it seems to me that we have had the technology to make robot suits for a few years now bot no one is selling the idea and im not speaking hypothetically either.
toyota actually built a concept veicle called the i foot that was a giant set of robotic legs attatched to a cockpit . it was tad to big to be used for its intended purpose of helping disabled people up stairs in my opinion but add on some armes and it would make a very conventional mech suit hell it even kinda looks like a cut down armless albino version of of the ride armours from the first megaman x games
here compair them your self
this link right here is the i foot
this link is the ride armours of the x series scroll down a little please
as you can see building these machines seems quite feasable given the tech in the i foot (which no you cant buy i checked) why none are in circulation as recreational veicles s is trully beyond me but i hold out hope for running down the street in this bad beast right here
just roll with it nerd
We can't build any cool robot suits like those because the energy density needed to run them can currently only be supplied by radioactive materials and the world's governments are doing their best to imprison anyone who tries to use radioactive materials without prior approval and idiots are putting these mentally challenged individuals in office because they're afraid of the consequences of 'mad science' bullshit.
At 12/17/13 09:11 PM, 24901miles wrote: We can't build any cool robot suits like those because the energy density needed to run them can currently only be supplied by radioactive materials....
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At 12/17/13 09:11 PM, 24901miles wrote: We can't build any cool robot suits like those because the energy density needed to run them can currently only be supplied by radioactive materials and the world's governments are doing their best to imprison anyone who tries to use radioactive materials without prior approval and idiots are putting these mentally challenged individuals in office because they're afraid of the consequences of 'mad science' bullshit.
actually thats only for gundam sized robots the i foot could for i think a half hour to an hour if its not made much bigger with research to better battery technology one more similair to a ride armour is quite feasable plus i foot was built in 2009 so it is even more possablee now with better more power efficiant moters
At 12/17/13 10:22 PM, nanocon wrote: actually thats only for gundam sized robots the i foot could for i think a half hour to an hour if its not made much bigger with research to better battery technology one more similair to a ride armour is quite feasable plus i foot was built in 2009 so it is even more possablee now with better more power efficiant moters
Actually no, if I was referring to Gundam-sized robots, I would have said "Gundam-sized robots". Puny little mechanical armor demonstrations that last an hour before they need to be recharged at a generator or an electrical grid being fed by a nuclear reactor aren't impressive.
If you want the sort of energy density that supports powered exoskeletons or walking mechs, you need to go nuclear.
At 12/17/13 10:30 PM, 24901miles wrote:
If you want the sort of energy density that supports powered exoskeletons or walking mechs, you need to go nuclear.
We have a powered exoskeleton, yeah? I read about it 4-5 years ago. It uses hydraulics and whatnot. You remember that?
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At 12/17/13 10:30 PM, 24901miles wrote:At 12/17/13 10:22 PM, nanocon wrote: actually thats only for gundam sized robots the i foot could for i think a half hour to an hour if its not made much bigger with research to better battery technology one more similair to a ride armour is quite feasable plus i foot was built in 2009 so it is even more possablee now with better more power efficiant motersActually no, if I was referring to Gundam-sized robots, I would have said "Gundam-sized robots". Puny little mechanical armor demonstrations that last an hour before they need to be recharged at a generator or an electrical grid being fed by a nuclear reactor aren't impressive.
If you want the sort of energy density that supports powered exoskeletons or walking mechs, you need to go nuclear.
actually the hal 5 a civilion exo skelaton system from japan has around 2 -hours 40 minutes and its purlly electracal the i foot i got the dat wrong its from 2004 or 07 around that time from its size if you add in a a curresnt battery from an electric car it would have immense operation time i cant speek from the origanal as i couldent find its operation time in the specs but it would have had a small battery from the steam line design
i also said RECREATION VEICLE it some rec veicals can bairly go 10 min at full blast
Japan also made a mech it was in the news, a mech for children and said it will be sold for $1,000,000. When I read the article, I considered, a) Is it worth it having a mech and can I afford one? b) What are its features? c) Can I bother my neighbour with it, hehehe. And lastly, will I get arrested if the police finds out I am moving around in town with a mech.
To make it simple people shouldn't make crap but make something that is needed.
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At 12/18/13 12:28 AM, nanocon wrote:At 12/17/13 10:30 PM, 24901miles wrote:actually the hal 5 a civilion exo skelaton system from japan has around 2 -hours 40 minutes and its purlly electracal the i foot i got the dat wrong its from 2004 or 07 around that time from its size if you add in a a curresnt battery from an electric car it would have immense operation time i cant speek from the origanal as i couldent find its operation time in the specs but it would have had a small battery from the steam line designAt 12/17/13 10:22 PM, nanocon wrote: actually thats only for gundam sized robots the i foot could for i think a half hour to an hour if its not made much bigger with research to better battery technology one more similair to a ride armour is quite feasable plus i foot was built in 2009 so it is even more possablee now with better more power efficiant motersActually no, if I was referring to Gundam-sized robots, I would have said "Gundam-sized robots". Puny little mechanical armor demonstrations that last an hour before they need to be recharged at a generator or an electrical grid being fed by a nuclear reactor aren't impressive.
If you want the sort of energy density that supports powered exoskeletons or walking mechs, you need to go nuclear.
i also said RECREATION VEICLE it some rec veicals can bairly go 10 min at full blast
That HAL 5 system is designed to help paralyzed and weak elderly people to walk and perform simple tasks. If you hacked the suit and tried to make it more powerful, you wouldn't get very far before running out of juice or breaking something.
Even running on a low setting (which is what HAL is designed to do), they can only eek out 2-3 hours of run time. That's terrible. HAL uses the exact same batteries as the Tesla cars and your cell phone. They all use Lithium Ion.
Normal Gasoline runs 34.8 MJ/L
Lithium Ion Batteries run 2.23 MJ/L
If you tried to hook up a giant battery pack to it (which is what the HULC exoskeleton does), you'll have a larger range and operating time, but you'll be lugging a giant battery pack around, making you a huge target for enemy snipers.
Nuclear fission can provide millions to tens of millions of times as much power as that. The problem is that nuclear materials are so valuable to governments that they don't want to put them in risky situations.
At 12/18/13 01:02 AM, 24901miles wrote:At 12/18/13 12:28 AM, nanocon wrote:That HAL 5 system is designed to help paralyzed and weak elderly people to walk and perform simple tasks. If you hacked the suit and tried to make it more powerful, you wouldn't get very far before running out of juice or breaking something.At 12/17/13 10:30 PM, 24901miles wrote:actually the hal 5 a civilion exo skelaton system from japan has around 2 -hours 40 minutes and its purlly electracal the i foot i got the dat wrong its from 2004 or 07 around that time from its size if you add in a a curresnt battery from an electric car it would have immense operation time i cant speek from the origanal as i couldent find its operation time in the specs but it would have had a small battery from the steam line designAt 12/17/13 10:22 PM, nanocon wrote: actually thats only for gundam sized robots the i foot could for i think a half hour to an hour if its not made much bigger with research to better battery technology one more similair to a ride armour is quite feasable plus i foot was built in 2009 so it is even more possablee now with better more power efficiant motersActually no, if I was referring to Gundam-sized robots, I would have said "Gundam-sized robots". Puny little mechanical armor demonstrations that last an hour before they need to be recharged at a generator or an electrical grid being fed by a nuclear reactor aren't impressive.
If you want the sort of energy density that supports powered exoskeletons or walking mechs, you need to go nuclear.
i also said RECREATION VEICLE it some rec veicals can bairly go 10 min at full blast
Even running on a low setting (which is what HAL is designed to do), they can only eek out 2-3 hours of run time. That's terrible. HAL uses the exact same batteries as the Tesla cars and your cell phone. They all use Lithium Ion.
Normal Gasoline runs 34.8 MJ/L
Lithium Ion Batteries run 2.23 MJ/L
If you tried to hook up a giant battery pack to it (which is what the HULC exoskeleton does), you'll have a larger range and operating time, but you'll be lugging a giant battery pack around, making you a huge target for enemy snipers.
Nuclear fission can provide millions to tens of millions of times as much power as that. The problem is that nuclear materials are so valuable to governments that they don't want to put them in risky situations.
for one thing the hal 5 can enable a peoson to lift 200 pounds easily a non disabled person tested it in that way and two i ment put a car battery in the i foot or a veical similair (exept with arms) and three i am not refering to military use i mean civilion use for you know fun if its built for the military we cant play with it
also 1 thing i never under stood about the military exo sceletons like hulc(SMASH!!! lol) since the suit can lift hundreds of pounds why not give the solder armour that would be normaly to heavy for the feild to help negate snipers its not like anyones gonna sue them for ripping iron man off
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At 12/18/13 12:36 AM, venturequestlord wrote: Japan also made a mech it was in the news, a mech for children and said it will be sold for $1,000,000. When I read the article, I considered, a) Is it worth it having a mech and can I afford one? b) What are its features? c) Can I bother my neighbour with it, hehehe. And lastly, will I get arrested if the police finds out I am moving around in town with a mech.
To make it simple people shouldn't make crap but make something that is needed.
the guy who invented the laser dident know what it is good for when he invented it but now it is used for everything from fixing eye sight to machening presision machene parts to playing dvds and cds . in fact ill but you have quite a number of things in your own home that have a laser in them and it was just a guy making crap cause he felt like it
to make it simple just because an idea isent needed at the moment dousent mean it wont find a need and you shouldent judge an idea on weather or not you see a need for it now because someday it might be everywhere in everything
ps i saw the same mini kids mech online myself its little more then a very well made electric go cart with arms
thats over priced
At 12/18/13 01:31 AM, nanocon wrote: For one thing: the HAL 5 can enable a person to lift 200 pounds easily. An able-bodied person tested it in that way. Two: I meant put a car battery in the i-foot or a similar vehicle (except with arms). Three: I am not referring to military use; I meant civilian use for--you know--fun! If it's built for the military, we can't play with it
Also 1 thing I never under stood about the military's powered exoskeletons like HULC (SMASH!!! Ha, ha! It is a reference to the old comic book character for whom the suit is named.), since the suit can lift hundreds of pounds why not give the solder armour that would be normally too heavy for the field to help negate snipers. It's not like anyones gonna sue them for ripping Iron Man off.
OK, bro. If you figure out how to make the ride-on robots from Mega Man X, I'll be your first customer.
As for the iron man stuff, that sort of thing is still a long way away. If you want a 'superhero suit' of some kind which gives you abilities beyond athleticism, you really ought to think about the pricing schemes for actually building the things. Who can pay to make something like this for immediate use?
Yeah, there are a few suits in development right:
One is the HULC, which is a classic rigid body exoskeleton, moving to allow the wearer freedom of motion while augmenting very specific lifting capabilities. A major issue is the battery system, which adds a lot of weight to to the suit overall. Just take a look at the thing on Google, it's less like Iron Man and more like The Hunchback of Notre Dame. The battery pack is like 6 inches thick and covers the entire back. And it only holds loads a for what, 2 he's? It has a long way to go.
Something which is being developed as infantry armor is TALOS which is supposedly going to be developed within four years for the Army. It's basically a scuba suit full of magnetorheological fluid (similar to ferrofluids) pouches which harden to protect the wearer from gunfire. That might be too heavy for an infantryman to lug around, so maybe it will be combined with a hard body exoskeleton like the HULC or HAL V.
Another (I don't remember the name of this one, might be from McGill or UPenn) is a pneumatic piston system which is eventually going to be a webbed network of control points which acts as a wearable muscle suit. Sort of like the reverse of a pilot's G-force suit which braces itself against a hard body exoskeleton while adding support in more complex vectors. Combine that with a layer of TALOR armor and you've got yourself a superhero suit.
That still doesn't make them powerful enough to compete with the cool stuff from comic books. 200lbs for a couple hours is nothing compared with Iron Man smashing and blasting his way through buildings and flying around on a whim, then landing in a crouch while breaking pavement. You would need radioisotope power cells, you would need some kind of microturbine, and you would need an augmented reality headset.
For use as a weapon? Nay, the prowess of a warrior should depend solely on his physical might and martial prowess.
At 12/18/13 11:58 AM, Thor wrote: For use as a weapon? Nay, the prowess of a warrior should depend solely on his physical might and martial prowess.
Heed thyself fiend! Thou art a fool! Say you speaketh as hath ye owns say!
Embellish thy language! If one word wouldst do, be thou sure to use two!
*gets a gun and shoots a medieval dude*
Now what ye perchance have to sayeth about modern weaponry?
.
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At 12/18/13 12:07 PM, CoutryNet46000 wrote:At 12/18/13 11:58 AM, Thor wrote: For use as a weapon? Nay, the prowess of a warrior should depend solely on his physical might and martial prowess.Heed thyself fiend! Thou art a fool! Say you speaketh as hath ye owns say!
Embellish thy language! If one word wouldst do, be thou sure to use two!
*gets a gun and shoots a medieval dude*
Now what ye perchance have to sayeth about modern weaponry?
At 12/18/13 12:21 PM, Thor wrote:At 12/18/13 12:07 PM, CoutryNet46000 wrote:I wish thee luckAt 12/18/13 11:58 AM, Thor wrote: For use as a weapon? Nay, the prowess of a warrior should depend solely on his physical might and martial prowess.Heed thyself fiend! Thou art a fool! Say you speaketh as hath ye owns say!
Embellish thy language! If one word wouldst do, be thou sure to use two!
*gets a gun and shoots a medieval dude*
Now what ye perchance have to sayeth about modern weaponry?
Thy shall haveth my blessings
*Gets a sacrificial lamb, slaughters it, dances around it like some dude on crack, and walks away*
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☯ Way of the Ninja ☯
At 12/18/13 11:58 AM, Thor wrote: For use as a weapon? Nay, the prowess of a warrior should depend solely on his physical might and martial prowess.
this coming from mister shoot enemy with magic lightning from super lightning shooting hammer then throw magic lightning hammer/phalis symble(lol) at there head
At 12/18/13 08:09 AM, 24901miles wrote:At 12/18/13 01:31 AM, nanocon wrote: For one thing: the HAL 5 can enable a person to lift 200 pounds easily. An able-bodied person tested it in that way. Two: I meant put a car battery in the i-foot or a similar vehicle (except with arms). Three: I am not referring to military use; I meant civilian use for--you know--fun! If it's built for the military, we can't play with itOK, bro. If you figure out how to make the ride-on robots from Mega Man X, I'll be your first customer.
Also 1 thing I never under stood about the military's powered exoskeletons like HULC (SMASH!!! Ha, ha! It is a reference to the old comic book character for whom the suit is named.), since the suit can lift hundreds of pounds why not give the solder armour that would be normally too heavy for the field to help negate snipers. It's not like anyones gonna sue them for ripping Iron Man off.
As for the iron man stuff, that sort of thing is still a long way away. If you want a 'superhero suit' of some kind which gives you abilities beyond athleticism, you really ought to think about the pricing schemes for actually building the things. Who can pay to make something like this for immediate use?
Yeah, there are a few suits in development right:
One is the HULC, which is a classic rigid body exoskeleton, moving to allow the wearer freedom of motion while augmenting very specific lifting capabilities. A major issue is the battery system, which adds a lot of weight to to the suit overall. Just take a look at the thing on Google, it's less like Iron Man and more like The Hunchback of Notre Dame. The battery pack is like 6 inches thick and covers the entire back. And it only holds loads a for what, 2 he's? It has a long way to go.
Something which is being developed as infantry armor is TALOS which is supposedly going to be developed within four years for the Army. It's basically a scuba suit full of magnetorheological fluid (similar to ferrofluids) pouches which harden to protect the wearer from gunfire. That might be too heavy for an infantryman to lug around, so maybe it will be combined with a hard body exoskeleton like the HULC or HAL V.
Another (I don't remember the name of this one, might be from McGill or UPenn) is a pneumatic piston system which is eventually going to be a webbed network of control points which acts as a wearable muscle suit. Sort of like the reverse of a pilot's G-force suit which braces itself against a hard body exoskeleton while adding support in more complex vectors. Combine that with a layer of TALOR armor and you've got yourself a superhero suit.
That still doesn't make them powerful enough to compete with the cool stuff from comic books. 200lbs for a couple hours is nothing compared with Iron Man smashing and blasting his way through buildings and flying around on a whim, then landing in a crouch while breaking pavement. You would need radioisotope power cells, you would need some kind of microturbine, and you would need an augmented reality headset.
ni think you are mis understanding me ill speak more clearly
1 i only said the tech exists to build them its just no one thinks theres a market for a pesonal robot suit like that at least for recreational purposes also i already figured it out the put the center of gravity at a bout the middle like in a regular human body enabiling longer legs with stronger moters put in a system to shift the weight if it starts to loose balence like n the hrp 4 then add in some arms and a better battery like from hondas electric cars or if you take the lazy rout just add in arms and a bigger battery like from a honda electric car but to keep it conventional and cost effective theyed need to keep it smaller around i foot size
2 please dont take everything i say so literally or insult my intellegence i was saying the iron man thing as a joke i know building his suit is a long way off i was only wandering why all military exo suits dont have armor on them like iron mans besides iron mans suits arent actually that well designed doing something like in metroid or halo are more conventional
3 id love to have a few built but i dont even have any idea on how to contact honda to pitch the consept enless you have a grand or 2 to hire a few scientists and engineers to make it my self any way my point is the tech to build them exists the ideots who have the ability to make em are just choosing not to
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