Science is changing constantly, we may think that us believing the earth was flat was stupid but I guarantee you that something we believe today is scientific fact will turn out to be equally or more idiotic. Our ignorance of the unknown scares me.
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This "flawed" science is the very thing that brought you the internet you're using to bitch about it.
At 2/20/14 09:27 PM, NuclearInfected wrote: This "flawed" science is the very thing that brought you the internet you're using to bitch about it.
GET OUT OF MY HEAD.
At 2/20/14 09:27 PM, NuclearInfected wrote: This "flawed" science is the very thing that brought you the internet you're using to bitch about it.
I'm not bitching, I just don't want to believe in something that will later be revealed to be stupid.
An opinion is like a fart. No one likes it but eventually it evaporates into nothing. Mike David
I better stop giving people presents of microscopes, test tubes, petri dishes, bunsen burners, and periodic tables then.
At 2/20/14 09:30 PM, AngryGrag wrote: I'm not bitching, I just don't want to believe in something that will later be revealed to be stupid.
You have to realize that as a civilization learns more and more, there becomes less and less things to learn and eventually our scientific understandings will become less and less incorrect. The more you advance, the faster you advance, and the less likely you are to be wrong about something.
However, going with what you said, one thing I try to explain to people who are hardcore believers that you can't go faster than light in any way period is that people used to think the world was flat, and people also used to think that you couldn't go faster than sound.
It's all really a manipulated Matrix of critical thought. I'd stick to a humanitarian job, myself.
Jah Bless.......
It is true that science evolves regularly and ideas/theories get disproved all the time. But committing your life to understanding the world as we know it is not a life wasted by any means.
Those who do not learn from the mistakes of their past are doomed to repeat them.
At 2/20/14 09:30 PM, AngryGrag wrote:At 2/20/14 09:27 PM, NuclearInfected wrote: This "flawed" science is the very thing that brought you the internet you're using to bitch about it.I'm not bitching, I just don't want to believe in something that will later be revealed to be stupid.
Trust me, none of the people who thought the earth was flat is still alive. So we will all be known as the primitives who were just to stupid to know. However by that time we will all be dead. One other thing.....science isn't changing and it never will, it is our understanding of (what is) is all that changes.
Science- Mans Best Guess
An Eye For An Eye Will Make The World Blind.......right?
At 2/20/14 10:06 PM, Maltos wrote: Trust me, none of the people who thought the earth was flat is still alive.
At 2/20/14 10:06 PM, Maltos wrote: Trust me, none of the people who thought the earth was flat is still alive.
At 2/20/14 09:22 PM, AngryGrag wrote: Science is changing constantly
It's changing, therefore it is "flawed".
You're growing up, you're changing, therefore you're flawed, too.
At 2/20/14 10:10 PM, Thor wrote:At 2/20/14 10:06 PM, Maltos wrote: Trust me, none of the people who thought the earth was flat is still alive.http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/
I totally forgot about that forum til now. What abunch of fucking weirdos man. We either don't exist at all or exist exactly how scientific research shows us OTHERWISE. I mean honestly...come on.
At 2/20/14 10:25 PM, Shauna wrote:At 2/20/14 10:10 PM, Thor wrote:What abunch of fucking weirdos man.At 2/20/14 10:06 PM, Maltos wrote: Trust me, none of the people who thought the earth was flat is still alive.http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/
Hey, I'm a member of that site!
At 2/20/14 10:10 PM, Thor wrote:At 2/20/14 10:06 PM, Maltos wrote: Trust me, none of the people who thought the earth was flat is still alive.http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/
Sigh........Thor I think that you r the spawn of thor
An Eye For An Eye Will Make The World Blind.......right?
At 2/20/14 09:34 PM, Xenomit wrote:At 2/20/14 09:30 PM, AngryGrag wrote: I'm not bitching, I just don't want to believe in something that will later be revealed to be stupid.You have to realize that as a civilization learns more and more, there becomes less and less things to learn and eventually our scientific understandings will become less and less incorrect.
We can never know anything for sure either.
Quantum mechanics hit us like a 20 pound flounder.
At 2/20/14 09:22 PM, AngryGrag wrote: Science is changing constantly, we may think that us believing the earth was flat was stupid but I guarantee you that something we believe today is scientific fact will turn out to be equally or more idiotic. Our ignorance of the unknown scares me.
I agree with this for the most part.
I believe that that "something" will be the big bang theory.
All of the observations we have made thus far about the universe were made from (or in very close proximity to) planet earth.
It would be foolish to say we have a remarkable vantage point of such an infinite and magnificent construct.... and it reflects back upon us believing shit like we are at the center of the solar system.
(see the copernican principle)
We are not at the center of the universe.... and we can not observe enough of it to ascertain that it is expanding everywhere, unless we have vantage points from other locations.
At 2/20/14 09:22 PM, AngryGrag wrote: Science is changing constantly, we may think that us believing the earth was flat was stupid but I guarantee you that something we believe today is scientific fact will turn out to be equally or more idiotic. Our ignorance of the unknown scares me.
why should this be surprising? humans are mortals. scientific theories are discovered us, and as we gather more evidence, our understanding of the natural world changes accordingly.
we only know so much about the world. the fact that science changes is due to our limitations.
for instance, it was thought that the earth was flat because humans could not detect any curvature in the ancient times, and people found it hard to believe the earth was round.
this does not mean science, as a form of reasoning, is fundamentally flawed. science is a self-correcting process. we make mistakes, and we correct them, and will continue to do so. we make better predictions as our description of the world becomes more accurate.
while it is true that science is not all powerful, you are overlooking the great achievements of science. without it, we will be living in a much more primitive world.
28/12/14 - the last day I made sense.
At 2/20/14 09:22 PM, AngryGrag wrote: Our ignorance of the unknown scares me.
An ignorance to most mostly unknown. It's scary. :/
It's not science which is flawed, it's communication and population statistics which are flawed. It's incredibly easy to claim that "all people x years ago believed y" when that may not be the case whatsoever. The oral and written traditions which are passed down err in judgement to favor the strongest military presence. Cultures which had it right may not have spent enough time strengthening their army rather than letting their mathematicians measure shadows in wells at noon, and were then subsumed by larger warring cultures.
Modern science is different from ancient philosophy, too. Millions of people are given credibility based on how well their hypotheses related to the extant measurements of pure science, and a billion people are working to prove those hypotheses wrong. The end result is that the theories of science make accurate predictions about the universe.
Just an 02er.
It doesn't matter if science isn't hard fact, as long as it works.
You can argue classical mechanics isn't "right" because it's only valid over certain ranges of size or velocity, but that doesn't mean all our bridges are going to fall down and the brakes on your car are going to stop working.
A scientific theory is the best explanation we have based on the current information available. In order to be a theory it also has to actually work and be able to predict things. If we find something that contradicts it we modify and improve it so it also accounts for that, and its predictive power becomes greater.
Science is not a finished product, and likely never will be. It's constantly evolving and giving greater insight into the universe. That's why it's interesting.
At 2/21/14 09:15 AM, TheMaster wrote: It doesn't matter if science isn't hard fact, as long as it works.
You can argue classical mechanics isn't "right" because it's only valid over certain ranges of size or velocity, but that doesn't mean all our bridges are going to fall down and the brakes on your car are going to stop working.
the theory of gravity is a branch of classical mechanics, unless you try to quantize gravity and eventually hit a dead end, loop quantum gravity is a good example of it.
28/12/14 - the last day I made sense.
No scientific ideas or theories are certain and probably never will be. Science must always undergo evolution and be open to new discoveries.
Just chillin' like always.
Science isn't flawed
the scientific principle is to test something, keep testing something until everybody (or a lot of people) in the scientific community agree that it is correct.
until someone else comes along and says, well... actually!
Then the cycle repeats, ad nauseum.
Women and men are eq-- I'm not even finishing that joke you're right ho
*sigh*
I have a gut feeling that the OP is not even remotely as accurate as science is. What's funny about it? OP does small, unimportant stuff nobody cares about and is far more likely to be wrong than people that have to deal with the most complicated and mysterious forms of life.
You do not make examples, you make excuses; you do not solve problems, you shift problems; you do not stand behind your statements, you stand behind your stasis.
At 2/20/14 09:22 PM, AngryGrag wrote: Science is changing constantly, we may think that us believing the earth was flat was stupid but I guarantee you that something we believe today is scientific fact will turn out to be equally or more idiotic.
Science, or at least "the scientific method," I once described in an essay as a collection of what seem to be the most reasonable and well substantiated assumptions we can make about the nature of our reality based on observation.
So yes, it's all kind of a hodge-podge of people making assumptions.
But it usually works.
Our ignorance of the unknown scares me.
It excites me... If there's no unknown then where's the adventure!?
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At 2/20/14 11:31 PM, Raab wrote:At 2/20/14 09:22 PM, AngryGrag wrote: Science is changing constantly, we may think that us believing the earth was flat was stupid but I guarantee you that something we believe today is scientific fact will turn out to be equally or more idiotic. Our ignorance of the unknown scares me.I agree with this for the most part.
I believe that that "something" will be the big bang theory.
All of the observations we have made thus far about the universe were made from (or in very close proximity to) planet earth.
It would be foolish to say we have a remarkable vantage point of such an infinite and magnificent construct.... and it reflects back upon us believing shit like we are at the center of the solar system.
(see the copernican principle)
We are not at the center of the universe.... and we can not observe enough of it to ascertain that it is expanding everywhere, unless we have vantage points from other locations.
How will the realization of that ever be made, if the areas outside of our causal patch that are receding away from us at greater than the speed of light can by definition never be observed? Unless the expansion of our observable universe starts to look different in different directions, then the current model will hold. I'd make a guess that the accuracy of the measurements are already pretty high, so that seems unlikely.
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