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At 11/28/13 03:55 AM, exudaz wrote:

At 11/28/13 03:25 AM, supergandhi64 wrote: ironically the disease which is obesity probably stems more from that a lot of americans don't exercise enough than that they eat too much . . . active people are seldom fat even if they stuff themselves with deep fry. the inactivity can be linked back to people spending too much time on the computer or in front of the tv watching reality shows & sitcoms or playing video games. a healthy mind in a healthy body lol

--supergandhi64

Why do you keep posting here?
It seems like your only purpose here is to sarcastically post on everything. That's all you do, I don't get it. You never start, nor engage in, intelligent conversations lol

~exudaz

ironically are you saying that americans actually get enough physical exercise? are you trivializing the fact which is that each new generation of american youth grows gradually more & more inactive in your own thread about america & obesity? for the record i've never made a sarcastic post . . . everything i write is to be taken at face value. if you have anything to say which is directed at me & not my post send me a private message lol

--supergandhi64

At 11/28/13 04:59 AM, TowelMarket wrote:

At 11/28/13 03:57 AM, ErikMasters wrote: I think people need to stop underrating anorexia

Give me some advantages on anorexia.

As for the future, I think the obesity will decrease. There won't be enough cattle to support the fast food restaurants because there will be too many people on Earth. Breeding cattle also increases the percent of methane in the air, which gives a plus to destroying the ozone layer. Insects are the way to go.

Actually, statistics show that overpopulation will not be an issue anytime soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iodJ0OOdgRg#t=33

I think I'd rather live in a nation of all really fat people than really thin people.

At 11/27/13 05:54 PM, exudaz wrote: nor can we force people to stop eating fast foods, that would go against everything that the bill of rights and constitution stands for.

But it's not because it's legal that you should eat solely fast food
I can't believe 35% of Mississippi probably doesn't know how an actual home-cooked meal tastes, instead of a "happy" meal.
Frightening, almost, at least to a European.

I can think of a number of differences and problems that I observed in my time living in the States, compared to the UK. These include:

1) Ridiculous portion sizes (more than double the size of portions in the UK)

2) High quantities of added sugar/salt in a lot of products. Bread was almost inedible to my palette in the states as I was accustomed to the British equivalent. Once I got used to it British bread tasted like cardboard when I got back.

3) An absence of fresh foods in many supermarkets. My local Target in Denver had less than quarter of an aisle dedicated to fruit and veg. My local Tesco in the UK has 4 aisles.

4) Unhealthy food is cheap, healthy food is expensive (also true in many other countries). Coupons are exclusively for unhealthy items. It is much cheaper to buy fast food.

5) A culture of eating out rather than cooking at home. I eat out less than once a month in the UK. My work colleagues in Denver ate out a minimum of once a day, many of them twice a day, and never cooked for themselves. I actually found it difficult to find ingredients in super markets that are commonplace in the UK.

6) An increasingly sedentary lifestyle for a large portion of the population. Manual labour is less common with modern technology, while office jobs are prevalent. People spend more time at home in front of the TV than out exercising.

7) Exercise can be expensive or dangerous. Gyms were cheaper than the UK, but still expensive for many. Cycling in many US cities is as good as suicide (I did it for less than a month before being hit and my bike being totalled), and even walking in Denver felt dangerous with cars not expecting to see pedestrians crossing.

8) A high percentage of ethnic groups who are more prone to obesity. Genetically a lot of people of Asian/Hispanic/African decent struggle to control their weight.

9) Poor education on food and cooking. People in the UK learn to cook relatively early on, and there is a culture of cooking that is passed down through families, as is the case in many European nations. This appears to be absent in large parts of the States.

These are of course not true of all areas of the US- it is a massive country of course, and the North East in particular is much more European in culture and tastes. But considering I was able to observe these in Denver, one of the cities with the lowest percentage of obesity in America, I dread to think what some of the southern states are like.

Honestly I don't think this issue can be solved non-medically or with current technology.

It'll take something like diet food ( miracle noodles lolz) to fix this, or a pill that blocks the body's ability to intake fat..

Basically like we have birth control pills for sex we need something so people can eat but not gain weight. You would never solve STDs spread or high birth rates without technology and I doubt you'd ever fix obesity no matter how many information campaigns and health subsidies you dole out. It's all money thrown into a pit IMO, humans simply cannot stop eating too much just like they can't stop fucking.

Fund pharmaceutical research, it's the only way to solve this.

At 11/28/13 04:20 PM, poxpower wrote: Honestly I don't think this issue can be solved non-medically or with current technology.

It'll take something like diet food ( miracle noodles lolz) to fix this, or a pill that blocks the body's ability to intake fat..

Basically like we have birth control pills for sex we need something so people can eat but not gain weight. You would never solve STDs spread or high birth rates without technology and I doubt you'd ever fix obesity no matter how many information campaigns and health subsidies you dole out. It's all money thrown into a pit IMO, humans simply cannot stop eating too much just like they can't stop fucking.

Fund pharmaceutical research, it's the only way to solve this.

I highly doubt that we'll be able to both produce food that makes you loose weight and spread it all to the American populace. Science can only do so much, and there are some things that pills and medicines can't accomplish. Many companies have produced 'weight loss' pills, but if when they work, most people just go back to their regular diet and gain back all their weight. These things have been around for awhile, but obesity rates still climb.

Even if we did produce this miracle food, how would we distribute it? Would it be free? How would we make sure everyone is eating it? How much would this cost for the government? Would it even be made by the government? How long would it take to work? Would it hurt food companies? Is it a temporary diet?
There are just so many questions to be asked here.

In theory, such a food is a good idea, but I doubt it would work in the real world.

Its disgusting to me how people can live like that and it is really wrong when parents let their children be so fat they cant even walk normal. But that's just me i go to the gym/workout a lot and when I see an over weight person trying to improve them self I do give them credit

I found a better visual to represent obesity in the states.
This goes by county.

At 11/28/13 03:14 PM, Sentio wrote: These are of course not true of all areas of the US

Actually, that's pretty much true everywhere except for tiny tiny towns and communities spread thin and far

At 11/28/13 04:39 PM, exudaz wrote:

Science can only do so much, and there are some things that pills and medicines can't accomplish.

It's really impossible to say over 20+ years IMO.
I'd guess it's only a matter of time before they figure something out, but who knows how much.

Even if we did produce this miracle food, how would we distribute it?

Stores. Who wouldn't buy it? lol.
It'd be as mass-produced as advil and hamburgers.

I'm not saying it's going to be food. I have no idea, but it'll be an invention that isn't here yet, not a government program or a diet or anything like that. Those simply do not work on the population at large. Only a very tiny sample of the human population is actually capable of sticking to a diet / training program for a lifetime and it's not because people don't want to be thin and healthy, I'd imagine it's in the top 3 life dreams of 99.99% of people.

It's just really really hard to do and counter to our genetics.

At 11/28/13 03:57 AM, ErikMasters wrote: I think people need to stop underrating anorexia

I agree.

After a while you stop being hungry and you don't feel the pangs of true hunger for a long time. In heavier individuals you can survive on nothing but water for a month or even longer.

I thought mexico was the most obese country

At 11/28/13 04:59 AM, TowelMarket wrote:

At 11/28/13 03:57 AM, ErikMasters wrote: I think people need to stop underrating anorexia

Give me some advantages on anorexia.

Well I kind of meant it as a joke, but since you asked, it's a great way not to gain weight

At 11/28/13 06:04 PM, exudaz wrote: I found a better visual to represent obesity in the states.
This goes by county.

This explained why the South lost to the Union. No wonder.

At 11/28/13 10:41 PM, MadFedora wrote:

At 11/28/13 06:04 PM, exudaz wrote: I found a better visual to represent obesity in the states.
This goes by county.

This explained why the South lost to the Union. No wonder.

The confederation lost to the union because they were low in numbers and money.
Obesity wasn't really a thing back then.

Regardless of what gets done people won't change their eating habits. im big/fat the difference is I eat less now and have smaller portions( I however do eat more then im supposed too but thats rare) but I also need to take the medication I need to control my thyroid,exercise is also need not just taking my meds and doing nothing which some people do, I haven't exercised in awhile it's too cold out side and I am going to go to the ymca soon when I get yhings in order.

Some people dont change some do and some at least make the effort tomdo something

At 11/28/13 11:00 PM, exudaz wrote:

At 11/28/13 10:41 PM, MadFedora wrote:

At 11/28/13 06:04 PM, exudaz wrote: I found a better visual to represent obesity in the states.
This goes by county.

This explained why the South lost to the Union. No wonder.

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Obesity wasn't really a thing back then.

I think it never was a problem

At 11/28/13 09:39 PM, Piggler wrote: In heavier individuals you can survive on nothing but water for a month or even longer.

A man with only a small amount of body fat is fully capable of living on nothing but water for up to, and sometimes even over, 35 days. A man with a much larger amount of body fat can survive on nothing but water for even longer than that.

It's crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViZQkCYfufk

I think this documentary sheds a lot of light on the subject.

Obesity seems to affect the poor the most.
This seems to be because fast foods are easier to get and cheaper to get than healthy food, therefore the poor will tend to buy the fast food.
So are the corporations to blame? Is this the fault of the capitalist system.
Surely it can not be the fault of the poor if fast food is heavily advertised, readily available, and cheap.
Or are they just not trying hard enough?

I think that, if it's partially fault of companies, they should at least try to make things a little healthier. But why would they? If they can make more money chubbing people up on cheap fatty foods then why would they change their ways and risk profits? If companies can profit off of obesity, why wouldn't they want people to get big and fat?

At 11/29/13 12:45 AM, exudaz wrote: Obesity seems to affect the poor the most.
This seems to be because fast foods are easier to get and cheaper to get than healthy food, therefore the poor will tend to buy the fast food.
So are the corporations to blame? Is this the fault of the capitalist system.
Surely it can not be the fault of the poor if fast food is heavily advertised, readily available, and cheap.
Or are they just not trying hard enough?

I think that, if it's partially fault of companies, they should at least try to make things a little healthier. But why would they? If they can make more money chubbing people up on cheap fatty foods then why would they change their ways and risk profits? If companies can profit off of obesity, why wouldn't they want people to get big and fat?

It seems like you're trying to go after capitalism at every chance you get.

Yes, if they can make more money by using cheaper and more unhealthy foods, then they're gonna do that, it's a business. It's up to the people consuming the food who decides whether or not they let that be an excuse to get fat. I've eaten fast food almost literally every single day of my life from the age of 6. That said, other than hereditary liver and heart problems, I'm completely healthy and maintain a fit body. I eat McDonalds up to 4 times a week, and somehow I've still managed to stay healthy.

Don't blame any of this on capitalism. Or, well, maybe a little bit, if capitalism didn't make us so prosperous we wouldn't have such a huge abundance of food and other luxuries. Blame it on laziness. The people who stuff their face with as much food as they can and then do nothing with all those thousands of calories they consume, which in turn becomes body fat.

Retardatarian defense force in full swing.

At 11/28/13 10:38 PM, ErikMasters wrote: Well I kind of meant it as a joke, but since you asked, it's a great way not to gain weight

Yeah, but at the price of your health and subsequently your life.

I like how this thread was made on Thanksgivings perfect lol just perfect.

1:1 big 2: healthy 3:husky 4:fluffy 5:DAMN! 6:oh HELL no

At 11/29/13 09:40 AM, generalwinter wrote: To me obesity comes down to laziness in most circumstances. If you are obese you could lose weight by limiting your calorie intake and exercising in most circumstances. Are there exceptions to this, yes, but for the vast majority it simply comes down to limiting calorie intake and burning calories through exercise.

And the majority of people aren't getting that exercise because of laziness brought about by sedentary lifestyles. When most people get the options of hard work and some healthy food, or no work and all the tasty food they want, what do you they will pick?

People aren't stupid, just lazy.

At 11/29/13 12:45 AM, exudaz wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViZQkCYfufk

I think this documentary sheds a lot of light on the subject.

Obesity seems to affect the poor the most.
This seems to be because fast foods are easier to get and cheaper to get than healthy food, therefore the poor will tend to buy the fast food.

This is so damn true. One box of Caesar salad costs like $7.99 while I could just get a decent McD combo for less. Junk foods cost much less than healthy foods in Western countries. Pork, most of the time is cheaper than good vegetables.

So are the corporations to blame? Is this the fault of the capitalist system.

The current (type of) capitalist system is full of holes. A broken one. I won't go further due to the denseness of some people's skulls would cause them to misunderstand my points elsewhere.

At 11/29/13 03:13 PM, MadFedora wrote: The current (type of) capitalist system is full of holes. A broken one. I won't go further due to the denseness of some people's skulls would cause them to misunderstand my points elsewhere.

Well, I don't think capitalism is a bad system, but I do feel that it's taken advantage of far too much.

At 11/29/13 03:13 PM, MadFedora wrote: This is so damn true. One box of Caesar salad costs like $7.99 while I could just get a decent McD combo for less. Junk foods cost much less than healthy foods in Western countries. Pork, most of the time is cheaper than good vegetables.

Make your own salad? is it really that hard?

At 11/29/13 03:13 PM, MadFedora wrote:

This is so damn true. One box of Caesar salad costs like $7.99

Then don't buy that.
Salad isn't the only healthy food.

A bag of brown rice costs nothing, you'll eat for 2-3$ a day if you know how to cook.

The truth is that people just can't control portion-size. It has nothing to do with food prices or food quality. "Healthy" food that has a lot of calories still tastes good and people will over-eat. There's no magical food that is healthy, filling and tastes amazing.

People are fat because fatty things taste awesome, whether it be a 1$ burger or a 30$ salmon dish.