strong women in cartoons

[nanocon]

if you check out any cartoon involving women when ever they try to add in a strong female character they make her a psycho bitch seraiosly its like there all masachists or something . during there script writing proses i think there thoughts are like this

"this girl is a strong person how can we show it oh wait i know shes walking along with the main guy then all of the sudden she stabs a scizzers into his penis/through his uerethra then smashes his head into the wall untill its bleading and then smashes his balls with a rock for offering her a tic tac that would show she dousent need men. yeah yeah and lets make it so that he is in love with her cause she is so obbviosly flirting with him after all torter/attempted murder is the sinserist from of seduction right"

i think that does sums up how proffessional cartoon writers see women

[DM692]

Lana Kane

[poxpower]

Like which one for example?

[nanocon]

At 12/7/13 02:25 PM, poxpower wrote: Like which one for example?

hmmm katara from avitar

sakura from naruto
almost all the women from girls bravo aside from like 2 of them ...... a good portion of amime woman actually to many to mention here in fact

[stafffighter]

Elisa Maza from Gargoyles
Storm, Jean and Rouge from x-men
Daria from Daria
Eve from Wall-e
Barbra Gordon from Batman/Batman Beyond
Major from Ghost in the Shell
Mrs. Brisby from Secret of Nihm
Wonder Woman from Justice League.

Ok, that's all the strong, positive cartoon women I have from my shelves.

[nanocon]

At 12/7/13 03:02 PM, stafffighter wrote: Elisa Maza from Gargoyles
Storm, Jean and Rouge from x-men
Daria from Daria
Eve from Wall-e
Barbra Gordon from Batman/Batman Beyond
Major from Ghost in the Shell
Mrs. Brisby from Secret of Nihm
Wonder Woman from Justice League.

Ok, that's all the strong, positive cartoon women I have from my shelves.

okay now how about you show all the negative ones and we see how the lists stack up ps i do like strong female characters my point is most pofessional writers dont know how to do them

[Entice]

I for one, am glad that cartoons are daring enough to break down gender barriers lol

[stafffighter]

At 12/7/13 03:25 PM, nanocon wrote:

okay now how about you show all the negative ones and we see how the lists stack up ps i do like strong female characters my point is most pofessional writers dont know how to do them

I'm pretty sure everyone on that list there got paid for their work. Were any of them on Fox? Oh that reminds me, Leela from Futurama. Lisa Simpson is arguable, but isn't admitting human flaws also a sign of strength? So, her too.
There's another factor you're missing here. Look at the writing credits sometimes, a bunch of the people writing female characters are themselves women.

[Grotty]

I have no idea what this thread is about, but if I'm right: most Ghibli films.

[ElMagnificoBurro]

People are always bitching and moaning about how women are portrayed in fiction and in the media. "Oh she's being objectified, she's poorly written, why can't she do what he can?" Look hard enough and you'll see that men are portrayed badly as well, just in a differant way. You know what though? Fuck this gender crap, their both shit. Tell me something, have you ever considered that the reason women are both seen the way they are in fiction and have the social standing that they do. Is because their not actually as great as you think they are? Because people as a whole really aren't all that great?

[DarkMatter]

It all depends onthe mood of the show and what they're trying to get you to feel.

So try not to look at it like a cumulative rehashing of the same character model.

[stafffighter]

At 12/7/13 06:10 PM, ElMagnificoBurro wrote: Is because their not actually as great as you think they are? Because people as a whole really aren't all that great?

I agree with this. A woman doesn't have to be a flawless role model to be a strong character. Frankly if the writers were too scared and had to make her one that would be adding to the problem. It's basically the same as the Superman/Batman argument. Resilience is more interesting than invincibility.

[nanocon]

At 12/7/13 06:28 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 12/7/13 06:10 PM, ElMagnificoBurro wrote: Is because their not actually as great as you think they are? Because people as a whole really aren't all that great?

I agree with this. A woman doesn't have to be a flawless role model to be a strong character. Frankly if the writers were too scared and had to make her one that would be adding to the problem. It's basically the same as the Superman/Batman argument. Resilience is more interesting than invincibility.

i dont mind bitchy girls in cartoons but i prefer them realisticly bitchy i also would like them not confusing stength with bitchiness and maybe put a token actually strong woman in the mix

[HollowedPumkinz]

At 12/7/13 02:24 PM, nanocon wrote: i think that does sums up how proffessional cartoon writers see women

Given your own writing ability, I doubt you have any kind of say in the judgment of professional writers. There's plenty of "strong" female characters in cartoons, Mandy from TGAoB&M comes to mind, Powerpuff girls, Steven Universe, Adventure Time and a slew of others both old and contemporary.

You know what I think? I think your problem isn't that all women aren't seen as equals to their male counterparts, I think your problem is that you are just expecting the females to be flawless perfect beings who can't have a fault or its "unequal". Why? Because you constantly compare the female characters to the main character (if they're male) and bitch about how the male main character isn't as flawed but if you'd look at the other male characters you'd see they're just as fucked as any other minor character, often times the characters that are portrayed as the worst/weakest/most flawed are in fact male. The problem isn't female vs. male, it's minor character vs. Main character.

Some parts of PC Society and in particular, the media (not to sound like "that guy" but yeah, I think the media has had plenty of fault in doing this, granted not all media), has warped people into viewing any discrepancy between male and female to be unequal regardless of context and a ploy by white males to belittle women. Some characters have more flaws than others, that's it, the only difference between these minor characters against major characters is that we get to see the main characters reflect and make amends for their flaws while minors don't get that chance. Stop reading into things that don't exist, there is no secret plot by large groups to belittle women on screen or real life and there is zero evidence to prove otherwise, just a whole lot conspiratorial speculation that is largely baseless. But if you don't believe me, that's fine, just make sure you don't hit your head on that Glass Ceiling on the way out.

[naronic]

At 12/7/13 02:32 PM, nanocon wrote:

At 12/7/13 02:25 PM, poxpower wrote:

sakura from naruto
almost all the women from girls bravo aside from like 2 of them ...... a good portion of amime woman actually to many to mention here in fact

Sakura from naruto?
nope

[Chocomilk]

At 12/7/13 10:13 PM, HollowedPumkinz wrote: kicks nanocons ass

HollowedPumpinz you're a pretty cool guy.

[Xenomit]

At 12/7/13 03:02 PM, stafffighter wrote: Eve from Wall-e

#robotsdonthavegenders

[Kel-chan]

Balsa from Seriei No Moribito

I think she's the only non-super sexualized strong female char that was also motherly in an anime...go fig

[stafffighter]

At 12/7/13 10:55 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 12/7/13 03:02 PM, stafffighter wrote: Eve from Wall-e

#robotsdonthavegenders

I respect your argument, but have the strong desire to bitch slap anyone who communicates with a hashtag. She was Eve, he was Wall-e, they were a couple, a hetronormitive robot couple. Urge to list over robots depicted with gender fading....fading.... fading..... Data was a boy he had sex with a lady...fading, gone

[Xenomit]

At 12/7/13 11:01 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 12/7/13 10:55 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 12/7/13 03:02 PM, stafffighter wrote: Eve from Wall-e

#robotsdonthavegenders

I respect your argument, but have the strong desire to bitch slap anyone who communicates with a hashtag.

I was using it out of sarcasm

She was Eve, he was Wall-e, they were a couple, a hetronormitive robot couple.

heteronormative*

Urge to list over robots depicted with gender fading....fading.... fading..... Data was a boy he had sex with a lady...fading, gone

Data was an android specifically designed to be as much like a human as possible

Eve and Wall-e were both just self-aware appliances

[ErikMasters]

Tell me something, have you ever considered that the reason women are both seen the way they are in fiction and have the social standing that they do. Is because their not actually as great as you think they are? Because people as a whole really aren't all that great?

Amen

[stafffighter]

At 12/7/13 11:10 PM, Xenomit wrote:

I was using it out of sarcasm

Upping the irony is not going to get you on my good side.

She was Eve, he was Wall-e, they were a couple, a hetronormitive robot couple.

heteronormative*

Dude, it's barely a real word anyway. A nice little g rated love story needs a six syllable word to contextualize it. This is the world we live in, bunch of monkeys flying on a rock.

Data was an android specifically designed to be as much like a human as possible

Eve and Wall-e were both just self-aware appliances

Then why were they both giving acronyms that purposefully added up to gender specific names? The designers clearly had some fun putting identity in them.

[Xenomit]

At 12/7/13 11:16 PM, stafffighter wrote: Then why were they both giving acronyms that purposefully added up to gender specific names?

Because most humans always think so linearly

[stafffighter]

At 12/7/13 11:21 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 12/7/13 11:16 PM, stafffighter wrote: Then why were they both giving acronyms that purposefully added up to gender specific names?

Because most humans always think so linearly

You can think in the nth dimension for all I care but they were clearly a boy and girl robot. And when the choice to stand by and do her function or do what was right came along she made the right choice. Strong robot lady.

[Natick]

SHUT THE FUCK UP BOTH OF YOU ARGUING ABOUT ROBOT GENDERS IN A GODDAMN CGI FILM IS THE NIGHT REALLY THAT BORING

[Xenomit]

At 12/7/13 11:23 PM, stafffighter wrote: You can think in the nth dimension for all I care but they were clearly a boy and girl robot. And when the choice to stand by and do her function or do what was right came along she made the right choice. Strong robot lady.

They had a pretty severe lack of stuff that defines males and females

[24901miles]

At 12/7/13 10:55 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 12/7/13 03:02 PM, stafffighter wrote: Eve from Wall-e

#robotsdonthavegenders

Yeah, excepting that Eve is a female name and Wally (Wall-E) is a male name. And Wall-E was voiced by Ben Burtt. And Eve was voiced by Elissa Knight. And the characters display classic male/female mannerisms and courtship. And shut the fuck up.

[Xenomit]

At 12/7/13 11:26 PM, 24901miles wrote: Yeah, excepting that Eve is a female name and Wally (Wall-E) is a male name.

You can name an apple an orange but it's still an apple

And Wall-E was voiced by Ben Burtt. And Eve was voiced by Elissa Knight. And the characters display classic male/female mannerisms and courtship. And shut the fuck up.

Why is it so hard to accept that they're both genderless

[stafffighter]

At 12/7/13 11:32 PM, Xenomit wrote:

Why is it so hard to accept that they're both genderless

I still don't think they are and I'm not about to put the mod last word stamp on here but we can all agree we've taken up enough of the thread talking about this.

Here's a cartoon lady who's clearly a lady, Marge Simpson. Let's talk about her sticking by her family and stuill standing up when displeased.

[nanocon]

At 12/7/13 11:32 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 12/7/13 11:26 PM, 24901miles wrote: Yeah, excepting that Eve is a female name and Wally (Wall-E) is a male name.

You can name an apple an orange but it's still an apple

And Wall-E was voiced by Ben Burtt. And Eve was voiced by Elissa Knight. And the characters display classic male/female mannerisms and courtship. And shut the fuck up.

Why is it so hard to accept that they're both genderless

its hard t exept because otherwise people cant make a bunch of pics of eva pregnant or wall-e having sex with eva seariosly google it