The good ole days

[Razefan]

I am so sick of people who think america has gone to shit and its horrible and used to be amazing.

I hate to break it to you, but if you were even slightly educated in history you would know that America has been breaking its own rights since it began.

Right now is pretty much the best america has ever been. It's not perfect, not nearly. But acting like all the horrible things happening is a new issue and everything was perfect before is just stupid.

There is this paranoid idea that America is taking away our rights, well the truth is it can't take away what we never had.
Just look at america's history.
Pretty much until the early 1900's if you weren't extremely rich your life was shit. People worked 12 hour shifts in extremely dangerous factories, entire families living in one room apartments. The ground was filthy and polluted, the living conditions were worse than the conditions of some of the worse third world countries today.
Even children slaved in factories, they had little kids working in dangerous clothing factories were they often got their fingers ripped off. What then? Fired and thrown into the streets to starve.
Just look at before that, the civil war was basically brother vs brother and ripped america apart. Slavery saw millions of african american people ripped from their families and treated as less than animals.
The KKK burning down homes and whipping black children. The lawless west were men were shot for their cows.
Even nearer to our modern day things like these are abundant. During world war 2 America arrested thousands of Japanese American citizens because they were japanese. Literally locked away for the amount of pigment in their skin.
Looking at the history of native americans, its basically a holocaust of the USA. We spread diseases, warred their nations, killed this children, massacred their food supply, and stole their land.
Just looking at our constitution, when it was created things like "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" were not meant to go for slaves and native americans. We did not consider natives to be citizens even though their families were hear thousands of years before America was colonized.

I think a lot of this "good ole' days " ideal has too do with the failure of American schools to paint a correct picture in people's minds. They sugar coat history to glorify America as the greatest place on earth. Brushing over the horrors that occur.

For gods sake, we celebrate Columbus day. Columbus, yeah. The guy who murdered and enslaved hundreds of innocent natives. He has a holiday.

If any of this was a shock to you, I suggest you research some actual history for yourself.

Do you guys agree or disagree with me? Discuss.

[AJ]

Well obviously there's never been a true utopia era in US history that we can look back on as an example, but there have been eras where progress continued on at a pace that was admirable. There have also been some times where things went backwards, and those aren't really taught in history class. For example, Jackie Robinson wasn't the first professional African American baseball player. He was the first to break out of the negro leagues that were established closer to the 1900's, but there was a period in history between 1865-1890 when blacks had more rights than they did between 1910-1930. Mississippi in 1870 elected its first black Senator, and blacks were allowed to own plantations. Almost 100 years later, that was illegal, and African Americans were still casually lynched. The periods following the Great Depression and WWII were also very positive when it comes to workers rights and the economy in general, but then, the regulations and laws that came about as a result of the exploitation of workers and the instability of markets were gradually stripped away from 1980-present. So I think we can learn lessons from history about progress and regression, despite the issues that were critical in those times seeming quite terrible all around in retrospect.

[Razefan]

Truly I agree with you, but its important to remember while some things do better at times other things do worse.
I guess in the end learning the truth about history is important to stop people from repeating it.

[venturequestlord]

At 1/2/14 06:26 PM, Razefan wrote: Truly I agree with you, but its important to remember while some things do better at times other things do worse.
I guess in the end learning the truth about history is important to stop people from repeating it.

Yes I agree with you on this. But still the USA lacks proper judgement. For example, USA is selling drones to Japan (again the wrong decision and judgement from USA). America supporting India's energy needs instead of Pakistans (again wrong decision from USA - since India blocks the hydro dams from above to prevent Pakistan from recieving them to their dams creating Energy Problems. The USA building Civil Nuclear Energy Plants for India & not Pakistan (telling Pakistan that the country does not need it again USA strikes again).

USA thinking India might have the right to Kashmir even though if your search for crimes by both countries on Kashmir like say:
Atrocities commited by India on Kashmir or Atrocities Commited by Pakistan on Kashmir. You find little to no problems from Pakistan side but huge lists of rape, killings and torture from India:
Heres a comprehensive data on India's corruption: A Catalogue of Indian Atrocities in Kashmir

Again, USA is very, very, very unaware of its actions that are going to bring problems to innocent people. Instead USA support Criminals as always. And also, Pakistan is much advanced, safe & trustworthy then India even China knows since China had visited Both Countries Many Many Times.

Finally, USA again supports India in Military weaponry by giving them weapons what will USA Achieve? Revenue. And what India will do? Corruption. Lastly, USA, USA, USA what is wrong with your think tanks??? Are you people seriously even trying to make the world secure? No. Your method of security fails, all you guys do is tap into CIA sustems to see if the Internet holds terrorist plans (how foolish can USA become). Hillary Clinton comes to Pakistan just talks about keeping control in Pakistan (thats all their support, man its such a joke). While lets looks at China:
- Had given military support on our borders to make them secure, joined defence drills and pratices and help create defense technology.
- China also help by trade.
- China promoted peace in region and insisted on tellings its businesses to invest in Pakistan.
- theres much more, I'm tired of typing.

And about India, Intelligence Agency ranked 8th in the world. What these assholes do is come in Pakistan, plant bombs and hide in midst of our people. Killing many. They impersonate as muslims and try to show that muslims are extremists. Again, after tgey get caught they either:
a) do suicide.
b) abuse other prisoners until the other prisoners beat them to death.
c) blame whatever nonesense on Pakistan
d) are also involved in rape cases.
e) Scam the Web by impersonation and disguises.

It is just unbelievable that such people even exist. I'll tell you what, Pakistani people say straight to face, if they are Pakistani and never try to create corruption, but fight against it. USA, Shame on You. India..., disgusting, vulgar, rapests, liars, spy, double-faced and worshippers of Items, materials and animals. Country lacks human rights and has tge highest gamg rape crimes. Go on USA, send your people their. Finally, Adobe company investments in INDIA its really idiocy of USA that shines the brightest as a "Super-Nova".

I can write a whole book about India's corrupted land and USA's idiocy, crimes & dimwitted politics. Furthermore, I can bring up a dozen of videos from Youtube of what an average red-neck American buys into of its fabricated medias lies. I can hit up a huge list of videos of India's publishers on War, they usually posting stuff like; India has thus military weapon and that; and the stuff about India vs. Pakistan crap. Pakistan doesn't even want to spit on filthy pigs like Indians. Just research yourselves before you guys jump on to your lap-tops posting idiotic videos such as "Burn the Quran" and other very idiotic crap such as the blasphemous films.

People of USA, wake up. Don't jump to conclusions and be tricked by your media. Do research, highlight proof and make it accurate. And think a dozen of times before you take a step that-may lead to conflict.

[Ranger2]

This is not so much a call to re-evaluate history as it is some angry guy ranting about the US. Yawn.

[venturequestlord]

At 1/3/14 03:31 AM, Ranger2 wrote: This is not so much a call to re-evaluate history as it is some angry guy ranting about the US. Yawn.

Just goes to show, that even the people of this country are such narrow minded as you. The topic said the good ole days, I replied What good ole days? America has been fucking up ever since Columbus set foot in the USA. USA past sucks even more then any country in the world. And has a bunch of dense population of people that are/have been brainwashed.

[Ranger2]

At 1/3/14 03:41 AM, venturequestlord wrote: Just goes to show, that even the people of this country are such narrow minded as you...

You are just as brainwashed as the people who believe that America has done no wrong. Extremists like yourself are the real narrow-minded people. How about you do some actual research on this country instead of reading pamphlets online that tell you only what you want to hear.

And what about the history of your country? Every country has skeletons in their closet. Let's talk about those too, shall we?

[AJ]

At 1/3/14 02:39 AM, venturequestlord wrote: I hate India

Ah yes. Day 24,276 of the Indo-Pakistani conflict, and you all still can't get along. Let it go, man. Ranting about India to try and convince Americans that Indians are terrible people isn't going to end the tensions between India and Pakistan. Eventually, you're all gonna have to put the past behind you, and move forward. Pakistan has tremendous issues with poverty, drugs, corruption, and jihadist militias. Why don't you focus your posts on solutions to that stuff instead? Look forward instead of backwards.

[venturequestlord]

At 1/3/14 07:10 AM, AJ wrote:

At 1/3/14 02:39 AM, venturequestlord wrote: I hate India

Ah yes. Day 24,276 of the Indo-Pakistani conflict, and you all still can't get along. Let it go, man. Ranting about India to try and convince Americans that Indians are terrible people isn't going to end the tensions between India and Pakistan. Eventually, you're all gonna have to put the past behind you, and move forward. Pakistan has tremendous issues with poverty, drugs, corruption, and jihadist militias. Why don't you focus your posts on solutions to that stuff instead? Look forward instead of backwards.

Yeah, your right. But think about it their are always threat of Wars in Asia, it sucks that people in Asia have to live with fear everyday. Just think from the asian point of view & see that USA has to make decisions and they have to be based on accurate circumstances.

But yeah lets focus on the future & hope that security/peace/territorial threats come down all around the world.

[venturequestlord]

At 1/3/14 04:01 AM, Ranger2 wrote:

At 1/3/14 03:41 AM, venturequestlord wrote: Just goes to show, that even the people of this country are such narrow minded as you...

You are just as brainwashed as the people who believe that America has done no wrong. Extremists like yourself are the real narrow-minded people. How about you do some actual research on this country instead of reading pamphlets online that tell you only what you want to hear.

And what about the history of your country? Every country has skeletons in their closet. Let's talk about those too

I gave my opinion, you gave yours. I'm sure that all what I said isn't accurate by some Amount. But I ain't pointing at just USA. Many country have their crimes, (doesn't leave Pakistan out). But anyhow, USA has its own problems, Pakistan has its own. Its just when the time comes USA & its people should support whats right and not look at whether friend or foe. That's all.

[venturequestlord]

But yeah lets focus on the future & hope that security/peace/territorial threats come down all around the world.

Sorry for the 3rd post..., last sentence didn't look correct. "So,Lets hope peace, security and territorial rights are safely established between regions with little conflict.

[leanlifter1]

At 1/2/14 04:23 PM, Razefan wrote: I am so sick of people who think america has gone to shit and its horrible and used to be amazing.

USA was never amzing for the fact that whatever good is created for it's own was at the cost of much pain and suffering of others.

I hate to break it to you, but if you were even slightly educated in history you would know that America has been breaking its own rights since it began.

The constitution is bullshit. The only thing that ever ran the country of the US & A was the Banks and not solid moral fiber.

Right now is pretty much the best america has ever been. It's not perfect, not nearly. But acting like all the horrible things happening is a new issue and everything was perfect before is just stupid.

I cannot agree that America is at it's best at all. Take the National debt for an example or the Fed or the fact that Millions of citizens are our of house and home because of quasi politics and money management both on the Federal and personal levels.

There is this paranoid idea that America is taking away our rights, well the truth is it can't take away what we never had.

You can't mitigate the fact that America is fucked because it never gave people right's cause American's had many right's and it's not a paranoid delusion that the Government is actually taking these right's away.

For example take the (NDAA) which outlines the fact that the Government can permanently imprison anyone they wish without trial or Lawyer for any amount of time they deem necessary. Internment camp/Concentration camp ?
Here is a leaked document from the US Army.
http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf
http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/legal-and-law-enforcement/internment-resettlement-specialist.html

Looking at the history of native americans, its basically a holocaust of the USA. We spread diseases, warred their nations, killed this children, massacred their food supply, and stole their land.
Just looking at our constitution, when it was created things like "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" were not meant to go for slaves and native americans. We did not consider natives to be citizens even though their families were hear thousands of years before America was colonized.

Perhaps America was founded on an illegitimate premise and hijacked by the white man. Seems America is even worse today.

I think a lot of this "good ole' days " ideal has too do with the failure of American schools to paint a correct picture in people's minds. They sugar coat history to glorify America as the greatest place on earth. Brushing over the horrors that occur.

This is called propaganda and even goes as far as brainwashing.

For gods sake, we celebrate Columbus day. Columbus, yeah. The guy who murdered and enslaved hundreds of innocent natives. He has a holiday.

That's a Fascist tactic.

If any of this was a shock to you, I suggest you research some actual history for yourself.

You seem conflicted.

Do you guys agree or disagree with me? Discuss.

[Razefan]

At 1/3/14 09:01 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/2/14 04:23 PM, Razefan wrote: I am so sick of people who think america has gone to shit and its horrible and used to be amazing.

USA was never amzing for the fact that whatever good is created for it's own was at the cost of much pain and suffering of others.

Exactly my point.

I hate to break it to you, but if you were even slightly educated in history you would know that America has been breaking its own rights since it began.

The constitution is bullshit. The only thing that ever ran the country of the US & A was the Banks and not solid moral fiber.

The constitution isn't complete bullshit as it has been controlling courts for quite a while now

Right now is pretty much the best america has ever been. It's not perfect, not nearly. But acting like all the horrible things happening is a new issue and everything was perfect before is just stupid.

I cannot agree that America is at it's best at all. Take the National debt for an example or the Fed or the fact that Millions of citizens are our of house and home because of quasi politics and money management both on the Federal and personal levels.

True, like I said we are no where near perfect. But compared to America in the past? The quality life is obviously better.

There is this paranoid idea that America is taking away our rights, well the truth is it can't take away what we never had.

You can't mitigate the fact that America is fucked because it never gave people right's cause American's had many right's and it's not a paranoid delusion that the Government is actually taking these right's away.

For example take the (NDAA) which outlines the fact that the Government can permanently imprison anyone they wish without trial or Lawyer for any amount of time they deem necessary. Internment camp/Concentration camp ?
Here is a leaked document from the US Army.
http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf
http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/legal-and-law-enforcement/internment-resettlement-specialist.html

People act as if all our rights meant something before. But in history time and time again they have been ignored and abused. Losing rights today is nothing more than the losses felt in the past.

Looking at the history of native americans, its basically a holocaust of the USA. We spread diseases, warred their nations, killed this children, massacred their food supply, and stole their land.
Just looking at our constitution, when it was created things like "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" were not meant to go for slaves and native americans. We did not consider natives to be citizens even though their families were hear thousands of years before America was colonized.

Perhaps America was founded on an illegitimate premise and hijacked by the white man. Seems America is even worse today.

If you are legitimately saying that the quality of life is worse than our beginnings you really don't understand history. America was never founded by anything other than white men. The native americans simply lived there because that's where there ancestors are. Than it got hijacked for money and land.

I think a lot of this "good ole' days " ideal has too do with the failure of American schools to paint a correct picture in people's minds. They sugar coat history to glorify America as the greatest place on earth. Brushing over the horrors that occur.

This is called propaganda and even goes as far as brainwashing.

For gods sake, we celebrate Columbus day. Columbus, yeah. The guy who murdered and enslaved hundreds of innocent natives. He has a holiday.

That's a Fascist tactic.

If any of this was a shock to you, I suggest you research some actual history for yourself.

You seem conflicted.

How so? None of this shocked me in any way as I've been aware for quite some time now.

Do you guys agree or disagree with me? Discuss.

[leanlifter1]

At 1/3/14 12:02 PM, Razefan wrote:

like I said we are no where near perfect. But compared to America in the past? The quality life is obviously better.

We who you ? I don't know why American's have so much identity with there country even bordering on Fascism/nationalism and Xenophobia at times.

People act as if all our rights meant something before. But in history time and time again they have been ignored and abused. Losing rights today is nothing more than the losses felt in the past.

It's has always been the Banks that control America and that includes the court system.

[Camarohusky]

At 1/3/14 12:47 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: We who you ? I don't know why American's have so much identity with there country even bordering on Fascism/nationalism and Xenophobia at times.

Because it's our home?

It's has always been the Banks that control America and that includes the court system.

Let me guess, you have NEVER been to a courthouse, have you? You talk as if you're an expert, yet you are armcharing from a different place in the world. I HAVE taken part in court cases and hearings, and I can definitely tell you that no bank is in control. Politics in the US may have suspect backing and motivation, but the courts are almost always very solid in how they base their opinions and rulings.

[leanlifter1]

At 1/3/14 03:20 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 1/3/14 12:47 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: We who you ? I don't know why American's have so much identity with there country even bordering on Fascism/nationalism and Xenophobia at times.

Because it's our home?

Well obviously but you don't own it and it was never and will never be yours as it's owned by the Banks. I care about the house I call home but at the end of the day I am just a guest in this house as I don't own it I am just renting. Renting is a good way to think of yourself as a patriot in relation to your "homeland".

It's has always been the Banks that control America and that includes the court system.

Let me guess, you have NEVER been to a courthouse, have you? You talk as if you're an expert, yet you are armcharing from a different place in the world. I HAVE taken part in court cases and hearings, and I can definitely tell you that no bank is in control. Politics in the US may have suspect backing and motivation, but the courts are almost always very solid in how they base their opinions and rulings.

Who/what pay's the bailiffs, office workers, janitors, police, Duty Counsels, Lawyers, Judges, crown prosecutors etc wages. Who/what paid for the engineers, architects, construction companies to build a court house. The Bank's paid for it all and put the debt on the people heads and regulated everything.

[Korriken]

At 1/3/14 02:39 AM, venturequestlord wrote:

America supporting India's energy needs instead of Pakistans...

America should seriously break off all ties with Pakistan after it was discovered that Pakistan was giving refuge to Osama bin Laden. There is no way that the Pakistani government did not know he was there. Hell, that's just the tip of the iceberg on that...

[leanlifter1]

At 1/3/14 06:14 PM, Korriken wrote:

America should seriously break off all ties with Pakistan after it was discovered that Pakistan was giving refuge to Osama bin Laden. There is no way that the Pakistani government did not know he was there. Hell, that's just the tip of the iceberg on that...

The Bush family is good pals with the Binladens. Did you not get the memo.

[Ranger2]

At 1/3/14 03:20 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Let me guess, you have NEVER been to a courthouse, have you? You talk as if you're an expert, yet you are armcharing from a different place in the world. I HAVE taken part in court cases and hearings, and I can definitely tell you that no bank is in control. Politics in the US may have suspect backing and motivation, but the courts are almost always very solid in how they base their opinions and rulings.

Camarohusky, you're arguing with facts and experience. Unfortunately the people you're arguing against are driven by emotion and prejudice. The US Congress could pass a law declaring that 1 + 1 = 2 and there will be people shouting in opposition.

[venturequestlord]

At 1/3/14 06:14 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 1/3/14 02:39 AM, venturequestlord wrote:

America supporting India's energy needs instead of Pakistans...

America should seriously break off all ties with Pakistan after it was discovered that Pakistan was giving refuge to Osama bin Laden. There is no way that the Pakistani government did not know he was there. Hell, that's just the tip of the iceberg on that...

Um, no, no and no. Seriously, Pakistan did not know, Pakistan is not America, it ain't a super-power its a country partnered with a super-power. There is no way the USA can break ties with Pakistan (since both have a long history & partnership for defense, military, regional and intelligence ties). But that is your opinion, no country is stupid enough to buy into an opinion of simple people with extremist thought and diluted mind set.
Finally, about Pakistan hiding a terrorist, that is the most radical thought of an uneducated individual (although your economy has more literacy rates but lack proper understanding at times & might take radical means to even prove their point). Although one criteria must be noted, Pakistan is a different country from Iraq & Afghanistan, therefore, don't try to add up Pakistan as one of the mentioned countries ruled by terrorists.

Furthermore, you people type much behind Pakistan's back but when it comes face to face you tremble in fear, why do you think that your democrats are extra cautious when a topic relates to something of Pakistan? Furthermore, USA says "that Osama Bin Laden was found in Abottabad and killed" then isn't it enough, isn't the huge problem over? Or is it that USA has some other point to prove. Although, Pakistan is innocent & it doesn't matter what the others perceive it to be. Here is a discussion on the case, watch as how your democrats are left speechless, right after they tried accusing Pakistan.

CIA & ISI - the discussion

[NeonSpider]

What's wrong with wanting the good from "The good ole days" without wanting the bad? I think most people know there were terrible injustices done throughout history. What's wrong with wanting the ideals without wanting the hypocrisy? Wanting the freedoms but not the horrors?

Also, Christopher Columbus was and is terribly overrated. He failed to find a route to India. He wasn't even the first European to discover America. And not only was he terrible to the natives, he was terrible to his own crew members. And yet he has not only cities named after him but even an entire country.

[Razefan]

At 1/4/14 11:54 AM, NeonSpider wrote: What's wrong with wanting the good from "The good ole days" without wanting the bad? I think most people know there were terrible injustices done throughout history. What's wrong with wanting the ideals without wanting the hypocrisy? Wanting the freedoms but not the horrors?

Also, Christopher Columbus was and is terribly overrated. He failed to find a route to India. He wasn't even the first European to discover America. And not only was he terrible to the natives, he was terrible to his own crew members. And yet he has not only cities named after him but even an entire country.

Nothing is wrong with it. What I hate is people who act like the past was perfect and right now America is horrible and the worst it ever has been

[HibiscusMallow]

At 1/2/14 04:23 PM, Razefan wrote: Do you guys agree or disagree with me? Discuss.

maybe compared to 1840 but not 1970, maybe we have better video games and medicine now but in terms of rights things have deteriorated

compare the reactions to watergate with the reactions to PRISM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29

[Warforger]

At 1/4/14 02:09 PM, HibiscusMallow wrote:

At 1/2/14 04:23 PM, Razefan wrote:

maybe compared to 1840 but not 1970, maybe we have better video games and medicine now but in terms of rights things have deteriorated

compare the reactions to watergate with the reactions to PRISM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29

It's a bit different. People didn't give a shit about Watergate for a while, hell when it was first brought to attention it was during the election campaign in 1972, which Nixon won winning every single state except Mass. It wasn't until Nixon had to turn over his tapes did he become really unpopular. In his tapes he made many awful comments portraying him to be a giant piece of shit.

PRISM by comparison isn't surprising, hello this is something people have been complaining about since 2001.

[Razefan]

At 1/3/14 06:54 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/3/14 06:14 PM, Korriken wrote:

America should seriously break off all ties with Pakistan after it was discovered that Pakistan was giving refuge to Osama bin Laden. There is no way that the Pakistani government did not know he was there. Hell, that's just the tip of the iceberg on that...

The Bush family is good pals with the Binladens. Did you not get the memo.

You know at first it sounded like you were reasonable but now its evident you are an anti american hating conspiracy theorist

[leanlifter1]

At 1/6/14 05:16 PM, Razefan wrote:

At 1/3/14 06:54 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/3/14 06:14 PM, Korriken wrote:

America should seriously break off all ties with Pakistan after it was discovered that Pakistan was giving refuge to Osama bin Laden. There is no way that the Pakistani government did not know he was there. Hell, that's just the tip of the iceberg on that...

The Bush family is good pals with the Binladens. Did you not get the memo.

You know at first it sounded like you were reasonable but now its evident you are an anti american hating conspiracy theorist

Rather I have just been "DE" Propagandized ! If stifling pejorative distinctions upon peoples heads that go against the grain of American socioeconomics and propagandization then I take pity upon you. Instead of calling people names perhaps you can back up your opinion's on why in your opinion you think America is #1 and that I am Anti American conspiracy kook. Please do this in an intelligent and mature manor with links to hopefully quantified and unbiased sources.

[Ranger2]

At 1/6/14 05:34 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Rather I have just been "DE" Propagandized ! Please do this in an intelligent and mature manor with links to hopefully quantified and unbiased sources.

Leanlifter1, you yourself are unable to back up your arguments without ad hominem attacks. Believe it or not, it is possible for someone to have the exact same views you do as the result of propaganda.

[leanlifter1]

At 1/16/14 09:19 PM, Ranger2 wrote:

At 1/6/14 05:34 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Rather I have just been "DE" Propagandized ! Please do this in an intelligent and mature manor with links to hopefully quantified and unbiased sources.

Leanlifter1, you yourself are unable to back up your arguments without ad hominem attacks. Believe it or not, it is possible for someone to have the exact same views you do as the result of propaganda.

Common knowledge has already been quantified as truth. You will need to elaborate of exactly what information you want and then Google's your friend you see.

[Saen]

Call me unamerican because I don't give a shit.

[morefngdbs]

At 1/3/14 03:20 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 1/3/14 12:47 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: It's has always been the Banks that control America and that includes the court system.

Let me guess, you have NEVER been to a courthouse, have you?

;;;
While I haven't been in an American courtroom , i most certainly have been in courtrooms here in Canada many times

& the laws you claim are upheld by the courts are true to case law.
Isn't arguable, for the most part you are right.
What you are missing is those laws upheld by the courts are imposed on the people by the Law makes, which are not the judges or the courts but instead the government bodies bought & controlled by ….THE BANKS .
One need do no more than look at the elected representatives of the USA. Look at their main contributors to their political machines 7 you can see big business is fully in control of the money baby
& the banks IN PARTICULAR THE Federal Reserve BAnk the privately owned mostly foreign owners by the way own your country .
To be fair central banks own most countries , Canada the one I am held, in is another slave to them.

& the Law & the courts bow to them. sorry to burst your bubble ,but that is simply a fact of life in this present reality
Open your eyes , see what you actually are …. not much different than a serf of the middle ages , a bit more educated. But you are just an expendable cog in a vast system that doesn't need you personally or care if you do well, live or die at all.