I was thinking this topic should be less about gay marriage, and more whether marriage should be a legal or religious matter. Its my belief that it should be a purely religious ritual, but abolishing religion in government might be to strong of a change. but legal union in its self is not a bad idea. however marriage Is (by definition) a union under GOD. and in the case of gay marriage, many (including me) believe that gay marriage is not under god. Another thing is, the original reason of marriage becoming a legal matter is under the trust that a young couple is likely to have kids. Witch of course is the reasoning behind the tax brakes and all. I'm mostly just looking to ague, and and talk to like minded people.
Gay people will and have always been the happiest people in the world, honestly, nobody should get married, wouldn't it be easier to simply say 'I love you', or do you need to buy a diamond ring? hm.
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Didn't a woman marry the Eiffel tower? If that's legal, why can't you marry one of the same sex...
I personally don't think marriage should be a legal or religious matter and it should be just a simple union between two people who love each other
I don't think there should be rules or laws to marriage
At 12/16/13 01:31 PM, Thor wrote: Didn't a woman marry the Eiffel tower? If that's legal, why can't you marry one of the same sex...
I know a woman married a Ferris Wheel once....
At 12/16/13 01:31 PM, Thor wrote: Didn't a woman marry the Eiffel tower? If that's legal, why can't you marry one of the same sex...
There's a difference between declaring yourself married and getting legal recognition (visitation status, insurance, etc.). Besides which, gays already can get married in France.
The simple fact is that some people will never be happy, no matter how good their lives are.
At 12/16/13 01:31 PM, Thor wrote: Didn't a woman marry the Eiffel tower? If that's legal, why can't you marry one of the same sex...
I don't see the link.
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At 12/16/13 01:05 PM, Oranous wrote: however marriage Is (by definition) a union under GOD. and in the case of gay marriage, many (including me) believe that gay marriage is not under god.
That's not my definition of marriage. And why is your interpretation of what God wants right? What if the Unitarians wanted to marry gay people? Is their interpretation of God less valid than yours?
Marriage was never actually a religious matter. The early Christians were just some self-obsessed fucks (don't forget the concept of marriage existed well before them), but for some reason they managed to make almost the entire world their own.
But yes, if I were pope, I would personally marry some gay couples.
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At 12/16/13 01:05 PM, Oranous wrote: I was thinking this topic should be less about gay marriage, and more whether marriage should be a legal or religious matter. Its my belief that it should be a purely religious ritual,
So then it would be meaningless and you wouldn't get tax breaks or be able to see your wife in hospital? Marriage is a state function, the religious trappings are an addition, but I could get an Elvis impersonator to marry me in Vegas - I could marry a hooker I only met an hour ago. You'd be fine with that, because it's heterosexual!
If the state has any say in marriage, it should not discriminate against consenting adults with different sexualities.
Why the fuck is marriage such a huge deal? Its LITERALLY JUST A BUNCH OF PEOPLE STANDING IN A CHURCH WATCHING WHILE TWO PEOPLE PUT A RING ON THE OTHERS FINGER AND A PRIEST SAYS A BUNCH OF THINGS WHILE EVERYONE IS CRYING FOR NO REASON AT ALL AND THEN 3 PEOPLE LINE UP ON EACH SIDE OF THE ALTAR AND PEOPLE WEAR EXPENSIVE CLOTHING THAT MAKE NO PRACTICAL SENSE THAT ALSO CAUSE ALL OF THEIR JOINTS TO GET SORE AND REMOVE LIKE 4 LAYERS OF SKIN BY THE TIME THE DAY IS OVER AND RESTRICT THE LIVING FUCK OUT OF YOUR MOBILITY.
Well now that ive gotten that out of my system, I find marriage in general to be completely pointless.
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At 12/16/13 02:20 PM, Nithael wrote: Why the fuck is marriage such a huge deal?
I find marriage in general to be completely pointless.
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At 12/16/13 02:42 PM, Lemonardo wrote: Do not marry and reproduce!
Despite what your parents may have told you, you don't need to get married to reproduce.
At 12/16/13 02:14 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote: Marriage was never actually a religious matter. The early Christians...
So what about in the first book of the Torah, thousands of years before Christianity, which lays down that God decided man and woman should be joined together? Bear in mind that this is the basis of tradition in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Mormonism.
The simple fact is that some people will never be happy, no matter how good their lives are.
At 12/16/13 02:20 PM, Nithael wrote: Well now that ive gotten that out of my system, I find marriage in general to be completely pointless.
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At 12/16/13 02:56 PM, ohbombuh wrote:At 12/16/13 02:14 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote: Marriage was never actually a religious matter. The early Christians...So what about in the first book of the Torah, thousands of years before Christianity, which lays down that God decided man and woman should be joined together? Bear in mind that this is the basis of tradition in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Mormonism.
Well the Jews were just ripping off the Zoroastrians, who themselves just ripped off prehistoric Indo-Iranian religions.
Yes, because you need a piece of paper and a ring to know you love someone.
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At 12/16/13 02:20 PM, Nithael wrote: Well now that ive gotten that out of my system, I find marriage in general to be completely pointless.
it usually is
all that being said, i'd respect the right for anyone to marry anyone they want, regardless of sex, race or social standing
i mean, let's get into the heart of the real reason why there's even opposition to gay marriage; only because many people still have yet to grasp the idea of personal freedom. there is no logical reason to argue against gay marriage and there never will be. the argument can basically be summed up by a group of people who are disgusted with the private life of another group of people and will go so far as to restrict their rights in the delusion that they are +1ing their political egos
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At 12/16/13 01:05 PM, Oranous wrote: ....however marriage Is (by definition) a union under GOD. and in the case of gay marriage, many (including me) believe that gay marriage is not under god. ....
Plain as day.
Just as in the past, with other groups, there is an unspoken assumption, that gay and lesbian people do not have a right to religion.
Gay folk may not believe in god, or they may, but regardless of that there is no basis upon which one can say that if there were a god, that their marriage would be denied under him.
To say that a gay marriage would not be accepted under god is another way for human beings to distance themselves from their own position, that they do not support the marriage, by implicating a power, higher than themselves, for their own discriminatory positions.
Maybe the fear is that if gay people can be married, under god, that god may be gay, or that there may be a separate 'gay god' that could compete with the 'straight god'.
Politics.
Also, I don't like it when people use religion to make decisions for them.
And how the fuck does gay marriage even affect your personal life anyway?
At 12/16/13 02:58 PM, Earfetish wrote: Well the Jews were just ripping off the Zoroastrians, who themselves just ripped off prehistoric Indo-Iranian religions.
Which was just formed because we didn't know better and mistook natural forces for supernatural beings
Religion is bullshit, and I don't even care if people think it's unkind to say that, if someone walked up to you and told you they believed in a flying spaghetti monster just because other people do wouldn't you think that person was dumb?
At 12/16/13 03:43 PM, Psycho666 wrote: Maybe the fear is that if gay people can be married, under god, that god may be gay, or that there may be a separate 'gay god' that could compete with the 'straight god'.
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At 12/16/13 03:52 PM, Xenomit wrote: flying spaghetti monster
Can't go a day without that comparison, can we?
just because other people do
Right, nobody actually wants to believe in immortal souls or superior beings on their own. It's all just peer pressure and if we removed that, people would totally make selfless choices to the betterment of humanity.
The simple fact is that some people will never be happy, no matter how good their lives are.
Marriages have always been more about wealth and retaining property than religion, and the whole union 'under god' thing as a argument against gay marriage is pretty weak because nobody makes the same fuss with atheists getting married.
i'm not the first guy to ask this but even if there was a god (i'm agnostic if anything so save your flames), wouldn't this omnipotent, all-powerful and all-knowing creator of the universe have much much more to worry about than two members of the same species and sex attempting to mate? sounds like messed-up priorities to me. honestly, sounds like paranoid and insecure men projecting their priorities onto their idols.
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At 12/16/13 01:05 PM, Oranous wrote: I was thinking this topic should be less about gay marriage, and more whether marriage should be a legal or religious matter. Its my belief that it should be a purely religious ritual, but abolishing religion in government might be to strong of a change. but legal union in its self is not a bad idea.
Marriage isn't religious at all. It's cultural.
Religion got tangled up and became a cultural time capsule, and so like the Burkha we have a few things left over that the original religious people probably didn't give two shits about but some moody priest somewhere insisted was of extra-super-special importance.
As an English kid who went to church and church school, I see it as a small act of betrayal that I wouldn't be allowed to marry whoever I wish with a willing C of E minister in a C of E church. Even more ridiculous is the idea that the state should be allowed to butt-in and tell churches how to treat the people of their culture.
Who cares if they want to be as miserable like married straight people let them.
At 12/16/13 04:01 PM, ohbombuh wrote:At 12/16/13 03:52 PM, Xenomit wrote: flying spaghetti monsterCan't go a day without that comparison, can we?
It might as well be, what makes christian beliefs any more real than believing in absolutely anything fictional ever written at all
just because other people doRight, nobody actually wants to believe in immortal souls or superior beings on their own.
It's dumb. All religion began with stupid unintelligent cave people seeing water flow and wind blow and thinking that it has to be the work of supernatural beings. Literally every single religion on earth (with the exception of scientology) evolved from that, and it almost pisses me off that no one ever sees that. We invented religion when we were dumb, we should have realized that it was all a bunch of bullshit decades ago.
It's all just peer pressure and if we removed that, people would totally make selfless choices to the betterment of humanity.
Yes, the average person would continue to work for the betterment of humanity. Atheist scientists (the better majority of scientists) aren't religious and yet they dedicate their lives to the progress of humanity. Religion is for the weak minded, and I'm glad that it's slowly fading out of existence. It makes me so mad that parents just dump all their religious beliefs onto their children and continue the circle of dick slappery that is religion.
You know what god and santa clause have in common? They were thought up by humans.
At 12/16/13 02:20 PM, Nithael wrote:
I find marriage in general to be completely pointless.
The troll has a point. Especially when you consider the fact that half of all marriages end in divorce.
The problem with gay wedding, if you disagree with it you are a crazy conservative . If you agree with it, you are moderate and a good guy.
I'm not against or support it but it is useless to give this " right " , why do they need to engage ?
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