Why are Western nations evil?

[Xiicubed]

Why are they so evil and neo-colonialist? Why must they always have their hands on everything?

[Entice]

Why do people have to be greedy and steal?
Can't we just all get along?

[Tony-DarkGrave]

because first world countries are Boss.

[NickBeard]

At 11/5/13 07:34 PM, Xiicubed wrote: Why are they so evil and neo-colonialist? Why must they always have their hands on everything?

Loaded question.

[Camarohusky]

At 11/5/13 07:34 PM, Xiicubed wrote: Why are they so evil and neo-colonialist? Why must they always have their hands on everything?

When you have power that is globally tied, small things that happen elsewhere can have strong ripple effects. In order to protect their own power, they must watch over, and occasionally intervene, others to ensure such ripple effect are prevent and are minimal if they occur.

Think of it this way. If you had the power to stop that one fucktard who drives too slow right before rush hour largely contributing to the ensuing traffic jam, you would.

[Entice]

At 11/5/13 11:20 PM, Camarohusky wrote: In order to protect their own power

Good to know they have their priorities straight.

[GameChild214]

Because humans are greedy, we all are. Why do so many Jews become money lenders? Why do so many Blacks become thugs? Why do so many Asians like math? It's just a cultural thing, some follow it and some don't.

[Sense-Offender]

What is apartheid? Tienenman Square massacre? Japan in WWII? Saddam, Assad, Mugabe, Bashir, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, Kim Jong-un, Kony, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda? people in Africa butchering albinos and killing children for alleged witchcraft? People being imprisoned or even executed for being gay? "Honor killings" in the middle east? Beheadings in Iraq? Nope, never heard of any of that stuff. It's just the West that's got a fucked up history. Yep.

[Korriken]

At 11/5/13 07:34 PM, Xiicubed wrote: Why are they so evil and neo-colonialist? Why must they always have their hands on everything?

Xiicubed, when did you stop molesting your neighbors children?

[Kwing]

I don't think it has anything to do with the nations, but rather the rich, be them western or otherwise. For instance, look at trade between America and China. Americans lose jobs and quality products, and Chinese workers are forced to work insane hours, sometimes being threatened if they refuse to cooperate. Meanwhile, American corporations see more purchases, less money going to workers, and more profit, and the Chinese government gets industrialization.

The only thing that makes the west worse is power. In essence, all people are the same immoral bastards as one another, but the ones with the most power do the most damage.

[tyler2513]

Yeah why can't they be more like Earth's more peaceful nations like Iraq, Syria or Iran!!?

[Korriken]

The people who cry and whine about the "rich" being "evil" have no grasp on reality. No matter what system you live in, you WILL have the rich and you WILL have the poor. No system, not even (especially not) Communism can get rid of that.

If you want to be rich, then develop marketable skills, or some up with a great idea.

Also, you don't have to be filthy rich to be happy. In fact, more often than not, those who DO "have it all" are not happy at all.

it's a lot like being famous. From the outside, it seems glamorous to have adoring crowds... That is, until you realize you have to erect a wall around you home to keep fans, deranged psychopaths, and paparazzi out, and you can't even take a leisurely stroll in the park without being swarmed by these mindless idiots that claim to be your fan who simply will not leave you alone, ever. Then you realize your fame is little more than a prison with no bars that you will never escape until your fame is lost and people forget about you. At this point, you're labeled as a hasbeen and some people even mock you for being famous at one time.

[HibiscusMallow]

At 11/5/13 07:34 PM, Xiicubed wrote: neo-colonialist

I think this is the reason for your opinion here. I've heard all this before, though it is a legitimate issue. Many people feel as though rich powerful countries have bullied poorer countries, and are perhaps responsible for their poverty.

So what is actually going on? Why is Thailand so much better off than Cambodia? Why is Hong Kong and Singapore so wealthy compared to their neighbors? These states had poor power projection and were also subjected to skewed trade deals, skewed trade deals don't help but they are hardly a significant factor. It seems the major factor is security, particularly during the cold war.

In conclusion, the west is capable of evil but being democratic this suppresses it greatly, we should remain vigilant. If you're looking for a prime culprit though you might want to blame the soviet union. The west's support of dictators like Pinochet and Mobuto evaporated after the end of the cold war, the support for these dictators was to counter-balance the activities of the soviet union, not for the purposes of exploitation. As for skewed trade deals, they are bad, we should go for true laissez faire free trade rather than the pick and mix approach lobbyists want.

If you care about progress in the real world and lifting the poor out of poverty you must heed my conclusion. If you only care about looking edgy and "sticking it to the man", then you are wasting your time, possibly embarrassing the cause.

[leanlifter1]

At 11/5/13 07:41 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: because first world countries are Boss.

But it's people aren't. You are in control of nothing. You are not boss rather it's your slave masters that hold all the keys.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 11/8/13 09:08 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 11/5/13 07:41 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: because first world countries are Boss.

But it's people aren't. You are in control of nothing. You are not boss rather it's your slave masters that hold all the keys.

its better than being some savage in some third world shithole.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 11/8/13 09:14 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: its better than being some savage in some third world shithole.

Damning with faint praise, wouldn't you say?

[AxTekk]

At 11/8/13 09:14 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 11/8/13 09:08 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: But it's people aren't. You are in control of nothing. You are not boss rather it's your slave masters that hold all the keys.

its better than being some savage in some third world shithole.

That feel when not happy citizen in first world country that doesn't blow all it's money on endless wars.

Pic very much related. Guys even have guns too, Tony

[Ericho]

Mongolia had a huge empire, but now that you think about it, Western countries have in fact had more empires. The USA and UK seem to be guilty of this. I think it's because we just have a lot of influence worldwide and want to bring that out any way we can. Nowadays, neither country really conquers that much. Asian countries might be so large and populant, they don't even need to do that.

[KatMaestro]

Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child

Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain...

--- Rudyard Kipling

[leanlifter1]

At 11/8/13 09:14 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

its better than being some savage in some third world shithole.

Oh you mean Detroit.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 11/12/13 01:36 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 11/8/13 09:14 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

its better than being some savage in some third world shithole.

Oh you mean Detroit.

Of course I mean Detroit look at how shitty that place is.

[leanlifter1]

At 11/12/13 04:07 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 11/12/13 01:36 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 11/8/13 09:14 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

its better than being some savage in some third world shithole.

Oh you mean Detroit.

Of course I mean Detroit look at how shitty that place is.

Detroit is a goddam travesty. It's a real dam shame that "The Market" and the government just left that city to ruin's. The so called best country in the world should learn to take care of it's own. Third world city inside a 1st world country. Logic failed and I just don't understand you American's.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

Nah Lean that place has been shit for the last 50 years. they've tried everything but Detroit is like cancer you can try to treat it as much and hard as you want your not gonna cure the problem. Detroit is the rare lost Cause of america.

[orangebomb]

At 11/12/13 05:17 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Detroit is a goddam travesty. It's a real dam shame that "The Market" and the government just left that city to ruin's. The so called best country in the world should learn to take care of it's own. Third world city inside a 1st world country. Logic failed and I just don't understand you American's.

The funniest thing is that Detroit still has a higher standard of living than most African or Middle Eastern nations, not to mention that the suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and Auburn Hills are rather nice by comparison, but get overlooked because the media only focuses on the dilapidated parts of the city. Plus, a lot of Detroit's downfall {and much of the Rust Belt region for that matter} is largely due to Japanese competition in the auto market, a shift towards a technological based economy instead of a mostly industrial one, and race relations during the Civil Rights Era. {White Flight}

Tell me then, what would your solution be for fixing Detroit be? I'll bet that you have no idea.

[Camarohusky]

At 11/12/13 11:48 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Detroit is the rare lost Cause of america.

What about St. Louis?

Cleveland?

New Orleans?

There are a good amount of US cities that have gone to shit. What Leanlifter fails to realize is that the government cannot fix it by itself without turning other cities into wastelands (like D.C., Philly, Denver, and so on) The Federal Government only has so many jobs to go around.

Look at Seattle. Seattle in the late 1970s and early 1980s was on the verge of becoming another shitty Detroit town. The government didn't save it. The market did. The tech industry began to boom there based on start ups and the city did everything it could to nurture these businesses. Now Seattle is a massive business hub with a vibrant city core. Without the private sector start ups Seattle would be a blighted mess too.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

New Orleans is getting better since Katrina but there is a huge difference between Seattle and Detroit. Detroit tried doing everything even the model Seattle used.

[Camarohusky]

At 11/13/13 01:17 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Detroit tried doing everything even the model Seattle used.

Problem is that Detroit did far too little, far too late. It stuck with the auto industry for way too long after the writing was on the wall.

[Informis]

At 11/5/13 07:34 PM, Xiicubed wrote: Why are they so evil and neo-colonialist? Why must they always have their hands on everything?

Cause we eat babies with our tea

[orangebomb]

At 11/13/13 01:17 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: New Orleans is getting better since Katrina but there is a huge difference between Seattle and Detroit. Detroit tried doing everything even the model Seattle used.

Cities like Detroit were basically one-trick ponies when it came to economic matters, and up until the early to mid 70s, it was one pf the most vibrant and economically powerful cities in the world, considering that they had 3 of the 10 biggest corporations at the time. Once they started to go under, they're was little to replace the void with. If anything, Detroit should model their reconstruction after Pittsburgh, where they had to diversify the ecomomy after the steel mills went down.

One of the main reasons why cities like Seattle and Austin, Texas are successful and ever growing is because they have such diverse economies and have high appeal to young professionals as well. (Probably why they're huge with rich hipsters as well)

[Idiot-Finder]

At 11/13/13 03:51 PM, orangebomb wrote:

One of the main reasons why cities like Seattle and Austin, Texas are successful and ever growing is because they have such diverse economies and have high appeal to young professionals as well. (Probably why they're huge with rich hipsters as well)

It also doesn't help that the city was subjected to one of the biggest riots in the 1960s where it became a war zone. Not only the state's national guard, the army were also send to deal with the issue that happened.