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Abolish Food Stamps/EBT

seriously.

Foodstamps subsidies most of these supermarkets as the schlubs that run into to get doritos and frozen pizza on their gubbermint cards wouldnt be eating that if they didnt have it availible. Sure, they might head to mcdonalds or something but eating that crap everyday would get old real fast.

Or not....

but atleast it would save a ton of money

At 11/27/13 07:56 PM, Kel-chan wrote: Abolish Food Stamps/EBT

I also believe in a fantasy world where people in the US don't starve or go hungry

You're right though, letting them starve is better than letting them live healthy while having other people that abuse the system. Also simply reforming the system instead of abolishing it isn't an option, because dicks

Yeah its a problem.

One that maybe can be fixed if we put more emphasis and shame on it, but people are scared to do that.

Ah well, Id rather live in a fat nation then a starving one

At 11/27/13 07:56 PM, Kel-chan wrote: Abolish Food Stamps/EBT

And what of all the people who don't abuse the system and would die without foodstamps and welfare?
The welfare system is pretty broken, and people take advantage of it, but that doesn't mean we should abolish it.

At 11/27/13 08:03 PM, Nor wrote: Ah well, Id rather live in a fat nation then a starving one

That's a good point and should be kept in mind during this sort of discussion.

At 11/27/13 08:48 PM, exudaz wrote:

At 11/27/13 07:56 PM, Kel-chan wrote: Abolish Food Stamps/EBT

And what of all the people who don't abuse the system and would die without foodstamps and welfare?
The welfare system is pretty broken, and people take advantage of it, but that doesn't mean we should abolish it.

please....

you scale back the gov't and suddenly everybody's dying in the streets. Gimme a break. You have charity, you have low cost food, you still have fast food. People can grow their own crap, start food co-ops and farmers markets and every other thing that went on prior to Johnson's Great Society BS.

Oh America, conspiracy theorists and political scientists (yes, those exist), both agree that you will loose superpower status by 2030
Good job!

At 11/27/13 08:56 PM, Kel-chan wrote:

:You have charity,

Charity still takes money from people who don't need it, and it can be mooched off of, just like the welfare system. And there's no guaranty people would donate enough.

:you have low cost food, you still have fast food.

Supply and demand. If everyone buys low cost food, it won't be low cost for very long.

:People can grow their own crap, start food co-ops and farmers markets and every other thing that went on prior to Johnson's Great Society BS.

So let me get this straight. People with no money will group together, grow a bunch of food, split it up, and somehow become financially independent? First of all, we don't know if we have enough land to give to ALL the people who need food. Second, what about all the people who are financially dependent because of disabilities? How will they farm? Third, even if we have enough land to give to the poor, starting farms on all that land would cost tons of taxpayer dollars. Those are only three issues with your plan. I'm sorry, but it just wouldn't work.

I don't know how people can't control their eating habits.

At 11/27/13 09:17 PM, Luer wrote: I don't know how people can't control their eating habits.

It's not just an issue of eating habits, it's a combination of things.
Sedentary lifestyles, unhealthy food abundance, lots of stuff.

At 11/27/13 09:14 PM, exudaz wrote:

blah blah blah* Those are only three issues with your plan. I'm sorry, but it just wouldn't work.

This is a discussion for a different thread and I'm not gonna derail this thread refuting this

The promotion of exercise and work outs is the most important thing here, a man who works out on a regular basis could eat the exact same diet as a morbidly obese man and it do nothing to him in the long run (you know, except for the heart disease even if he is doing cardio) and then, people would eat better because they'd feel like shit if they ate bad crap and tried running...or it would backfire and they'd give up cardio for food (but I think that would extend to only the very obese and unwilling). That's how I use to eat, I haven't been working out very often lately, and thus have been trying to cut back more, its kinda hard though.

But you know, I think I understand the mentality of the obese a little better because of it. I use to run a mile almost every day followed by core followed by weights, and now...now that sounds real fucking tough and too much effort. I have no doubt I'll get off my ass eventually but I have a feeling it'll be a slow start. But that's just it, once I start, I can keep it up for weeks before a snag. Its getting into the mentality, you got to WANT it and want to push yourself. Giving people the mentality is the absolute MOST important thing, eating healthy helps a lot but people got to have a reason for it. And working out is a great reason to eat better, so I say exercise exercise EXERCISE and get your ass on that tread, on that street/track, and get to work. So the real question is: How? There's plenty of "health" movements and the media certainly loves promoting it, so I guess just get involved locally with charity runs and shit, I guess. Promote farm foods and such.

And remember:

YOU GOTTA FEEL THE BURRRRNNNN!

fuck, I might get up and do a couple right now..............nah fuck it, pass the chips. *munch munch munch*

At 11/27/13 07:56 PM, Kel-chan wrote: Abolish Food Stamps/EBT

There was an article on a senator (I believe from Florida) who wanted to restrict Food Stamps so that they couldn't be used to get foods above a certain fat/calorie count so that the obesity rate amongst the poor was cut back (since processed foods are among the cheapest but also most fattening and thus, the reason why obesity is so rampant amongst them). And I thought it was a good plan because the kids of the poor need vegetables, not generic brand cheetos. But I guess the majority of the poor are fairly...uninformed, and had it out with the article in the comments section. Arguing "healthy" food was too expensive.

Of course that's not true though, they're just looking at all these name-brand "health" foods marketed at middle class woman who feel they've let themselves go in supermarkets. But do you know how long a 5lb bag of rice and a pound of beef can last a family of 4? Or a bag of lentils + a couple tomatoes and a head of lettuce? Over a week, all items cost under $10. You could very easily feed your family for at or under $20 a week.It won't taste great unless you're good with spices, and you'd have to rotate left overs every couple days, but its very possible and that's just the extreme. You can eat for very cheap and healthy simply off of vegetables, fruits and boxed meals (gotta read the nutrition labels first though). But It's just a little harder than cracking open a bag of chips so therefore, too hard all together.

These are even cheaper:
http://www.cheapcooking.com/index.htm

Ways exist to cut obesity in the lower income brackets, however, getting them to use them is a very different story.

just cus you led it to water...

At 11/27/13 07:20 PM, exudaz wrote: Great one,

If these statistics aren't correct, what is fueling their increase?

Let's say that the statistics aren't right. Ok, so why are these 'false' statistics rising?
Something needs to be causing them to rise, so what is it?

I live in a very health conscience city, so I don't really understand whatever you're saying. The majority of girls my age here are between 90-130 pounds and a height of 5'3-5'7. Pretty average weight to me.

At 11/27/13 10:40 PM, Shauna wrote: I live in a very health conscience city

Well there you go. You're not going to see a trend affecting the entire population of the US in one place that's mostly an exception to the rule.

At 11/27/13 09:14 PM, exudaz wrote:

The point is that socialism is idealistic and naive

At 11/27/13 10:42 PM, Entice wrote:

At 11/27/13 10:40 PM, Shauna wrote: I live in a very health conscience city

Well there you go. You're not going to see a trend affecting the entire population of the US in one place that's mostly an exception to the rule.

If you want to see how bad it is, I guess you could go to somewhere in the dark red.

I cant believe no one used this yet

At 11/27/13 11:02 PM, exudaz wrote: If you want to see how bad it is, I guess you could go to somewhere in the dark red.

Can't we just eradicate the south already

At 11/28/13 02:47 AM, Xenomit wrote:

At 11/27/13 11:02 PM, exudaz wrote: If you want to see how bad it is, I guess you could go to somewhere in the dark red.

Can't we just eradicate the south already

No I live there and I don't like up north south is real homey

At 11/28/13 02:54 AM, kazumazkan wrote:

At 11/28/13 02:47 AM, Xenomit wrote:

At 11/27/13 11:02 PM, exudaz wrote: If you want to see how bad it is, I guess you could go to somewhere in the dark red.

Can't we just eradicate the south already

No I live there and I don't like up north south is real homey

I was born and raised in the south, it's a legit hell

At 11/27/13 06:57 PM, Xenomit wrote: It's because we have waaaaay more food than the rest of the world, and so much of it is so good that we can't stop eating it

Yea, that sure must be the reason.

At 11/28/13 03:09 AM, ManDeep wrote:

At 11/27/13 06:57 PM, Xenomit wrote: It's because we have waaaaay more food than the rest of the world, and so much of it is so good that we can't stop eating it

Yea, that sure must be the reason.

I wasn't even being sarcastic, it really is the reason.

We produce and import an absurd amount of food, way more than we could ever need, and so many Americans just stuff themselves senseless.

I could go grab some food stats if you wanted. We have so much food, that even with millions of fatties eating as much as they can, we throw away enough food in 1 week to feed several African countries for a year.

At 11/28/13 02:59 AM, Xenomit wrote:

At 11/28/13 02:54 AM, kazumazkan wrote:

At 11/28/13 02:47 AM, Xenomit wrote:

At 11/27/13 11:02 PM, exudaz wrote: If you want to see how bad it is, I guess you could go to somewhere in the dark red.

Can't we just eradicate the south already

No I live there and I don't like up north south is real homey

I was born and raised in the south, it's a legit hell

Well I guess it depends on where you live I live in somewhat good town but want to move to one of the neighboring towns that are better then the one im currently living at

At 11/28/13 03:13 AM, kazumazkan wrote: Well I guess it depends on where you live I live in somewhat good town but want to move to one of the neighboring towns that are better then the one im currently living at

I lived in a small town in Arkansas for the majority of my life

Never again

ironically the disease which is obesity probably stems more from that a lot of americans don't exercise enough than that they eat too much . . . active people are seldom fat even if they stuff themselves with deep fry. the inactivity can be linked back to people spending too much time on the computer or in front of the tv watching reality shows & sitcoms or playing video games. a healthy mind in a healthy body lol

--supergandhi64

At 11/28/13 02:47 AM, Xenomit wrote:

At 11/27/13 11:02 PM, exudaz wrote: If you want to see how bad it is, I guess you could go to somewhere in the dark red.

Can't we just eradicate the south already

I looked at some of the food in the south.
If I lived there, I would be fat within weeks. We don't have shit in the north, just clam chowder and clam cakes.
Apparently the lifestyle there is slower, too. Maybe that contributes to it.

At 11/28/13 03:25 AM, supergandhi64 wrote: ironically the disease which is obesity probably stems more from that a lot of americans don't exercise enough than that they eat too much . . . active people are seldom fat even if they stuff themselves with deep fry. the inactivity can be linked back to people spending too much time on the computer or in front of the tv watching reality shows & sitcoms or playing video games. a healthy mind in a healthy body lol

--supergandhi64

Why do you keep posting here?
It seems like your only purpose here is to sarcastically post on everything. That's all you do, I don't get it. You never start, nor engage in, intelligent conversations lol

~exudaz

I think people need to stop underrating anorexia

At 11/28/13 03:57 AM, ErikMasters wrote: I think people need to stop underrating anorexia

Give me some advantages on anorexia.

As for the future, I think the obesity will decrease. There won't be enough cattle to support the fast food restaurants because there will be too many people on Earth. Breeding cattle also increases the percent of methane in the air, which gives a plus to destroying the ozone layer. Insects are the way to go.