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Wow, it just goes to show that, oh it's ok to be gay and parade like idiots about their FLAMIN sexuality, but OH NO! someone can't say gay is bad. Isn't that freedom of speech? Heh heh heh!

i feel like this is just like any other form of intimidation or harassment that goes on in school. kids are immature, they insult people who are different and try to make them feel generally uncomfortable. i think this should be handled however any other bullying situation ought to be handled.

i really think it's just more that he deliberately chose a negative message to go against the positive efforts of his class mates, that organized this and whatever. i wonder what would have happened to me if i had worn a "Drugs are Kickass" shirt to school on one of their anti drug days.

again every day should be a day of silence. teenagers should shut the hell up whenever i'm FORCED to be around them.

If a boy is suspended for expressing his view, especially when it is obvious that he picked a phrasing that was designed not to be extremely inflammatory. If it's against the rules to support one side of an issue, then it really shows that the school has an official stance on homosexuality.

If the day of silence was sponsored by the school, then they deserve to get sued... that's not why we pay for schools. Furthermore, because the issue is so volatile, in the same ballpark as abortion, I don't think the school should have allowed the day of silence at all, especially since it is disruptive to participation in school. I guess if the school allows students to participate in the day of silence for gays, they would be forced to allow people who did not like homosexuality to participate in their own day of silence, and make sure that they were not harassed for their stance.

if homosexuals can express their homesexuality(sp?) then strait people should be able to express themselves aswell.

At 6/4/04 05:31 AM, Newbuddy wrote: if homosexuals can express their homesexuality(sp?) then strait people should be able to express themselves aswell.

How would it be expressed? And why would it be expressed?

Look folks, Day of Silence is optional. You do it or not. Just like any other school thing like Latin Heritage Month, Black History Month, Women's Month, etc... You could go participate in a few events and learn something, or not...

Schools don't necessarily need to have a stance on homosexuality. But lots of you are missing the point of this thing. Lots of people are affraid of coming out. It's a symbolic gesture of human understanding for those who are still in the closet. Doesn't mean it supports homosexuality, or tries to promote it. Gays are a group that's been very abused. It tries to show compasion.

Now I still say turn the check around. Let him wear his shirt, but he can't complain if somebody came in the next day with this on:

"Jesus love Dick too."

Not only does this create a double standard, the bastard can't complain or sue.

At 6/4/04 12:22 AM, JesusCyborg wrote: I'm gay and I really hate this day of silence bullshit.

All the vocal gays have this damned agneda to alienate themselves from society by getting in everyone's face as much as possible. High school gays are turning "being gay" in to a group just like the punks, neo-nazis, etc. As we all know, these petty high school groups are nothing but an identity crutch for weak minded kids full of angst.

As for the PC garbage, people need to give it a rest. I don't care if someone holds opinions that are wrong, there are enough things wrong with the world to worry about some dumb kid being politically correct.

i have heard that gay people are perverts and moral degenerates. now, i do not know about you but i have no desire to be exposed to that type of corrupting influence.

but, i am an open-minded person and i do believe in compassion toward everyone. so, i suppose as long as they don't act overtly gay, they should be allowed to stay.

[/sarcasm]

i am gay and i kick cats and lick their anus and their furry daihatsu that's who see my picture attached aren't i pretty my name is samuel?

The kid is in school, the purpose of school is suppose to be to learn stuff. Now going to school in a KKK uniform, a homosexuals are shameful t-shirt, a t-shirt with a big ass swaztika (sp) on it, or anything else along those lines can be very disruptive in school. Its along the same lines that some schools don't allow you to wear excessive amounts of jewelry, or have excessive amounts of piercings, or 5 foot tall hair. It takes the attention from the teacher, and learning and puts it on the kid. Hell personally, I'd love to see mandatory uniforms for all schools, although I know the kids would hate it, personally I would have too when I was in school, but it would cut down on some of the disruption some clothing and stuff causes and the kids can focus on what is really important, learning.

How is a T-shirt with a very very mild attack on homosexuality more disruptive than remaining silent for a day. Schools can't decide that one side of a politcial debate is the correct one and punish people who support one side.

The kid defintely could have picked a more tactful apporoach. If he was hell bent on a T-shirt he could have picked something a bit less offensive like "Straight and Proud", "Next time try P@ssy, you can walk straight the next day!", "Aren't titties fun, try them sometime!".
He obviously wore the shirt to offend people, I doubt he thought any one would run up to him and say "Really!? I'm swearing off dick for good." As an administrator I would have probably made him take the shirt off, or put something on over it. The kid has the right to wear the shirt, but not in a public school were others have to deal with it. It's like a white kid wearing a shirt that says "I hate n!ggers." Someone is going to take offense and its up to the administrators to take action against it.

At 6/4/04 12:08 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: How is a T-shirt with a very very mild attack on homosexuality more disruptive than remaining silent for a day.

That may be true but they can't stop people from not talking. There's nothing against it. In fact many high schools do a "Dead man day" near prom. It's a program put on by SADD where they pick random kids and "kill" them, which basically involves painting their face white if they say they can go for a day without interacting. It's supposed to highlight how many people high school kids die in car accidents in an average month. It's pretty sobering and schools haven't complained before so they really have no grounds to start now. (It's fun being a dead man for a day.)

Schools can't decide that one side of a politcial debate is the correct one and punish people who support one side.

Sure they can. How about when some southern schools refused to deseggregate? These days though they'll usually side with the tolerant faction.

unless it contravenes a dress code then i don't see any problem here.

as the article stated, he was wearing the shirt to express his christian identity. it's no different than not talking for a day, if slightly more inflammatory.

i agree with spanishfli, they should let people wear a shirt that says "jesus loves dick", or whatever. that's only fair.
the problem here is that the school is clearly picking on the kid.

ths hirt is essentially a more blatant form of covering up, or exposing flesh. a low cut top sends out the message that you believe that you should be flaunting your assets. a burkha shows people that you're either a muslim, or you don't think it's appropriate to show lots of skin.
he chose an item of clothing that demonstrated his belief that "homosexuality is shamefull".
the only difference is that his shirt had writing, whereas the previous examples are more subtle.

likewise a "jesus loves dick" shirt isn't neccessarily intended to cause offence.
people need to stop assuming that everyone is out to hate them and stop being pussies.
although i am willing to bet a "jesus loves dick" shirt would have gone unnoticed.

At 6/3/04 02:37 PM, AntiClock wrote.
He has fredom of speech but, when you are in school you do not have full rights That child should not have been punished that mutch he was just stateing his opion and if eny thing they should blame the parents for letting him own or where that shirt

At 6/3/04 06:39 PM, PoptartKing wrote: I don't see the point of arguing over it. Schools have every right to take disciplinary action when a student wears something deemed inappropriate.

I agree, it's against most dress codes, and offensive to some people.

I think we should take into consideration the fact that what the school had organized was a positive, message, e.g., is support of something. (it probably wasn't the school, but more likely the students of the school's GSA or whatever) the kid's shirt was negative, e.g. in condemnation of something, particularly other students. his shirt was a put down. he wasn't saying he was proud of being straight, he was deliberately making an attempt to judge other people, and harshly. what if a gay kid wore a "Breeders fuck everything up" shirt or something to that effect? the message is not intended to express positive support for something, it is designed to attack people and bring them down. there is a definate difference.

At 6/4/04 02:13 PM, bombkangaroo wrote: i agree with spanishfli, they should let people wear a shirt that says "jesus loves dick", or whatever. that's only fair.

The meaning of that t-shirt is only as dirty as the mind that thinks it's dirty to begin with.

the problem here is that the school is clearly picking on the kid.

Nothing like singeling someone out and making an example of them to get mass-media attention.

I'm sorry if I'm repeating something that's been said I just don't have the time to read the whole topic.

Why the hell do the hold such a day in the first place? They are asking for some anti gay kid to show up with that kind of t-shirt. Besides why don't they have a "support the jews day" or a "support the goths gay"? They are both social groups that tend to be unwelcome in certain circles.

At 6/4/04 05:06 PM, JackOfShadow wrote: I'm sorry if I'm repeating something that's been said I just don't have the time to read the whole topic.

Why the hell do the hold such a day in the first place? They are asking for some anti gay kid to show up with that kind of t-shirt. Besides why don't they have a "support the jews day" or a "support the goths gay"? They are both social groups that tend to be unwelcome in certain circles.

Because they don't have to come out, and people already know who they are. The people that haven't came out yet are afraid if the ridicule. This day was created to allow people to come out of the closet per se. I still don't see the reason that this person couldn't have worn this shirt. Schools are public properties, and should be subjected to the same standards as, lets say, a public park. The kid shouldn't have been suspended, and rather of had the social aspect of the area punish him.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire

At 6/4/04 03:00 PM, Izuamoto wrote: what if a gay kid wore a "Breeders fuck everything up" shirt or something to that effect?

He'd be suspended for profanity on a shirt, apparently. I don't see the connection.

At 6/4/04 03:04 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 6/4/04 02:13 PM, bombkangaroo wrote: i agree with spanishfli, they should let people wear a shirt that says "jesus loves dick", or whatever. that's only fair.

The meaning of that t-shirt is only as dirty as the mind that thinks it's dirty to begin with.

Actually, I said, "Jesus loves Dick..." and not "Jesus loves dick..." Pun on words, you know ;-)

At 6/4/04 06:33 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote: Schools are public properties, and should be subjected to the same standards as, lets say, a public park.

I thought schools were owned and run by state governments.

At 6/4/04 10:00 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 6/4/04 03:00 PM, Izuamoto wrote: what if a gay kid wore a "Breeders fuck everything up" shirt or something to that effect?

He'd be suspended for profanity on a shirt, apparently. I don't see the connection.

well, you know what i mean. obviously minus the profanity.

At 6/6/04 12:26 AM, Izuamoto wrote: well, you know what i mean. obviously minus the profanity.

It'd depend on the wording and the school district (obviously). But I'd hedge on the bet that he wouldn't be kicked out. Of course, I would say the same thing with this case..

Would he be kicked out somewhere? Perhaps. I (truthfully) fail to see your point. *shrug*

*runs off*

Danny-O and Logan: yeah.... we come from the future where human decency is no regulation.

Danny-O: How did it get lik this u say?

Logan: The demos took over all of the political parties and ruled the indecent world.

Both: Woah!!!!!!

-ps- let america keep its decency!

At 6/3/04 02:37 PM, AntiClock (quoted from CNN) that a student was suspended for wearing a shirt that said "homosexuality is shameful. Is going to sue.:

shirt.

:Anti-clock clock says: i believe he should have been suspended if its against the school dress code and i would imagine they have some part in their rules about shirts like that. but who was organizing the day of silence? If its the administration thats also i believe wrong, if its students then i see no problem with that. he has freedom of speech but when you are in school you do not have full rights. you should not be allowed to say those kind of statements about others, they should all feel welcomed in a school and by allowing students to wear those shirts it makes gays feel like outcast in that building.

Its not hate speech, people, Its PC. Schools are generally run by leftists who believe in the support of minorities even into illogical and immoral positions.

First of all, there was a question of dress code. But I can not believe that a violation of dress code is worth a suspension.

Homosexuality is Shameful is not exactly hate speech. It is not provactive (The Supreme court ruled that fighting words can be regulated), and it does not pose a clear and present danger to the US, which is where speech can be restricted.

This seems remiscent of a school who celebrated a corporate sponsored "Coca-Cola Day" and a kid was suspended for wearing a pepsi work uniform to school.

The lesson--If you break the school's leftist agenda, they will punish you without cause. Oh yeah, if the guy isn't 18, he can not be as badly pounished as an adult was (not over words).

Kill PC--my college is rife with it, and I'm surrounded by socialists!

At 6/3/04 02:37 PM, AntiClock wrote:

:i believe he should have been suspended if its against the school dress code

The boy's lawyers are going to say: "Show us wherre it says 'no anit gay T-shirts' in the dress code.

The boy should be allowed to wear a T-shirt like that. He should only be stopped, if he starts to harm gays, which he didn't.

At 6/6/04 04:57 AM, BlueMax wrote:

Its not hate speech, people, Its PC. Schools are generally run by leftists who believe in the support of minorities even into illogical and immoral positions.

wait a minute, i think you mean social liberals, right? no not all schools are run by social liberals. but most educated people tend to be more compassionate and liberal in their views. i wonder why...

First of all, there was a question of dress code. But I can not believe that a violation of dress code is worth a suspension.

i agree, it doesn't warrant the suspension. he shouldn't have been suspended. he should just have his teeth knocked in for being a little douche.

Homosexuality is Shameful is not exactly hate speech. It is not provactive (The Supreme court ruled that fighting words can be regulated), and it does not pose a clear and present danger to the US, which is where speech can be restricted.

i'd call it pretty provocative. school really isn't a place for people to go billboarding their political views. anyone who makes a a major public gesture of their political leaning, regardless of what it is, is asking for trouble from someone.

This seems remiscent of a school who celebrated a corporate sponsored "Coca-Cola Day" and a kid was suspended for wearing a pepsi work uniform to school.

that's dumb, but there wouldn't be a Cocal-Cola day if the school was run by leftists! so maybe your theory about the leftwing school system is... oh, flawed maybe?

The lesson--If you break the school's leftist agenda, they will punish you without cause. Oh yeah, if the guy isn't 18, he can not be as badly pounished as an adult was (not over words).

leftist agenda my ass. do you even know what you're saying? the school system is about as leftist as your right testicle.

Kill PC--my college is rife with it, and I'm surrounded by socialists!

socialism and PC have nothing to do with each other. BTW, i notice people who complain about political correctness are the ones who also aren't fond of minorities and blame the liberals for making "fag" an offensive slang term. Don't kill PC. politeness and respect is a virtue. some people take the idea of political correctness too far, but i doubt you're in danger of that yourself.

At 6/6/04 12:42 PM, Izuamoto wrote:
...most educated people tend to be more compassionate and liberal in their views.

As long as you are agreeing with them

i agree, it doesn't warrant the suspension. he shouldn't have been suspended. he should just have his teeth knocked in for being a little douche.

So I take it you are either in teh uneducated crowd or teh exceptional minority of teh general trend of social liberals

i'd call it pretty provocative. school really isn't a place for people to go billboarding their political views. anyone who makes a a major public gesture of their political leaning, regardless of what it is, is asking for trouble from someone.

So on a day set aside for a "Political" Event, someone who does not agree with the general statement is not allowed to voice their opinion without being deemed a trouble maker?

leftist agenda my ass. do you even know what you're saying? the school system is about as leftist as your right testicle.

(***some big assumptions made, but anyways***)

Bluemax wrote:

Kill PC--my college is rife with it, and I'm surrounded by socialists!

Sorry, just have to learn to deal with it

Back to Izu
...BTW, i notice people who complain about political correctness are the ones who also aren't fond of minorities and blame the liberals for making "fag" an offensive slang term.

Well, your data needs more time to gather results. Otherwise, I would suggest the polling methods are skewed by some filters.

Don't kill PC. politeness and respect is a virtue.

PC is thorough and utter bullshit. Respect comes from teh heart and expressed via the choice of diction. Not simply limited by the choice of words in the vocabulary of the current administration. Wholly fucking Orwellian Nazi. While you're at it, the p should be in caps and "is" should be "are". Give it a damn rest.

If someone wants to express themselves and say with truth in their heart, "I do not like men.", then power to them. I may think they are limited in mental capacity for doing such (expressing their views openly), possible have a few questions for clarification which may or may not need answering on that particular day depending on my mood, but for the most part, I just don't care enough about some who does not directly affect me to worry about their viewpoints. Should they escalate the matter to include stomping on my foot with some repressed anger, then ok, I can pretty much guaranty a response to the assailant. But not because I care about the message - one way or the other.

Its just a simple case of what shouldnt be allowed in the dresscode, now the moment of silence i think thats something they could do without. But as for making it so you cant wear such a shirt, i really dont care. He shouldnt be allowed to express his controversial beliefs, as a public school is meant to learn about math science ext. And such a thing could cause disturbance, while in college that issue is something that would be discussed in a class.

i wonder if i could get away with this shirt in a school, i wouldnt expect to and i wouldnt wear it. Though its funny
http://www.prophetclothing.com/Images/catalog/popups/html/fiktion.html

http://www.prophetclothing.com/Merchandise/merchandise.html

Hmm... someone shouldn't be suspended for wearing a shirt that clearly states the truth.