Is gender a construct

[Estella]

Okay I'm getting on a bit but I've been met with this quite a bit recently on chat-forums and stuff.
I've always desired manly men like Mel Gibson, never would have liked Bieber, that would be like having a young boy. I've never dressed to my age, even though it's expected of me, but sometimes I wonder if I was dressing to how people expected me to dress.
Furthermore was it having strong men around me my entire life that made me sexually attracted to strong muscular men. My friend was assaulted in our twenties and she only desires women now, eek, so I'm kinda wondering if it could have gone another way. How much of what we are is a construct and how much would have happened if nature had been absent?

[Minion777]

About this mu

[Slint]

are you a grill

[supergandhi64]

Yes "Gender" Is A Made Up Word Which Doesn't Mean Anything

--supergandhi64

[Sensationalism]

You said gender but you sound like you are talking about sexuality.............

[JRob]

If you consider all the chemicals and chemical processes that make people more masculine or feminine (testosterone n' shit), it's definitely not a construct.

[Estella]

At 2/22/14 06:06 PM, Slint wrote: are you a grill

I think you meant girl :|

That's what this thread is asking. I don't know! I look like one, I have one, I feel like one. Someone people would say I'm not.

And I am a WOMAN not a girl sheesh.

[Lemonardo]

Society is not responsible for the fact the men and woman share different body parts, have different general shapes and have different strengths and weaknesses.

Society is not responsible for the fact that men produce one type of sex cell and women another, plus combine the two to create what will eventually become an infant.

Society is not responsible for homophobia. Men cannot physically and biologically produce offspring without a woman. Attraction to men, as a man, in a completely natural scenario, reduces your chances of having children to ZERO, and so homosexuality is seen as unnatural in nature and without the intervention of society will eventually cause the dying off of that particular organism.

There is biologically no purpose for homosexuality. It is a mental illness and classifies you as inferior, unless you correct your behaviour, and it can be corrected; the liberal propaganda telling you you have no choice is a lie created to ensure you support their cause to destroy Western culture.

Besides, if you have to have a surgical procedure plus artificial chemicals to change sex, the difference between sexes must be more than just cultural.

[Estella]

At 2/22/14 06:12 PM, Sensationalism wrote: You said gender but you sound like you are talking about sexuality.............

?
If you have like girls you are a boy, and you like boys you are a girl.
If you dress like a girl you are a girl and if you dress like a boy you are a boy.

Isn't that what gender really is?

[Ragnarokia]

People are born with a penis or a vagina usually, which you have tend to dictate what gender you are.

[Insanctuary]

At 2/22/14 06:15 PM, Lemonardo wrote: It [homosexuality] is a mental illness

Actually, it's a fetish. All fetishes are based on consequential minds, so everything that we're sexually attracted to can be deemed as a mental issue, but not an illness. This means that whether you fuck the same sex, your dog, a child, the opposite sex (non-reproductive agenda) or food, you're not going to gain anything from it in the long run, and such act is only the product of psychical inflammation.

[JoshuaHughes]

At 2/22/14 06:16 PM, Estella wrote:

At 2/22/14 06:12 PM, Sensationalism wrote: You said gender but you sound like you are talking about sexuality.............

?
If you have like girls you are a boy, and you like boys you are a girl.
If you dress like a girl you are a girl and if you dress like a boy you are a boy.

Isn't that what gender really is?

I've always defined it to be a bit more physiological than that.

[Sensationalism]

At 2/22/14 06:16 PM, Estella wrote:

At 2/22/14 06:12 PM, Sensationalism wrote: You said gender but you sound like you are talking about sexuality.............

?
If you have like girls you are a boy, and you like boys you are a girl.
If you dress like a girl you are a girl and if you dress like a boy you are a boy.

Isn't that what gender really is?

No. Homosexuality exists.

[Piggler]

At 2/22/14 06:16 PM, Estella wrote: If you like girls you are a boy, and you like boys you are a girl.

This doesn't really work with homosexuals.

If you dress like a girl you are a girl and if you dress like a boy you are a boy.

Nowadays, with biological gender differences becoming less and less important to identity, I think this might be a little more true, granted, there is a large chunk of cross-dressers.

[Estella]

At 2/22/14 06:22 PM, Sensationalism wrote:
No. Homosexuality exists.

Okay I know this but not all gay people dress like girls. This is confusing I'll try and put some maths into it, this is how I would teach it to a child now. Please keep in mind would not have had to before recently because this went unquestioned.

Basically if you are born woman then you are 100% female.

Now if you like boys, you are now 75% female so I guess that is what you call homosexual.

If you like to dress like men you are now 20% female.

If you like the same stuff as men you are now 0% female and are now a man.

Not sure if it makes total sense, but I'm willing to learn I listen to these nuts after all.

[JRob]

At 2/22/14 06:27 PM, Estella wrote: Not sure if it makes total sense, but I'm willing to learn I listen to these nuts after all.

It would make a lot more sense if you worded it better.

Is English not your first language?

[KatMaestro]

At 2/22/14 06:19 PM, Ragnarokia wrote: People are born with a penis or a vagina usually, which you have tend to dictate what gender you are.

This case is not true with Thai transgenders.

[Estella]

At 2/22/14 06:34 PM, JRob wrote:

At 2/22/14 06:27 PM, Estella wrote: Not sure if it makes total sense, but I'm willing to learn I listen to these nuts after all.

It would make a lot more sense if you worded it better.

Is English not your first language?

This is rude my example was perfectly punctuated.

[JRob]

At 2/22/14 06:40 PM, Estella wrote:

At 2/22/14 06:34 PM, JRob wrote: It would make a lot more sense if you worded it better.

Is English not your first language?

This is rude my example was perfectly punctuated.

Punctuation has little to do with clarity.

[Estella]

At 2/22/14 06:48 PM, JRob wrote:
Punctuation has little to do with clarity.

What was not clear here:

Basically if you are born woman then you are 100% female.

Now if you like boys, you are now 75% female so I guess that is what you call homosexual.

If you like to dress like men you are now 20% female.

If you like the same stuff as men you are now 0% female and are now a man.

[Sensationalism]

Oh my god.
This is such idiocy.
Hey I guess I'm a man now since I am attracted to the same gender and I share common interests with men.

[Insanctuary]

At 2/22/14 06:22 PM, Sensationalism wrote: No. Homosexuality exists.

You can be homosexual, but you can't be "a" homosexual. Homosexuality is a fetish, therefore it's based off a noun -- the same way you can be heterosexual, but you can't be "a" heterosexual. Sometimes I wonder why I know more about sexual orientations than those that live through them everyday. It demonstrates that there is much hubris and myopia involved in these movements. I wish people would settle down and accept the simplicity behind their desires, personally.

[Thor]

I have no idea what you're trying to get across in the actual post, so I'm just going to respond to the title.

No.

[Estella]

At 2/22/14 06:58 PM, Sensationalism wrote: Oh my god.
This is such idiocy.
Hey I guess I'm a man now since I am attracted to the same gender and I share common interests with men.

Yes yes I think it is idiotic too thanks for having my back maybe not intentionally because you were disagreeing.
But this is the stuff of stupid I'm being brainwashed to believe everyday is true.

[Minion777]

At 2/22/14 06:06 PM, Minion777 wrote: About this mu

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[DM692]

You chromosomes end up with XX or XY. It's certainly a binary measurement, not a human idea.

[Sensationalism]

At 2/22/14 07:01 PM, Estella wrote: But this is the stuff of stupid I'm being brainwashed to believe everyday is true.

Where the hell do you live?
I've never experienced any of that.

[Insanctuary]

At 2/22/14 07:02 PM, DM692 wrote: You chromosomes end up with XX or XY. It's certainly a binary measurement, not a human idea.

You forget we contain enough of both gender-based chemicals and biological constructs to be both -- depending on what we desire. In the end, both genders become an animal when they stop playing the acting game.

[Estella]

At 2/22/14 07:05 PM, Sensationalism wrote:

At 2/22/14 07:01 PM, Estella wrote: But this is the stuff of stupid I'm being brainwashed to believe everyday is true.

Where the hell do you live?
I've never experienced any of that.

Well I went to the doctors the other week for an antibiotic and he wanted to know if I was male or female.

I said: Isn't it obvious.

And he said: No it's not, many patients are changing overnight.

And I was left wondering how can this be? Then there are loads of people on the internet saying none of it is real it's just what you enjoy so if you to be man, you like blue, men, and football and if you are woman stay dressed as one.
It's very confusing.

[Profanity]

That depends on what you mean by 'construct'. The behavioral, social, and physiological effects of the sex hormones estrogen, androgen, and testosterone–and the emulation of those effects–are typically what people are talking about when they say 'gender'. People with more testosterone act more manly and people with more estrogen act more effeminately. There are many hormones, and people always have the ability to act independently of their hormones (which will change their hormone levels, incidentally). People can also take hormones to change the way their body functions biologically, and their behavior. But endocrinology is an extremely complex subject, and there are new hormones (and steroids, and all sorts of chemicals) being researched and discovered all the time.

Random fact: brain scans of male and female brains have shown obvious and macroscopic distinctions between the way men and women think.