Vicente Fox

[anhnonymous]

Should we give amnesty to the nearly 4 million illegal "Mexican" immigrants? I say HELL NO! What about the other illegals? Why are we just singling out mexicans. Because this guy asked us nicely? His whole speech was based on "trust". I say bull! We trusted you to run your country with as little help as possible, and now your asking us for more favors? I mean the U.S. practically won the election for him. If we give them amnesty now, why not do it every year? Next thing you know it will be an annual thing. It will never end. We would just be giving them the green light to cross the border. Bush fucked up big time. Once again I wonder where this will all lead to.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 9/6/01 05:47 PM, anhnonymous wrote: Should we give amnesty to the nearly 4 million illegal "Mexican" immigrants? I say HELL NO! What about the other illegals? Why are we just singling out mexicans. Because this guy asked us nicely? His whole speech was based on "trust". I say bull! We trusted you to run your country with as little help as possible, and now your asking us for more favors? I mean the U.S. practically won the election for him. If we give them amnesty now, why not do it every year? Next thing you know it will be an annual thing. It will never end. We would just be giving them the green light to cross the border. Bush fucked up big time. Once again I wonder where this will all lead to.

I agree... it's a pretty backwards plan... This is definitly not the way to imporove a countries position, just a quick fix, and America doesn't need to bear the brunt...

[KaneOfNod]

At 9/6/01 05:47 PM, anhnonymous wrote: Should we give amnesty to the nearly 4 million illegal "Mexican" immigrants? I say HELL NO! What about the other illegals? Why are we just singling out mexicans. Because this guy asked us nicely? His whole speech was based on "trust". I say bull! We trusted you to run your country with as little help as possible, and now your asking us for more favors? I mean the U.S. practically won the election for him. If we give them amnesty now, why not do it every year? Next thing you know it will be an annual thing. It will never end. We would just be giving them the green light to cross the border. Bush fucked up big time. Once again I wonder where this will all lead to.

Bush didn't fuck up; he hasn't decided yet and is leaning towards not granting it.

I, too, am opposed to it. We should reward people whose first action in this country was breaking the law?

[wdfcverfgtghm]

I, too, am opposed to it. We should reward people whose first action in this country was breaking the law?

Then If that was true then they would have the vote of proter and gamble...

[anhnonymous]

At 9/6/01 07:01 PM, KaneOfNod wrote:

Bush didn't fuck up; he hasn't decided yet and is leaning towards not granting it.

Yes I know but he fucked up when he gave fox the podium to speak. Now it seems like bush is backed to a corner on whether he still has good relations with fox or not. I think fox is pretty sly, he's used to the backstabbing type of government. Bush got knocked offguard with this "ultimatum".

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 9/6/01 07:14 PM, anhnonymous wrote:

At 9/6/01 07:01 PM, KaneOfNod wrote:

Bush didn't fuck up; he hasn't decided yet and is leaning towards not granting it.

Yes I know but he fucked up when he gave fox the podium to speak. Now it seems like bush is backed to a corner on whether he still has good relations with fox or not. I think fox is pretty sly, he's used to the backstabbing type of government. Bush got knocked offguard with this "ultimatum".

I totally disagree... giving someone the right to speak their mind is never a bad idea. Epsecially sence it's two days or so after the Mexican State of the Union and Vicente Fox made this topic a big issue. If for two days after, he to be denied... I would fear major international repercussions trade wise and other.

[anhnonymous]

At 9/6/01 07:17 PM, Anarchypenguin wrote:

At 9/6/01 07:14 PM, anhnonymous wrote:

At 9/6/01 07:01 PM, KaneOfNod wrote:

Bush didn't fuck up; he hasn't decided yet and is leaning towards not granting it.

Yes I know but he fucked up when he gave fox the podium to speak. Now it seems like bush is backed to a corner on whether he still has good relations with fox or not. I think fox is pretty sly, he's used to the backstabbing type of government. Bush got knocked offguard with this "ultimatum".

I totally disagree... giving someone the right to speak their mind is never a bad idea. Epsecially sence it's two days or so after the Mexican State of the Union and Vicente Fox made this topic a big issue. If for two days after, he to be denied... I would fear major international repercussions trade wise and other.

[anhnonymous]

At 9/6/01 07:17 PM, Anarchypenguin wrote:

At 9/6/01 07:14 PM, anhnonymous wrote:

At 9/6/01 07:01 PM, KaneOfNod wrote:

Bush didn't fuck up; he hasn't decided yet and is leaning towards not granting it.

Yes I know but he fucked up when he gave fox the podium to speak. Now it seems like bush is backed to a corner on whether he still has good relations with fox or not. I think fox is pretty sly, he's used to the backstabbing type of government. Bush got knocked offguard with this "ultimatum".

I totally disagree... giving someone the right to speak their mind is never a bad idea. Epsecially sence it's two days or so after the Mexican State of the Union and Vicente Fox made this topic a big issue. If for two days after, he to be denied... I would fear major international repercussions trade wise and other.

True I guess, but he was also saying how we should stop checking on them every year to see if they are keeping their end of the bargain on the war against drugs. Why, if he has nothing to hide.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 9/6/01 07:28 PM, anhnonymous wrote:

At 9/6/01 07:17 PM, Anarchypenguin wrote:

At 9/6/01 07:14 PM, anhnonymous wrote:

At 9/6/01 07:01 PM, KaneOfNod wrote:

Bush didn't fuck up; he hasn't decided yet and is leaning towards not granting it.

Yes I know but he fucked up when he gave fox the podium to speak. Now it seems like bush is backed to a corner on whether he still has good relations with fox or not. I think fox is pretty sly, he's used to the backstabbing type of government. Bush got knocked offguard with this "ultimatum".

I totally disagree... giving someone the right to speak their mind is never a bad idea. Epsecially sence it's two days or so after the Mexican State of the Union and Vicente Fox made this topic a big issue. If for two days after, he to be denied... I would fear major international repercussions trade wise and other.

True I guess, but he was also saying how we should stop checking on them every year to see if they are keeping their end of the bargain on the war against drugs. Why, if he has nothing to hide.

What he said, and giving him the right to speak are diffrent. I agree policy wise that this would be a bad move, but I disagree if you are saying Bush should not have let him speak.

[Freakapotimus]

Thursday September 6 3:11 PM ET

Fox Urges Immigration Overhaul
By GEORGE GEDDA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Mexican President Vicente Fox pressed his case for swift immigration overhaul to Congress on Thursday. But President Bush called proposals to grant legal status to Mexicans now in the country illegally ``an incredibly complex issue.''

Bush suggested it was unlikely that Congress would be able to come up with a plan within a year but said he fully understands Fox's desire to expedite the process.

``We have heard his call,'' said Bush, flanked by Fox at a joint news conference.

On Wednesday, Fox, in a surprise move, had urged that the two governments reach an agreement by year's end, but Congress, which has the final say, is deeply divided on the issue.

In their joint statement, the two leaders said they plan to form a public-private ``Partnership for Prosperity,'' that would seek ways to spur economic growth in Mexico as a means of reducing migration. The alliance would submit an action plan to the two leaders by March 1, 2002.

At his news conference, Bush said that a major obstacle was devising a system that would allow many of the up to 3 million Mexicans now in the United States illegally to gain legal status - without penalizing those who have already applied for such status though existing channels.

Earlier, Fox addressed a packed joint session of the House and Senate, urging greater trust between the neighboring countries as the basis for ``a new partnership in North America.''

``Trust will be essential to achieve our goals,'' he said.

The charismatic former Coca-Cola executive, on the second day of a state visit, supports a legalization package for Mexicans now in the United States.

Bush agrees that the present situation is deeply flawed. ``There are many in this country who are undocumented. We want to make sure that their labor is legal,'' Bush said. But, he asked, ``How do we match a willing employer with a willing employee?''

Bush said that his administration and Congress needed to ``think creatively'' on expanding the current U.S. guest worker program so more Mexicans could obtain ``green cards'' designating legal standing.

``We're trying to work though a formula that will not penalize the person who has chosen the legal route and at the same time recognize the contribution the undocumented (worker) has made,'' he added.

``This is an incredibly complex issue. ... To make matters even more complicated, we have to work with Congress,'' Bush said.

Bush also urged Congress to deliver on two requests of the Mexican president: lifting restrictions on Mexican trucks on U.S. highways and suspending a program requiring Mexico to get annual certification that it has cooperated in the war against drugs.

He repeated a veto threat against legislation to extend the ban on Mexican trucks.

Fox spoke mostly in English but delivered portions of his speech in Spanish. When he spoke in Spanish, a translator in the House chamber followed with the English version for the lawmakers.

The Mexican president addressed head-on critics who see undocumented aliens as lawbreakers and do not deserve to remain on U.S. soil.

Legalization ``does not mean rewarding those who break the law,'' Fox said. ``It means that we will provide them with the legal means to allow them to continue contributing to this great nation.''

He renewed his appeal for higher ceilings for U.S. visas for Mexicans and for an expanded program of temporary work visas so that Mexicans can enter the country safely.

And, in remarks aimed at the Mexicans in the United States, Fox said: ``Mexico needs you. We need your talent and entrepreneurship. We need you to come home one day and play a part in building a strong Mexico''

He said he recognized that many on both side of the 2,000-mile-long border view closer ties as risky and perhaps unwise.

But he said he didn't believe the old adage that ``good fences make good neighbors.''

Turning to the war on drugs, Fox said that ``cooperation is not a nicety. It is a necessity.''

His speech lasted about 30 minutes. In his address, Fox used the word ``trust'' at least 25 times.

``Simple trust - that is what has been sorely absent in our relationship in the past,'' he said.

Fox's speech was interrupted at least 11 times by applause. From the podium of the House of Representatives, Fox addressed a packed gathering of House and Senate members, the president's Cabinet and a delegation of diplomats.

Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., praised Fox's remarks. ``For him to say, we are changing, this is an opportunity, trust us, I'm willing to do that.

``I think President Fox did a magnificent job. A boffo performance. Viva Fox,'' Lott said.

Sen. Jesse Helms, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said Fox's speech ``was not only well prepared, you could tell he meant it. I think he's a great leader.''

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., said, ``The bottom line is the fences are going to go down between these two countries, and it's in the interests of both countries and both peoples that we make it work.''

After the news conference, the Mexican president joined Bush on a trip to Toledo, Ohio, a Democratic and union stronghold with a large and growing Hispanic population.

The two presidents were scheduled to visit with children at a Hispanic community center in Toledo, speak at a university and release a joint communique outlining their immigration goals.

[Done1done1done]

I think it's fascinating that after 70 some odd years of single party rule, that another party was able to break into Mexican politics and elect Fox. I don't necessarily agree on the issue of immigration (for the sake of American workers, we can't allow 4 million people to have immediate citizenship), but I have complete respect for the government in general.

[Slizor]

Should we give amnesty to the nearly 4 million illegal "Mexican" immigrants? I say HELL NO! What about the other illegals? Why are we just singling out mexicans. Because this guy asked us nicely? His whole speech was based on "trust". I say bull! We trusted you to run your country with as little help as possible, and now your asking us for more favors? I mean the U.S. practically won the election for him. If we give them amnesty now, why not do it every year? Next thing you know it will be an annual thing. It will never end. We would just be giving them the green light to cross the border. Bush fucked up big time. Once again I wonder where this will all lead to.

Not that I really know what you are talking about,but I got the vague jist. So what you are saying is that the land of the free, also a land whoose very foundations stem from immagration, will not allow people in the country?

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 9/7/01 03:37 PM, Slizor wrote:

Should we give amnesty to the nearly 4 million illegal "Mexican" immigrants? I say HELL NO! What about the other illegals? Why are we just singling out mexicans. Because this guy asked us nicely? His whole speech was based on "trust". I say bull! We trusted you to run your country with as little help as possible, and now your asking us for more favors? I mean the U.S. practically won the election for him. If we give them amnesty now, why not do it every year? Next thing you know it will be an annual thing. It will never end. We would just be giving them the green light to cross the border. Bush fucked up big time. Once again I wonder where this will all lead to.

Not that I really know what you are talking about,but I got the vague jist. So what you are saying is that the land of the free, also a land whoose very foundations stem from immagration, will not allow people in the country?

Yes... That's what immigration offices are for. Public services can't be provided to illegally entered immigrants... Ohh Commie of mine.

Not that I favor public services...

[Slizor]

Yes... That's what immigration offices are for. Public services can't be provided to illegally entered immigrants... Ohh Commie of mine.

So basically they are controlling who is in/out of the country, doesn't seem too free to me.

[anhnonymous]

At 9/7/01 03:37 PM, Slizor wrote:

Should we give amnesty to the nearly 4 million illegal "Mexican" immigrants? I say HELL NO! What about the other illegals? Why are we just singling out mexicans. Because this guy asked us nicely? His whole speech was based on "trust". I say bull! We trusted you to run your country with as little help as possible, and now your asking us for more favors? I mean the U.S. practically won the election for him. If we give them amnesty now, why not do it every year? Next thing you know it will be an annual thing. It will never end. We would just be giving them the green light to cross the border. Bush fucked up big time. Once again I wonder where this will all lead to.

Not that I really know what you are talking about,but I got the vague jist. So what you are saying is that the land of the free, also a land whoose very foundations stem from immagration, will not allow people in the country?

Ok...let me barney this to you. Let's just say there is a really good restaurant, its so popular that the only way to get in is with a reservation, or you have to wait in a long line. Say you chose to wait in the line, an hour later 20 people cut in front and walked in. Should the restaurant serve those 20 that cut in front of everyone else? Or should they only cater to the ones that waited patiently. How fucked up would that be if you waited then get bumped back because these assholes cutted to the front? Now do you understand vague one?

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 9/7/01 04:50 PM, Slizor wrote:

Yes... That's what immigration offices are for. Public services can't be provided to illegally entered immigrants... Ohh Commie of mine.

So basically they are controlling who is in/out of the country, doesn't seem too free to me.

There is no perfect society and no freedom. It's not possible. Granted, we must strive to see such happen but letting it muck about in turmoil won't solve anything.

[anhnonymous]

At 9/7/01 04:50 PM, Slizor wrote:

So basically they are controlling who is in/out of the country, doesn't seem too free to me.

Fucking-A you are stupid. Well no shit we will control who gets in. Why the fuck would we want rapists and murderers coming into the country? Use some common sense dumbass. And if your not a citizen, and you commit a serious crime, damn right we're gonna deport your ass. That's probably why your family is in england. I think that's the reason why you hate us so much. Cause your family probably got deported.

[Slizor]

Gameboy: Oh vague one, you are making no sense when put in context.

Fucking-A you are stupid. Well no shit we will control who gets in. Why the fuck would we want rapists and murderers coming into the country?

Who said they were murderers and rapists? The fact is that even if they have no criminal record they still get deported.

Use some common sense dumbass. And if your not a citizen, and you commit a serious crime, damn right we're gonna deport your ass.

But they don't even do that!

That's probably why your family is in england. I think that's the reason why you hate us so much. Cause your family probably got deported.

What about your(plural) hate of communists? The fact you fuck every country in the world up?

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 9/10/01 01:47 PM, Slizor wrote: Gameboy: Oh vague one, you are making no sense when put in context.

Fucking-A you are stupid. Well no shit we will control who gets in. Why the fuck would we want rapists and murderers coming into the country?

Who said they were murderers and rapists? The fact is that even if they have no criminal record they still get deported.

How do you or I know that? that is the purpose of Immigrantion agencies. Thats why we should not allow illegal immigrants redemtion.

Use some common sense dumbass. And if your not a citizen, and you commit a serious crime, damn right we're gonna deport your ass.

But they don't even do that!

Salmon Rushty! (o wait... that's your guy... Limey)

That's probably why your family is in england. I think that's the reason why you hate us so much. Cause your family probably got deported.

What about your(plural) hate of communists? The fact you fuck every country in the world up?

Slizor... Weren't you told that we are all better than you? Yup it's in the history books. :P

[Slizor]

Slizor... Weren't you told that we are all better than you? Yup it's in the history books. :P

Is that why you got bombed?

[anhnonymous]

At 9/11/01 12:23 PM, Slizor wrote:

Slizor... Weren't you told that we are all better than you? Yup it's in the history books. :P

Is that why you got bombed?

Once again, you piece of shit, you better shut the fuck up. At least I have a nation that i'm proud to live in. Where as you don't have anything to be proud of. I remember you said once that you just live in england because you have to. Such pity no natioanl pride cuz' no one would want your heartless ass.

[Slizor]

Once again, you piece of shit, you better shut the fuck up. At least I have a nation that i'm proud to live in. Where as you don't have anything to be proud of. I remember you said once that you just live in england because you have to. Such pity no natioanl pride cuz' no one would want your heartless ass.

Proud because you opprese the world? Yeah, whoa, great. I don't have any national pride because I don't define nations.