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Consciousness is the result of us assuming we are "in control". Animals also harbor this psychical trait, hence why they do grow attitudes, they do attempt to break the rules and do look for opportunities to do so when you least expect it. Something else challenges such a trait, by reminding us that nothing centers around us, and that we are no more special than anything else. I personally believe that we're all miniature planets that gain a conceptual form of gravity that pulls other people in, which also consumes us when we let it. Gravity always pulls inwards, and when we gain knowledge, our minds become a gravity well of information that pulls us inwards. I feel that we're producing gravity in a form that isn't the same form as we understand common gravity. The ego is the gravity well. Information fuels such. Consciousness is the ego. The ego consumes, and consumes. I'd say that consciousness is actually a black hole, or really, the nature of one. This is why our existential crisises bring us down into nihilism or depression, and not the other way. This is why knowledge brings suffering and pain, which isn't despairing to an understanding mind.

you sound like you have it "down"

Wow that's deep bro

And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.

At 2/26/14 10:34 PM, Insanctuary wrote: Consciousness is the result of us assuming we are "in control". Animals also harbor this psychical trait, hence why they do grow attitudes, they do attempt to break the rules and do look for opportunities to do so when you least expect it. Something else challenges such a trait, by reminding us that nothing centers around us...

Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes people change and lead more fulfilling lives.

:... and that we are no more special than anything else.

Being a part of the universe is still pretty damn cool.

:I personally believe that we're all miniature planets that gain a conceptual form of gravity that pulls other people in, which also consumes us when we let it. Gravity always pulls inwards, and when we gain knowledge, our minds become a gravity well of information that pulls us inwards. I feel that we're producing gravity in a form that isn't the same form as we understand common gravity. The ego is the gravity well. Information fuels such. Consciousness is the ego. The ego consumes, and consumes. I'd say that consciousness is actually a black hole, or really, the nature of one. This is why our existential crisises bring us down into nihilism or depression, and not the other way. This is why knowledge brings suffering and pain, which isn't despairing to an understanding mind.

I think consciousness is more than the just the ego. If someone only thinks of themselves and sees themselves in everything, they probably have an over inflated ego. It's like you said 'the ego consumes' and like the old saying goes 'if your ego gets any bigger you'll pop'. The pop is that existential crisis you mentioned, it's a crash back to reality. I don't think knowledge brings suffering and pain, sometimes it eases it. I also think an understanding mind can still despair with the knowledge it knows.

Neurons.

can i have permission to drench your skill in iso alcohol then proceed to light one of my farts on fire with a lighter with my ass aimed directly at your forehead

At 2/27/14 01:38 AM, cheezz wrote: Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes people change and lead more fulfilling lives.

Fulfillment is an illusion created to escape from the fear that we will never fulfill ourselves -- we don't even know ourselves, or what we want. We only think that we do; and such thought is not even ours.

I think consciousness is more than the just the ego. If someone only thinks of themselves and sees themselves in everything, they probably have an over inflated ego. It's like you said 'the ego consumes' and like the old saying goes 'if your ego gets any bigger you'll pop'. The pop is that existential crisis you mentioned, it's a crash back to reality. I don't think knowledge brings suffering and pain, sometimes it eases it. I also think an understanding mind can still despair with the knowledge it knows.

Suffering and pain are only that without understanding. When you manage to break down the more depressing aspects of life into intellectual assessments, your emotions can no longer react to thereof as they did before. This goes back to my sociopathy statements. Emotions can be found out useless by deeply intellectual ruminations. We cry and we lose control out of fear -- understanding counters this. This is why sociopaths not only lack spirituality, they also lack fear. Emotions create order out of disorder, whereas intelligence is always chaotic and inhumane. This is why intelligence scares a lot of us, because it turns our wings into stone. Consciousness is, indeed, the ego. Your arguments are misunderstanding the other illusions that came about from the ego, itself. Perception; personal experience; personality -- it's all a lie built on one thing we refuse to admit, and that's what sends us back into our holes with our tails between our legs.

At 2/27/14 04:28 AM, MrPercie wrote: Oh shut the fuck up.

That's entirely unnecessary; your distractions are much louder and obnoxious than I.

At 2/27/14 03:51 AM, Insanctuary wrote:
Fulfillment is an illusion created to escape from the fear that we will never fulfill ourselves -- we don't even know ourselves, or what we want. We only think that we do; and such thought is not even ours.

It sounds like you're taking existentialism too far.

At 2/27/14 03:51 AM, Insanctuary wrote:
Suffering and pain are only that without understanding. When you manage to break down the more depressing aspects of life into intellectual assessments, your emotions can no longer react to thereof as they did before.

We all suffer. We all get sick. And we all die. I acknowledge these things and I'm not emotionally stunted by it. Perhaps I'm a little less emotional each time something happens along these lines though. So maybe there's a little truth to it.

At 2/27/14 03:51 AM, Insanctuary wrote: This goes back to my sociopathy statements. Emotions can be found out useless by deeply intellectual ruminations. We cry and we lose control out of fear -- understanding counters this. This is why sociopaths not only lack spirituality, they also lack fear.

That's true for irrational feelings, but sometimes understanding something, let's say getting torture for instance, is different from your emotional reaction towards it. Understanding torture, doesn't mean not fearing it.

At 2/27/14 03:51 AM, Insanctuary wrote: Emotions create order out of disorder, whereas intelligence is always chaotic and inhumane. This is why intelligence scares a lot of us, because it turns our wings into stone.

I disagree with you on intelligence being chaotic. While there is chaos, there is also order. I think its about building up and breaking down to put it simply. (Then again I would say that, math is my strong suit, not philosophy.)

At 2/27/14 03:51 AM, Insanctuary wrote: Consciousness is, indeed, the ego. Your arguments are misunderstanding the other illusions that came about from the ego, itself. Perception; personal experience; personality -- it's all a lie built on one thing we refuse to admit, and that's what sends us back into our holes with our tails between our legs.

I don't know what I'm not admitting to myself. All I know is consciousness makes up thought and perception. Basically our sense of awareness. I'm aware of people and things that aren't me, I've thought about them and seen them. I don't see what that has to do with ego.

At 2/27/14 05:02 AM, cheezz wrote: It sounds like you're taking existentialism too far.

Or perhaps people are taking life too far?

We all suffer. We all get sick. And we all die. I acknowledge these things and I'm not emotionally stunted by it. Perhaps I'm a little less emotional each time something happens along these lines though. So maybe there's a little truth to it.

You become less emotional because you gain knowledge from each experience -- such knowledge bottle-necks our emotions to the point there's no longer a reason to exert ourselves primitively as we used to.

That's true for irrational feelings, but sometimes understanding something, let's say getting torture for instance, is different from your emotional reaction towards it. Understanding torture, doesn't mean not fearing it.

Fear comes from lack of control. Being tortured is simply another form of it. There's a difference between having knowledge of torture, but still finding yourself without freedom due to other factors beyond your power.

I disagree with you on intelligence being chaotic. While there is chaos, there is also order. I think its about building up and breaking down to put it simply. (Then again I would say that, math is my strong suit, not philosophy.)

There's no order in pin-the-tail on the universe while blindfolded. All knowledge is still a shadow that we extract from the thing-in-itself; for we do not have the tools or the ability to work with the thing-in-itself. Therefore knowledge is an oasis of darkness filled with our premature interpretations and speculations.

I don't know what I'm not admitting to myself. All I know is consciousness makes up thought and perception. Basically our sense of awareness. I'm aware of people and things that aren't me, I've thought about them and seen them. I don't see what that has to do with ego.

That there is no "Self"; that life has no ending or beginning, and it's a void of happenings, along with constituents which work conceptually, metaphysically, physically and mentally as agents to bring out the universe's computational roles through individualistic sums -- which is what we are -- sums of a totality; ghosts in a machine that, when separated from itself, is no longer a singularity, but a myriad of singularities -- each reflecting something of the universe as a shadowy, mirror-like, metaphoric piece of the puzzle.

I think it would help if you give a clear definition of what you mean by consciousness.

I think someone needs to take some mushrooms. That is where you will find the true secrets of consciousness.

i oughta knock you unconscious

Interesting However That's Wrong Consciousness Is Nothing Like Gravity

--supergandhi64

At 2/27/14 09:35 AM, PurpleHaze wrote: I think someone needs to take some mushrooms. That is where you will find the true secrets of consciousness.

this.

Think you've thought before mushies?

Cook yourself and see what comes out.

At 2/27/14 10:21 AM, supergandhi64 wrote: Interesting However That's Wrong Consciousness Is Nothing Like Gravity

--supergandhi64

What are your reasons for that?

At 2/27/14 09:35 AM, PurpleHaze wrote: I think someone needs to take some mushrooms. That is where you will find the true secrets of consciousness.

True secrets, like finding out that consciousness is much like an illusion, to the point chemicals can faze it. It's dangerous to define our lives with something that could potentially change so easily.

At 2/27/14 09:23 AM, AxTekk wrote: I think it would help if you give a clear definition of what you mean by consciousness.

Consciousness is a supposed awareness of ourselves all that encompasses such.

At 2/27/14 10:55 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 2/27/14 09:23 AM, AxTekk wrote: I think it would help if you give a clear definition of what you mean by consciousness.

Consciousness is a supposed awareness of ourselves all that encompasses such.

Does that include emotions? Does that include physical states? Can a person be consciousness and know/ feel nothing?

At 2/27/14 11:03 AM, AxTekk wrote: Does that include emotions? Does that include physical states? Can a person be consciousness and know/ feel nothing?

It includes everything that can be supposedly experienced as a supposed "entity". Consciousness doesn't get anymore complex than that. Consciousness is such a linear term, that of all of the discussions I came across, you're the only person that felt compromised enough to ask me "what do you mean by consciousness?".

At 2/27/14 11:25 AM, Insanctuary wrote: It includes everything that can be supposedly experienced as a supposed "entity". Consciousness doesn't get anymore complex than that. Consciousness is such a linear term, that of all of the discussions I came across, you're the only person that felt compromised enough to ask me "what do you mean by consciousness?".

lolk

Read some psychology on the subject brah, PM me if you're interested in a book list and stuff.

At 2/27/14 02:36 PM, AxTekk wrote::

Read some psychology on the subject brah, PM me if you're interested in a book list and stuff.

I believe you're the one that doesn't know what they are talking about this time. It goes both ways -- fascinating, isn't it? You act like consciousness is more than what was already explained, when you can't seem to grasp that your questions about consciousness aren't related to consciousness to begin with.

At 2/27/14 02:42 PM, Insanctuary wrote: I believe you're the one that doesn't know what they are talking about this time. It goes both ways -- fascinating, isn't it? You act like consciousness is more than what was already explained, when you can't seem to grasp that your questions about consciousness aren't related to consciousness to begin with.

Lol you got me bro!

At 2/27/14 04:52 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 2/27/14 04:28 AM, MrPercie wrote: Oh shut the fuck up.

That's entirely unnecessary; your distractions are much louder and obnoxious than I.

can i still drench your skull in iso alcohol then proceed to aim my ass directly at your forehead and light one of my farts on fire

I will eat a lot of chilpotle beforehand if that seals the deal

that is an interesting perspective of consciousness, insanctuary. it is an entertaining notion to grasp the concept of consciousness, the feeling of being "in control".

you would be correct in stating knowledge brings suffering and pain. ignorance is bliss, yet sometimes you just want to know more. it is the ongoing quest of humans to learn, to experience.

At 2/27/14 03:11 PM, FRAYDO wrote: that is an interesting perspective of consciousness, insanctuary. it is an entertaining notion to grasp the concept of consciousness, the feeling of being "in control".

you would be correct in stating knowledge brings suffering and pain. ignorance is bliss, yet sometimes you just want to know more. it is the ongoing quest of humans to learn, to experience.

That "ongoing quest", is hunger in disguise. We can't stop learning once we start -- it consumes the best of all of us. Knowledge only slips away from all that we wished and wanted life to be, and thus this is the very incentive for us to believe in consciousness as arrogance. Why else would knowledge drag us down into madness, if it wasn't anymore than an illusion? An eroding compensation for our hearts to deceive itself into fulfillment and etiquette; that denies us as a nobody, infant and monkey.

At 2/27/14 03:03 PM, Urban-Champion wrote: can i still drench your skull in iso alcohol then proceed to aim my ass directly at your forehead and light one of my farts on fire

As strange as it seems, you could use this painfully atrocious question of yours to argue the strengths and weaknesses of consciousness. For an example, "if consciousness is such and such, then why am I able to purport this extensively absurd question?". Would you want to turn this into a discussion?

At 2/26/14 10:34 PM, Insanctuary wrote: . This is why knowledge brings suffering and pain, which isn't despairing to an understanding mind.

Actually, its the opposite for me; the more I know the more i grow and lacking intelligence is all bad in every way

At 2/27/14 05:29 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 2/27/14 05:02 AM, cheezz wrote: It sounds like you're taking existentialism too far.

Or perhaps people are taking life too far?

Or maybe you're not taking life too far enough?

At 2/27/14 05:29 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 2/27/14 05:02 AM, cheezz wrote: We all suffer. We all get sick. And we all die. I acknowledge these things and I'm not emotionally stunted by it. Perhaps I'm a little less emotional each time something happens along these lines though. So maybe there's a little truth to it.

You become less emotional because you gain knowledge from each experience -- such knowledge bottle-necks our emotions to the point there's no longer a reason to exert ourselves primitively as we used to.

You call it primitive, I call it human nature. Think about one of your loved ones dieing. Wouldn't you cry? Wouldn't you feel overwhelmed with emotion?

At 2/27/14 05:29 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 2/27/14 05:02 AM, cheezz wrote: That's true for irrational feelings, but sometimes understanding something, let's say getting torture for instance, is different from your emotional reaction towards it. Understanding torture, doesn't mean not fearing it.

Fear comes from lack of control. Being tortured is simply another form of it. There's a difference between having knowledge of torture, but still finding yourself without freedom due to other factors beyond your power.

Fear reactions are fight or flight. Choosing one is taking control in the case of torture. Fear is a completely rational emotion to have here. How are you relating this to a lack of freedom and control?

At 2/27/14 05:29 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 2/27/14 05:02 AM, cheezz wrote: I disagree with you on intelligence being chaotic. While there is chaos, there is also order. I think its about building up and breaking down to put it simply. (Then again I would say that, math is my strong suit, not philosophy.)

There's no order in pin-the-tail on the universe while blindfolded. All knowledge is still a shadow that we extract from the thing-in-itself; for we do not have the tools or the ability to work with the thing-in-itself. Therefore knowledge is an oasis of darkness filled with our premature interpretations and speculations.

I would say that there's more we don't know about the universe than we do know. Still what we have isn't all interpretations and speculations. For instance it's a fact that gravity bends space and time, this has been observed and proven through experimentation.

At 2/27/14 05:29 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 2/27/14 05:02 AM, cheezz wrote:

I don't know what I'm not admitting to myself. All I know is consciousness makes up thought and perception. Basically our sense of awareness. I'm aware of people and things that aren't me, I've thought about them and seen them. I don't see what that has to do with ego.

That there is no "Self"; that life has no ending or beginning, and it's a void of happenings, along with constituents which work conceptually, metaphysically, physically and mentally as agents to bring out the universe's computational roles through individualistic sums -- which is what we are -- sums of a totality; ghosts in a machine that, when separated from itself, is no longer a singularity, but a myriad of singularities -- each reflecting something of the universe as a shadowy, mirror-like, metaphoric piece of the puzzle.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you saying that our existence is only a chain reaction occurring in the universe? How does this relate to consciousness? How does this disprove the self? "I think therefore I am" as one philosopher once said comes to mind.

At 2/27/14 10:55 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 2/27/14 10:21 AM, supergandhi64 wrote: Interesting However That's Wrong Consciousness Is Nothing Like Gravity

--supergandhi64

What are your reasons for that?

I Didn't Decide That . . . It's Just The Way It Is

--supergandhi64