's nothing wrong with calling world your favorite Mario game, but I just wonder why it's called THE best SNES game on so many occasions.

I honestly never cared for the SMB3 soundtrack & find it to be the worst aspect of the game, and one of the reasons why I find it a bit overrated in general - the Castlevania series, most Capcom games, just about every SunSoft game (especially Journey to Silius & Mr Gimmick), and even games like McKids, a carbon ripoff of SMB3, had imo much richer soundtracks, most of which taking significantly bigger advantage of the NES soundchip.

As for being the best SNES game, it's not quite up there, but tbh I can't recall seeing it referred to as such that often - it's certainly the least regarded as such amongst the SNES' "main five" (SMW, Super Metroid, LoZ:ALTTP, FF6, and Chrono Trigger), and of those five there's one I consider much more overrated & a much worse game overall (bolded to avoid sounding like a broken record). Really, I've only seen it referred to as the best platformer on the console, and it's definitely in the running in that regard (certainly my favorite, though haven't played Super Metroid yet).

At 3/4/14 10:26 PM, koopahermit wrote: Snes. I don't feel like buying a 32x and a sega CD to enjoy to whole Genesis library.

You realize you don't need the 32x or Sega CD, right? Most of the 32x's library consisted of updated Sega CD and Genesis games, plus great arcade ports and Knuckle's Chaotix, but there's not much else it has to offer considering less than 40 games were released for the system.
This was literally the last game released for the system. As late as 1996, and the only 32x game released in 1996. The music sound like my crappy computer whenever it's trying to load the audio portal or suddenly freezes.

The Sega CD does have a decent library of 220 games, but a lot of them are either improved versions of Genesis games, arcade ports, or just on other consoles that do a better job. The perfect example of this would be Sonic CD, as the PC port is waaaaay better.

You seriously don't need either of these add-ons to enjoy the Genesis's massive library of 900+ games.

I love Sonic but my vote has to go to SNES. Even if Sonic 1 and 2 are better then super mario world (DON'T KILL ME ABOUT THAT OPINION!)

At 3/5/14 10:52 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

At 3/5/14 10:17 PM, SmashLuigiFan1 wrote:

Switches, a save function, actual recorded means of completion (96 exits), made boos a more established enemy with things like ghosthouses, etc.

How does adding a save function or a way of recording your completion adding anything to the series? I mean, yeah, the save function was convenient, but it's not like you'll associate the game with that. And getting all 96 exits (or beating all of the levels for that matter) gives you crap, so that's not really a big deal. Star Road is really the only notable thing to unlock, as that leads you to the Special Zone which causes the game's graphics to change.

I'll give you the Switch Palaces and Ghosthouses, as both of those are pretty Rad.

Sure the save function was much a much more inevitable innovation than the world map, but it's one that was started with Super Mario World, and likewise one that can be attributed to it regardless. As for the 96 exits thing, sure there's no reward, but it certainly adds depth to the game transcending beyond just beating Bowser, and it paved the way for literally every Mario game since (star quests in 3D Mario Games, Star coins in 2D/linear 3D Mario games, completion quests in Yoshi's Island, etc.).

I guess I see what you mean. I haven't played Yoshi's Island yet, so what exactly is a completion quest?

SMW is a much more polished title than Altered Beast, considering it the base of it was an improvement of an already stellar formula; personally, I think SMB established the Mario formula, SMB3 polished it + added to it a ton, and Super Mario World perfected it - the atmosphere, soundtrack (the soundtrack was probably my main gripe with SMB3) and artistic/level design added are what make SMW my favorite 2D Mario game.

What's wrong with the SMB3 soundtrack? I like it. More specifically, I like the NES version and not the butchered Mario All-stars version. To give come credit to SMB3:AS, the music that plays in World 3 and Coin Heaven/World 5 sound amazing. The rest of the entirety of Super Mario All-stars in general just sounds terrible.

And there's nothing wrong with calling world your favorite Mario game, but I just wonder why it's called THE best SNES game on so many occasions.

I honestly never cared for the SMB3 soundtrack & find it to be the worst aspect of the game, and one of the reasons why I find it a bit overrated in general - the Castlevania series, most Capcom games, just about every SunSoft game (especially Journey to Silius & Mr Gimmick), and even games like McKids, a carbon ripoff of SMB3, had imo much richer soundtracks, most of which taking significantly bigger advantage of the NES soundchip.

Really? I thought the soundtrack was pretty good for the NES. Yeah, it may not have as much depth as games like Silver Surfer, but it certainly sounds good while having an identity. Plus, I find the whole soundtrack to be atmospheric, especially the airship and castle themes. If you were to make the castle theme have more depth to it, it'd lose a lot of its feeling. Same goes with the Ice world theme.

When I listened some themes in McKids, it didn't feel like it had much of an identity, even if it reminded me of Silver Surfer because of the supposed "Commodore 64-esqe" sounds. It doesn't really sound that good to be honest.

As for being the best SNES game, it's not quite up there, but tbh I can't recall seeing it referred to as such that often - it's certainly the least regarded as such amongst the SNES' "main five" (SMW, Super Metroid, LoZ:ALTTP, FF6, and Chrono Trigger), and of those five there's one I consider much more overrated & a much worse game overall (bolded to avoid sounding like a broken record). Really, I've only seen it referred to as the best platformer on the console, and it's definitely in the running in that regard (certainly my favorite, though haven't played Super Metroid yet).

Just going to get this out of the way now; FF6 and FF7 are by far the most overrated Final Fantasies in the series. I'm sure they're still really awesome, but that doesn't mean they're not overrated.
Also, FF2 and FF8 are the most underrated seeing as how they're both bashed quite frequently by people who just don't understand the way they work.

Anyway, I haven't played any of the games you've mentioned (other than SMW obviously) but can tell you I've seen those games on lists literally everywhere. I don't think Mario World really belongs there, though, as the SNES sounds like it has a colorful library of interesting and well crafted games, so a basic Mario platformer doesn't really sound like it would trump all that. Maybe best platformer, but there are a lot of platformers on the SNES, like the Donkey Kong Country series.

At 3/8/14 01:14 AM, SmashLuigiFan1 wrote:

At 3/5/14 10:52 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote: Sure the save function was much a much more inevitable innovation than the world map, but it's one that was started with Super Mario World, and likewise one that can be attributed to it regardless. As for the 96 exits thing, sure there's no reward, but it certainly adds depth to the game transcending beyond just beating Bowser, and it paved the way for literally every Mario game since (star quests in 3D Mario Games, Star coins in 2D/linear 3D Mario games, completion quests in Yoshi's Island, etc.).

I guess I see what you mean. I haven't played Yoshi's Island yet, so what exactly is a completion quest?

I myself have only played through world 1 at my cousins' so far; I don't know if that's the official term for it (probably not), but every stage has a certain number of stars (which you can lose by being hit), red coins, and flowers.

I honestly never cared for the SMB3 soundtrack & find it to be the worst aspect of the game, and one of the reasons why I find it a bit overrated in general - the Castlevania series, most Capcom games, just about every SunSoft game (especially Journey to Silius & Mr Gimmick), and even games like McKids, a carbon ripoff of SMB3, had imo much richer soundtracks, most of which taking significantly bigger advantage of the NES soundchip.

Really? I thought the soundtrack was pretty good for the NES. Yeah, it may not have as much depth as games like Silver Surfer, but it certainly sounds good while having an identity. Plus, I find the whole soundtrack to be atmospheric, especially the airship and castle themes. If you were to make the castle theme have more depth to it, it'd lose a lot of its feeling. Same goes with the Ice world theme.

When I listened some themes in McKids, it didn't feel like it had much of an identity, even if it reminded me of Silver Surfer because of the supposed "Commodore 64-esqe" sounds. It doesn't really sound that good to be honest.

The stage themes of McKids are pretty hit-or-miss, but I really like the main theme & prologue theme - I was more using it as an example of technical excellence as opposed to subjective excellence.

Just going to get this out of the way now; FF6 and FF7 are by far the most overrated Final Fantasies in the series. I'm sure they're still really awesome, but that doesn't mean they're not overrated.
Also, FF2 and FF8 are the most underrated seeing as how they're both bashed quite frequently by people who just don't understand the way they work.

Anyway, I haven't played any of the games you've mentioned (other than SMW obviously) but can tell you I've seen those games on lists literally everywhere. I don't think Mario World really belongs there, though, as the SNES sounds like it has a colorful library of interesting and well crafted games, so a basic Mario platformer doesn't really sound like it would trump all that. Maybe best platformer, but there are a lot of platformers on the SNES, like the Donkey Kong Country series.

Good to see you agree on the FF thing (personally I wouldn't consider FF7 that overrated anymore given its semi-recent reputation for being overrated - oh well). As for SMW, I'm usually the last person to put basic, first-party titles at the top of my list, but there's always been something about SMW that just stood out for me.

Considering I play my games as authentically as possible (i.e. physical copy on the original system) & that most of the system's supposed "hidden gems" pretty expensive, I don't have a heaping list of underrated SNES games yet, but I definitely recommend Demon's Crest - it's the third game in Capcom's Ghosts 'n' Goblins spinoff franchise, 'Gargoyle's Quest', and the best game in the series easily. It's challenging, but, unlike the main series, very fair (passwords, infinite lives, etc.), the visuals are among the SNES' finest (top 10 for sure), both in style & in technical excellence, and the game is just incredibly atmospheric in general, with a great soundtrack to boot. Literally the only significant complaint I can think of is the occasional slowdown.

At 3/5/14 10:55 PM, SmashLuigiFan1 wrote:

At 3/4/14 10:26 PM, koopahermit wrote: Snes. I don't feel like buying a 32x and a sega CD to enjoy to whole Genesis library.

You seriously don't need either of these add-ons to enjoy the Genesis's massive library of 900+ games.

I never knew a single thing about the 32X and never gave a rat's ass, and the ony thing I ever knew about Sega CD was Sonic CD. And I didn't even know any of that stuff existed at least until I was already playing PS1 and N64, possibly a bit later. Those add ons never mattered and they weren't a drawback either because Genesis still had a fantastic library.

Am I the only one that thinks the Playstation 1 looked like shit in most 3d graphics games? Looked like mush, and I respect the graphics more in 2d games on Genesis and Snes. Only game I appreciate on ps1 was probably Final Fantasy VII and thats because of it's score and I enjoyed that game. But for the most part the Playstation 1 had awful 3d graphics.

At 3/8/14 12:37 PM, TheKlown wrote: Am I the only one that thinks the Playstation 1 looked like shit in most 3d graphics games? Looked like mush, and I respect the graphics more in 2d games on Genesis and Snes. Only game I appreciate on ps1 was probably Final Fantasy VII and thats because of it's score and I enjoyed that game. But for the most part the Playstation 1 had awful 3d graphics.

Well it came before the N64, so there wasn't really much to expect, although the library had a ton of great-looking 2D games (Suikoden II is supposed to be one of the best RPGs ever made & it's fully 2D), as well as some good 2.5D games like Tomba! & Klonoa that hold up a bit better than fully-3D games.

At 3/8/14 03:53 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: I never knew a single thing about the 32X and never gave a rat's ass, and the ony thing I ever knew about Sega CD was Sonic CD. And I didn't even know any of that stuff existed at least until I was already playing PS1 and N64, possibly a bit later. Those add ons never mattered and they weren't a drawback either because Genesis still had a fantastic library.

Besides, there's always the CDX/multi-mega, probably the best model of the Genesis.

The Sega-CD had some of the Genesis' best titles, but there's still really nothing essential the 32x has to offer; as far as I'm concerned, its most useful function is that standard Genesis games look better when played on it.

Regardless of what anybody says, I think we can all agree that sega had the best advertising campaign

Genesis does what Nintendon't

It doesn't get much better than that.

Yes, SNES is just plain old better. There is no argument.
( Super Mario World, Super Metroid, StarFox, Super Mario Kart, Link to the Past, Kirby Super Star, DOOM, Killer Instinct )
The list goes on and on and on and on!

At 3/8/14 12:37 PM, TheKlown wrote: Am I the only one that thinks the Playstation 1 looked like shit in most 3d graphics games?

Compared to what? N64? Not really. Maybe they don't hold up now, but Einhander, the Oddworld games, the Crash Bandicoot games, Spyro, Tekken 3(even Tekken 2 widened my eyes when I first saw it when I was like 7), Gran Turismo 2, Dino Crisis, Wild 9, FF7, FF8, FF9, MGS, Legend of Dragoon and other games looked pretty good next to 3D games on other consoles.

I respect the graphics more in 2d games on Genesis and Snes.

There were many really good PS1 games with 2D graphics like Alundra, Marvel VS Capcom, Street Fighter Alpha, Megaman X 4-6, Megaman 8, Saga Frontier 1 and 2, Kartia, the Arc the Lad games, etc. etc. etc. And there's Strider 2, one of my all time favorite games, though it also has some 3D graphics. All these games looked quite good for what they were and when they came out. And I imagine you've played SOTN as you've been talking about Castlevania a lot, which also looked great.

At 3/8/14 01:43 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote: although the library had a ton of great-looking 2D games (Suikoden II is supposed to be one of the best RPGs ever made & it's fully 2D)

Yeah, PS1 had a massive RPG library, and I think there were very many on the platform that were well received.

as well as some good 2.5D games like Tomba! & Klonoa that hold up a bit better than fully-3D games.

Tomba! is still one of my favorite games. I haven't played the first Klonoa, but I played a demo for the second one a few times and always wanted to play the full thing. It seemed pretty good. Another one of my all time favorite games is Heart of Darkness, which is also of the 2.5D type. Such an underrated game. And Einhander is a hell of a SHMUP, probably my favorite of the genre. And of course, you can't forget the Oddworld games. And funny enough, all of these games look fantastic for their time.

At 3/8/14 12:37 PM, TheKlown wrote: Only game I appreciate on ps1 was probably Final Fantasy VII and thats because of it's score and I enjoyed that game.

Also, it's funny you mention FF7, but not 8. FF8's cutscenes blew my freakin' mind when it came out. And wait, when you say "only game I appreciate", do you mean that's the only PS1 game you like at all? Like there's no PS1 game you've had fun playing, despite graphics?

At 3/8/14 01:50 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote: Besides, there's always the CDX/multi-mega, probably the best model of the Genesis.

That's neat. I don't think I've seen that. My cousins had a Sega CD when we were kids with that blue revolver shaped light gun. They some rail shooter with cowboys. I forget the name.

I Genesis :'3

At 3/8/14 01:50 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote: Besides, there's always the CDX/multi-mega, probably the best model of the Genesis.

That's neat. I don't think I've seen that. My cousins had a Sega CD when we were kids with that blue revolver shaped light gun. They some rail shooter with cowboys. I forget the name.

When they came out Resident Evil games were fun and so were tomb raiders. It's just that those games have not aged well at all. I guess where I'm getting at is that I personally believe 2d graphics games on the snes, nes, genesis and hell even the atari have aged better than ps1. Ps1 was filled with hideous polygons in a lot of their games. The N64 is much more superior in make the art of graphics look better. There's not one game on psx that I know of that looks as good as Zelda Ocarina of Time.

At 3/9/14 01:56 AM, TheKlown wrote:

At 3/8/14 01:50 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

. There's not one game on psx that I know of that looks as good as Zelda Ocarina of Time.

look up vagrant story.