Admins, stop blocking TOR

[epicaldude]

It seems that NG is blocking connections from IPs that are running tor nodes.
If that is the case, then this is not needed at all, instead you could normally rate-limit number of connections from one IP.

The thing is, from friend's computer which is a tor exit but just for few ports:ips (exits just to say IRC), it is not possible to access NG.
Even though this computer IP will *not* be used to connect to NG.

[Jester]

What the fuck are you up to that you need to be using TOR on Newgrounds

[JRob]

I'm sure they have a perfectly good reason as to why they're blocking Tor.

[GoryBlizzard]

If you're using Tor on here, you have something to hide. Some of our most aggressive and malicious users on here (who I refuse to dignify by naming names) have used Tor to facilitate their bad behavior over long periods of time.

Common sense.

[Scintillating]

At 2/23/14 10:31 PM, GoryBlizzard wrote: If you're using Tor on here, you have something to hide. Some of our most aggressive and malicious users on here (who I refuse to dignify by naming names) have used Tor to facilitate their bad behavior over long periods of time.

Common sense.

I think said unnamed user is the "friend" of OP, if you know what I mean.

[nonono1]

are you a pedophile?

[Tony-DarkGrave]

can't talk about Pirating or Warez even though there is no legal implications, YOU'RE BANNED. try using TOR, YOUR BLOCKED! this is the type of shit that's bringing NG down.

[KatMaestro]

At 2/23/14 10:51 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: can't talk about Pirating or Warez even though there is no legal implications, YOU'RE BANNED. try using TOR, YOUR BLOCKED! this is the type of shit that's bringing NG down.

OP, draws experience from me. I was banned 20 days for even putting a pirate link on my sig, and plus resisting the mod.

Fun fact, you can get around the TOR block on NG. But now, best is to SSH tunnel/hopping or VPN your way through here.

[JRob]

At 2/23/14 11:26 PM, BlankPoster wrote:

User of the year right here.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 2/23/14 11:28 PM, Elitistinen wrote: Fun fact, you can get around the TOR block on NG. But now, best is to SSH tunnel/hopping or VPN your way through here.

awesome I'll look into that.

[SneakyGameBoy]

At 2/23/14 10:31 PM, GoryBlizzard wrote: If you're using Tor on here, you have something to hide.

I agree. You're up to something if you find this as a huge issue.

[CiviLies]

I didn't know TOR could be blocked. Huh. Learn something new errday.

[epicaldude]

At 2/23/14 10:34 PM, nonono1 wrote: are you a pedophile?

Are you a total moron?

Ok I knew bunch of clueless kids will reply, but I hoped at least someone would understand the question.
It seems I need to write it more clearly.

This is stupid to block tor users, but that is one thing.

NG is doing something DIFFERENT. NG is not just blocking users who are connecting to NG while using TOR.

NG is blocking users to connect to NG from their regular, non-TOR address too, if this address is part of TOR network for other things then NG, e.g. if given address participates in TOR network only for relaying IRC chat.

(All big-brother / police state loving kids, sorry I don't have time to explain here why privacy is a valuable thing.)

[b]I would like if any admin could read the above with understanding.[/b]

[supergandhi64]

At 2/24/14 05:36 AM, epicaldude wrote: (All big-brother / police state loving kids, sorry I don't have time to explain here why privacy is a valuable thing.)

It Isn't

--supergandhi64

[epicaldude]

Computer X is a tor PARTIAL exit node.

This means 100 people will for example connect to IRC from the one computer X in the end (hiding own IP - gaining anonymity), and 0 people can use this X address to connect to NG - except the actually user of the computer and his friends family etc.

It's stupid but somewhat understandable if NG would like to block this 100 users using this exit node X to mask own address because they do not have admins/mechanisms to deal with users that could "abuse" forums and re-register to avoid bans and they can't block their real IP coz TOR hides it.

But NG does other thing, it blocks the address X even if X can NOT BE USED to connect to NG (only to some other things, like IRC).
So X could not be used for the 100 (out of million tor users) users to access NG.

They did not blocked 100 users, they just block the 1 user X who happened to donate his computer to allow other people to use IRC anonymously.

This is probably not admins wanted.

The reason is that they probably miss-configured the server, instead of blocking "tor exit relays that could be used to access NG" they blocked "all tor exit relays irregardles of to what they can exit to".

[epicaldude]

At 2/24/14 05:43 AM, supergandhi64 wrote:

At 2/24/14 05:36 AM, epicaldude wrote: (All big-brother / police state loving kids, sorry I don't have time to explain here why privacy is a valuable thing.)

It Isn't

--supergandhi64

Sure it is, for people who do not want to be murdered.

Example: If user in China would make a flash game about why communism is bad with pictures of Stalin or better of Mao or their current communist party leaders - then he would be jailed or killed.

[supergandhi64]

At 2/24/14 05:50 AM, epicaldude wrote:

At 2/24/14 05:43 AM, supergandhi64 wrote:

At 2/24/14 05:36 AM, epicaldude wrote: (All big-brother / police state loving kids, sorry I don't have time to explain here why privacy is a valuable thing.)

It Isn't

--supergandhi64

Sure it is, for people who do not want to be murdered.

Example: If user in China would make a flash game about why communism is bad with pictures of Stalin or better of Mao or their current communist party leaders - then he would be jailed or killed.

Are You Saying Instigators & Other Dangerous Radicals Should Be Protected By Anonymity? If They Don't Have The Stones To Stand Up For What They Believe In Then Their Views Are Probably Not Worth Much

--supergandhi64

[epicaldude]

At 2/24/14 05:56 AM, supergandhi64 wrote:

At 2/24/14 05:50 AM, epicaldude wrote:

At 2/24/14 05:43 AM, supergandhi64 wrote:

At 2/24/14 05:36 AM, epicaldude wrote: (All big-brother / police state loving kids, sorry I don't have time to explain here why privacy is a valuable thing.)

It Isn't

--supergandhi64

Sure it is, for people who do not want to be murdered.

Example: If user in China would make a flash game about why communism is bad with pictures of Stalin or better of Mao or their current communist party leaders - then he would be jailed or killed.

Are You Saying Instigators & Other Dangerous Radicals Should Be Protected By Anonymity? If They Don't Have The Stones To Stand Up For What They Believe In Then Their Views Are Probably Not Worth Much

--supergandhi64

No, you twat, let's instead arrest all radicals, like people who stood against arresting fags or blacks; And founding fathers of America. And other "radicals".

So yes, "radicals" who protect basic humans rights should not be censored.

Either way this drifted away from my question, it would be excellent if NG could be uncensored but I know it will be not (e.g. mentioning sharing files/warez I read is bannable on forums). If that is not possible then allowing users from TOR (with some extra captcha to limit possible vandalism) would be nice.

[Captain-Slugworth]

At 2/23/14 11:26 PM, BlankPoster wrote:

couldn't of put it better myself

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 2/24/14 05:56 AM, supergandhi64 wrote: Are You Saying Instigators & Other Dangerous Radicals Should Be Protected By Anonymity? If They Don't Have The Stones To Stand Up For What They Believe In Then Their Views Are Probably Not Worth Much

--supergandhi64

its about not getting yourself or the people you know or love killed because some desperate buttholes will do anything to hold onto they're wealth/power.

[kazumazkan]

At 2/24/14 08:44 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 2/24/14 05:56 AM, supergandhi64 wrote: Are You Saying Instigators & Other Dangerous Radicals Should Be Protected By Anonymity? If They Don't Have The Stones To Stand Up For What They Believe In Then Their Views Are Probably Not Worth Much

--supergandhi64

its about not getting yourself or the people you know or love killed because some desperate buttholes will do anything to hold onto they're wealth/power.

This.
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also why are you using tor on here? do you live somewhere other then the United States

[epicaldude]

At 2/24/14 09:03 AM, kazumazkan wrote:

At 2/24/14 08:44 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 2/24/14 05:56 AM, supergandhi64 wrote: Are You Saying Instigators & Other Dangerous Radicals Should Be Protected By Anonymity? If They Don't Have The Stones To Stand Up For What They Believe In Then Their Views Are Probably Not Worth Much

--supergandhi64

its about not getting yourself or the people you know or love killed because some desperate buttholes will do anything to hold onto they're wealth/power.

This.
.
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also why are you using tor on here? do you live somewhere other then the United States

Glad that some people here are able to stand up for themselves and our freedoms, e.g. freedom to say that it's perhaps not good idea to arrest people for being gay (personally I am indifferent towards gheys but why hurt them).

About your question.
I do NOT USE TOR HERE.
I happen to (temporarily) use computer that is PART of TOR network.

For site like NG it is not possible to tell if this is "some person that connects from Tor and exists to us using computer X as last hop" or is it "the actual computer X, e.g. the owner of computer X himself".

But, this computer X can NEVER be exit tor into NG port 80.
So this should be possible to block only computers that are part of Tor network that can exit to NG.

Though I think it would be best to not block tor at all, instead maybe require extra captchas or something.

[Profanity]

Sorry diddly doo da, buddy boyo. That ship has already sailed.

Your friend and the TOR network have volunteered to be part of a worldwide traffic obfuscator with no barrier to entry. That means that they've volunteered to let any old Joe Scumbag zip through IP bans to perform nefarious activities on websites like Newgrounds. Either the Admins added a blacklist of known nodes, or they've already banned your friend's IP because someone used it to evade a ban on NG. I would bet it was the second one, because 2012-2013 saw IP bans handed out daily while the Admins chased down a handful of spammers.

Lesson learned, eh? There are repercussions to your actions. TOR gives you anonymity in large numbers by pooling you together with crypto geeks, paranoid conspiratards, and criminals.

[supergandhi64]

At 2/24/14 06:32 AM, epicaldude wrote: So yes, "radicals" who protect basic humans rights should not be censored.

Who Said Anything About Censorship? I'm Talking About Anonymity. The Same Anonymity Which Criminals Use To Hide Their Involvement With Illegal Activities. Anonymity Should Be Removed Entirely As Long As It Doesn't Infringe On Privacy

--supergandhi64

[epicaldude]

At 2/24/14 09:41 AM, supergandhi64 wrote:

At 2/24/14 06:32 AM, epicaldude wrote: So yes, "radicals" who protect basic humans rights should not be censored.

Who Said Anything About Censorship? I'm Talking About Anonymity. The Same Anonymity Which Criminals Use To Hide Their Involvement With Illegal Activities. Anonymity Should Be Removed Entirely As Long As It Doesn't Infringe On Privacy

--supergandhi64

Living in certain countries in Africa, would you publish your movie or flash game about how we should not send gays to prison just for them being gay?

If you would know they will trace you as the person who posted it, and you would be at least placed in jail, or more likely killed either with or without any sort of trial.

Or would you self-censorship and never release your media or thought because of fear of reproductions?

[KatMaestro]

At 2/24/14 09:41 AM, supergandhi64 wrote:

At 2/24/14 06:32 AM, epicaldude wrote: So yes, "radicals" who protect basic humans rights should not be censored.

Who Said Anything About Censorship? I'm Talking About Anonymity. The Same Anonymity Which Criminals Use To Hide Their Involvement With Illegal Activities. Anonymity Should Be Removed Entirely As Long As It Doesn't Infringe On Privacy

--supergandhi64

Hey Gandhi, I just modified your post using Javascript, took a screenshot and reported to the local authority because you just said "I'm Gonna Burn Down An Elementary School Tomorrow".

You know you can't hide since you have no anonymity right?

PS: Anybody with little IT skills can easily pin point your IP address, Mr. Troll.

[epicaldude]

At 2/24/14 09:24 AM, Profanity wrote: Sorry diddly doo da, buddy boyo. That ship has already sailed.

Your friend and the TOR network have volunteered to be part of a worldwide traffic obfuscator with no barrier to entry. That means that they've volunteered to let any old Joe Scumbag zip through IP bans to perform nefarious activities on websites like Newgrounds. Either the Admins added a blacklist of known nodes, or they've already banned your friend's IP because someone used it to evade a ban on NG. I would bet it was the second one, because 2012-2013 saw IP bans handed out daily while the Admins chased down a handful of spammers.

Lesson learned, eh? There are repercussions to your actions. TOR gives you anonymity in large numbers by pooling you together with crypto geeks, paranoid conspiratards, and criminals.

Eh kids, kids, learn to read. As it was written several times, this IP was NEVER used by anyone else for Tor, because it was NOT exit node that would allow port 80/443 at all.

So they pre-emptively ban IPs that they thing could potentially be used. It's what some lazy admins do.

[KatMaestro]

At 2/24/14 09:24 AM, Profanity wrote: paranoid conspiratards, and criminals.

You totally forgot stoners like me.

There is a reason I used to use TOR on NG.

I love this website very much. I can't have my day going without visiting NG. I'm also an expat who travel and work in 3rd world countries. NG is blocked everywhere in China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia and so on. I need access to NG, Reddit and 4chan and TOR is the quickest and free workaround. Now NG blocked TOR, I have no other choice but to setup SSH servers and VPN to access to US/EU websites when on travel.

You see, not just only criminals who use TOR, but ordinary people too.

[supergandhi64]

At 2/24/14 10:49 AM, Elitistinen wrote:

At 2/24/14 09:41 AM, supergandhi64 wrote:

At 2/24/14 06:32 AM, epicaldude wrote: So yes, "radicals" who protect basic humans rights should not be censored.

Who Said Anything About Censorship? I'm Talking About Anonymity. The Same Anonymity Which Criminals Use To Hide Their Involvement With Illegal Activities. Anonymity Should Be Removed Entirely As Long As It Doesn't Infringe On Privacy

--supergandhi64

Hey Gandhi, I just modified your post using Javascript, took a screenshot and reported to the local authority because you just said "I'm Gonna Burn Down An Elementary School Tomorrow".

You know you can't hide since you have no anonymity right?

PS: Anybody with little IT skills can easily pin point your IP address, Mr. Troll.

I Don't Need To Hide Since I've Done Nothing Wrong. Anonymity Isn't Necessary For Law Abiding & Well Adjusted People. Ideally The IP Address Should Be Fully Visible In The Body Of Your Post Which Isn't Unusual For Web Fora

--supergandhi64

[nonono1]

At 2/24/14 05:36 AM, epicaldude wrote:

At 2/23/14 10:34 PM, nonono1 wrote: are you a pedophile?

Are you a total moron?

Ok I knew bunch of clueless kids will reply, but I hoped at least someone would understand the question.
It seems I need to write it more clearly.

This is stupid to block tor users, but that is one thing.

NG is doing something DIFFERENT. NG is not just blocking users who are connecting to NG while using TOR.

NG is blocking users to connect to NG from their regular, non-TOR address too, if this address is part of TOR network for other things then NG, e.g. if given address participates in TOR network only for relaying IRC chat.

(All big-brother / police state loving kids, sorry I don't have time to explain here why privacy is a valuable thing.)

[b]I would like if any admin could read the above with understanding.[/b]

Hey, just because you're a flaming faggot doesn't mean you can go around hating newgrounds users for not understanding your sketchy homosexual tor usage. Nice try with the bold text though, but I think the mods would look passed this topic even if the text was laced with fine gold.