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If she does believe that the ku klux klan do good work, why does she get her child to dress up as a klanmember when the theme is "scary".

*Facepalm*

>Not been on the BBS for a day
>I see this
Feels like coming home babes

At 11/6/13 04:44 AM, thatkidkenji wrote: There are very many alternatives to extermination, enslavement, and continuous institutionalized discrimination, such as fair trade, work-for-hire, and equality.

You are missing the point by a mile. What I said is that racism isn't occidental. Everybody can be racist, but through history it's the occidental world that had the most opportunities and the power to do such things. There was slavery between blacks, between asians, and so forth. There were slaves in the Antiquity. These aren't specificaly white phenomenons, these are human phenomenons.

... Are you so stupid that you think criticism of a system has to occur outside of that system? "lol you can't talk about politics because you're IN a country WITH politics!" Shut up.

You are missing the point again. You claimed whites were the most racist (it's funny from a black guy who admits to be racist, bu whatever). I just tried to explain in simple words how the "white culture" you live in gives you to opportunity to criticize, as opposed to countless other societies in which freedom of speech suffers a lot.

Get it?

At 11/6/13 05:38 AM, thatkidkenji wrote: The only reason you think you've experience "more racism" from blacks is because you are absolutely oblivious to the way whites perpetuate racism towards every other group (hint: because you are white).

You have no kind of theoretical background in terms of racial discrimination. You just believe that being black makes you able to master these complex political, social and economical matters. Which is false. If you are going to suggest that 24901miles only sees more racism toward whites because his white man subjectivity affects his perceptions, than how the fuck can you even argue that your point of view is OBVIOUSLY biased in the same exact way but for blacks instead of whites ?!?

Also: Racism is not limited to who gets a job or who gets beaten up or even who wears a silly Halloween costume.

Are you delusional enough to believe that blacks do not commit hate-crimes?

At 11/6/13 07:29 AM, thatkidkenji wrote: Act? What act? You are perpetrators of a system that devalues non-white people, a mode that blacks/Asians/Latinos/Indians don't have the political or social power to replicate. That makes you the most racist people in modern society. How is this hard to understand? Do you know what colonialism is? Do you not know how white supremacy has shaped the world? Of course not, because you think eurocentricity is normal. That's the privilege of being white. You are unaware of how your basic existence perpetuates oppression.

This is a hundred percent wrong. A political or social systems pre-exists to the newborns in a society. If we were indeed born in a society that favors white people over other ethnical groups, then we would have this system forced on us aswell. The fact that this system favors us, doesn't make us accomplice of these inequalities. If someone would act racist in my favor and against yours, I wouldn't be automatical racist. Especially considering the sensibility I have on these matters and my profound support to equal rights. The fact that I benefit from a system that isn't threating everybody equally is in no way my fault.

At 11/6/13 09:42 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Woooaaah

That's fucked up, man. I think you might be a racist.

He said he was...

At 11/6/13 11:06 AM, Amaranthus wrote: "White with white, black with black, man with woman."
Is it just me or did she mean "Blacks and whites shouldn't be able to marry, n'either should man and man, or woman and woman"?

Would you be surprised?

At 11/6/13 12:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: If you are going to suggest that 24901miles only sees more racism toward whites because his white man subjectivity affects his perceptions, than how the fuck can you even argue that your point of view is OBVIOUSLY biased in the same exact way but for blacks instead of whites ?!?

I really meant to say "how the fuck can you even argue that your point of view isn't obviously biaised..."
Sorry

Underneath his hood he should have a blackface.

At 11/6/13 11:06 AM, Amaranthus wrote: "White with white, black with black, man with woman."
Is it just me or did she mean "Blacks and whites shouldn't be able to marry, n'either should man and man, or woman and woman"?

Yep, if you take out "marry" and replace it with "coexist".

One thing I don't get about the KKK is that they're avowed anti-semites and avowed Christians. They have to worship the thing that they hate.

At 11/6/13 03:36 PM, Amaranthus wrote:

At 11/6/13 03:19 PM, AxTekk wrote: Yep, if you take out "marry" and replace it with "coexist".

Americans, amirite?

Lololol I think America may have peaked in the 18th Century in some regards

That kid looks pretty cute in his little outfit. But nobody can look past what they think the message is that others receive when looking at it to see that.

At 11/6/13 12:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Everybody can be racist

I never said otherwise, quit uselessly repeating this.

the "white culture" you live in gives you to opportunity to criticize, as opposed to countless other societies in which freedom of speech suffers a lot.

1. The "white culture" educated me in its way so I could help build its continuous oppression of me and mine. I'm not impressed nor am I grateful nor does this devalue my arguments in any fashion.
2. You're stupid if you think freedom of speech existed in white Western society only.

your point of view is OBVIOUSLY biased in the same exact way but for blacks instead of whites ?!?

As an outsider looking in, I have the most objective stance. The things you and your kind have perceived as normal have been understood as oppression and unequal by us for centuries, now. If you had any theoretical background - a background that would undoubtedly be informed by people of color's lived experiences - you would know that. Stop talking about "theories." I don't give a shit about what you've read.

The fact that this system favors us, doesn't make us accomplice of these inequalities.

"The System" is not fucking Skynet. It's made up of you and your kind continually shoving people of color off the world stage. By being white in a white supremacist society, you are a white supremacist accomplice. The most you could do is sit down, shup up, listen to us, learn, and pass that knowledge on to other white people and do your own personal efforts to change the system. But even through all of that, you are still covered in white privilege and you are still the oppressor.
I don't give a flying fuck about your white tears. "Oh god! I'm a natural born racist! Why ever will I do?!?" Fuck off.

At 11/6/13 10:29 AM, Elitistinen wrote:

Assumption kills your argument right here. Just because you never experience it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

It doesn't exist. If it does, show me it.

We are living in 21st century and US just have a black president. And here we are, an asshole still crying of colonialism and oppression. Wake the fuck up.

We have a half-black President of the United States while whites retain 86% of the nation's wealth, commit the most crimes while receiving the least harshest prison sentences, while being the most prominent players in media.
I am wide awake. You are blinded by right-wing propaganda bullshit. "There's a black president! Everything is different now!" Shut the fuck up.

Do you not know how white supremacy has shaped the world? Of course not, because you think eurocentricity is normal.

So you meant I being 'white' is automatically become an oppressor? What the fuck up logic is that?

Yes, you being white means you are automatically an oppressor. Just like by being men we are all oppressors. Just like being in a 1st world country that is bombing and invading 3rd world countries we are all oppressors. It's a fucked up reality. Maybe you should wake the fuck up instead of pretending it doesn't exist.

At 11/6/13 05:24 PM, thatkidkenji wrote: 1. The "white culture" educated me in its way so I could help build its continuous oppression of me and mine. I'm not impressed nor am I grateful nor does this devalue my arguments in any fashion.

Are you living in such a stupid black and white world that you can't see any shades of grey? You really believe that you've been educated in a "white culture"? I don't know if the US is that horrible, but we've got quite a multiethnical culture here in Quebec and the rest of Canada. We aknoledge this mutlicultural aspect of our world, and quite a few modern occidental philosophy are based on openess to other cultures. If you think you live in a white supremacist country nowadays, in 2013.. then you need to open your eyes and stop victimizing yourself.

2. You're stupid if you think freedom of speech existed in white Western society only.

As an outsider looking in, I have the most objective stance. The things you and your kind have perceived as normal have been understood as oppression and unequal by us for centuries, now. If you had any theoretical background - a background that would undoubtedly be informed by people of color's lived experiences - you would know that. Stop talking about "theories." I don't give a shit about what you've read.

My kind? You mean evil white people? If you keep viewing "others" as monolithic blocks who are all responsible for what happenned in the past, then you are indeed discriminating us, and you seem to believe us to be determined so much by the color of our skin... it's almost a fatality. Like we can't fucking think for ourselves and aren't able to have a conception of the world that is based on intersubjective communication.

And I know you don't give a shit about what I've read, anything that could possibly make me anything else than the evil historical white oppressor... you will automaticaly neglect and consider useless information.

"The System" is not fucking Skynet. It's made up of you and your kind continually shoving people of color off the world stage. By being white in a white supremacist society, you are a white supremacist accomplice. The most you could do is sit down, shup up, listen to us, learn, and pass that knowledge on to other white people and do your own personal efforts to change the system. But even through all of that, you are still covered in white privilege and you are still the oppressor.

White supremacist society? Are you fucking kidding me?

Stop using that stupid white shaming bullshit. Society is given to us in a form that we can't easily alter. I was born in a world, that is far more open to diversity then it was before, but that still shows signs of inequity. If you want to victimize yourself to the point of believing that you live in a "white supremacist society" that's you goddamn problem, but don't present it as facts.

I don't give a flying fuck about your white tears. "Oh god! I'm a natural born racist! Why ever will I do?!?" Fuck off.

Yes, fight oppression with more oppression, that will show em fucking whities what it feels like.

At 11/6/13 05:33 PM, thatkidkenji wrote: Yes, you being white means you are automatically an oppressor. Just like by being men we are all oppressors. Just like being in a 1st world country that is bombing and invading 3rd world countries we are all oppressors. It's a fucked up reality. Maybe you should wake the fuck up instead of pretending it doesn't exist.

I suppose that by this backward logic, having a dick makes me a potential rapist.

At 11/6/13 07:44 AM, 24901miles wrote:

How many blacks, whites, and non-Asians are in political power in any nation East of the Caucus Mountains?

Alldeveloped nations have been under the thumb of Euro-American powers since the 1920s, and work within the white supremacist kyriarchy. Hiring "their own" politicians doesn't change who those politicians answer to. Learn something before you try and perform mental gymnastics.

At 11/6/13 05:24 PM, thatkidkenji wrote: "The System" is not fucking Skynet. It's made up of you and your kind continually shoving people of color off the world stage.

Why are there so many successful African athletes and Asian academics? Why is the President of a White Supremacist Nation a black man? Why are most of the top rappers black? Why do African athletes win footraces in the Greek Olympics? Why is Haiti one of the most successful nations, while the Dominican Republic is a boring waste of space?

Why is there such an uneven distribution of skill, wealth, and achievement?

At 11/6/13 05:40 PM, Profanity wrote: Why are there so many successful African athletes and Asian academics? Why is the President of a White Supremacist Nation a black man? Why are most of the top rappers black? Why do African athletes win footraces in the Greek Olympics? Why is Haiti one of the most successful nations, while the Dominican Republic is a boring waste of space?

Why is there such an uneven distribution of skill, wealth, and achievement?

This is still not a proof that there aren't inequities. The fact that some blacks can be succesful nowadays doesn't mean that we've attained perfect social and political balance between ethnical groups.

At 11/6/13 05:37 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

I don't know if the US is that horrible, but we've got quite a multiethnical culture here in Quebec and the rest of Canada.

You guys treat your indigenous folk really well.

White supremacist society? Are you fucking kidding me?

Stop using that stupid white shaming bullshit.

Oh, a few posts ago you were all keen to admit that the system favored you, but now you want to call me parroting that "white shaming?" Just quit.

Yes, fight oppression with more oppression, that will show em fucking whities what it feels like.

That's not oppression. If every person of color thinks every white person is racist (an actual observable fact) then...Nothing happens. You know what happens when your kind thinks we all fit a certain mold? We get extra-judicially killed. We get deported. We get harassed at airports. We get stopped and frisked. We can't oppress you. Only whites exercise the power to oppress. You are the only people in this world who literally want the world to yourself. And you demonstrate it everyday. We have the capacity to be racist, but none of us - no Asian, no black, no Indian, no Arabic - have never so much as shown even a tiny flicker of being as racist as white people.

racist hypocrite

Funny how there was so many controversial costumes in one day. I was planning to dress up as Trayvon Martin for Halloween but I couldn't find a Arizona in my area. :(

At 11/6/13 05:40 PM, Profanity wrote:

Why are there so many successful African athletes and Asian academics?

Why are the owners of the athletic and academic assosiations white?

Why is the President of a White Supremacist Nation a black man?

Why is the House of Representatives and Congress virtually a white man's club?

Why are most of the top rappers black?

Why are all the record labels under media conglomerates owned by whites and Jewish (who, despite their attempts to say otherwise, are obviously fucking white)?

Why do African athletes win footraces in the Greek Olympics?

Why does Greece have a seriously anti-brown-immigrant problem that has caused riots several times for the past decade?

Why is Haiti one of the most successful nations, while the Dominican Republic is a boring waste of space?

Haiti was the only successful slave revolt, and it paid for it heavily through systematic retaliation from the (white ruled) United Nations for several decades before being admitted into their fold, and it is still highly neglected by the World Bank. It is an extremely poor country. You need a fact checker.

At 11/6/13 05:46 PM, thatkidkenji wrote: You guys treat your indigenous folk really well.

I don't know if that is sarcastic, but I think we have big issues when it comes to natives... Our government and electoral system dilutes the votes so we are stuck with a shitty bipartisan system that doesn't serve democracy very well.. and that makes it worst for minorities like natives... They don't have much representation inside of our system...

Oh, a few posts ago you were all keen to admit that the system favored you, but now you want to call me parroting that "white shaming?" Just quit.

I said that there are shades of gray. Having some kind of nuance in your argumentation. If I agree with you that there are social inequities between ethnical groups, it doesn't mean that I agree that we live in a white supremacist society.

That's not oppression. If every person of color thinks every white person is racist (an actual observable fact) then...Nothing happens. You know what happens when your kind thinks we all fit a certain mold? We get extra-judicially killed. We get deported. We get harassed at airports. We get stopped and frisked. We can't oppress you. Only whites exercise the power to oppress. You are the only people in this world who literally want the world to yourself. And you demonstrate it everyday. We have the capacity to be racist, but none of us - no Asian, no black, no Indian, no Arabic - have never so much as shown even a tiny flicker of being as racist as white people.

You fail to accept the idea that we aren't political and socialy responsible for the system we live in. I'm not responsible for the imperialist behavior of my governement outside of our borders, yet it happesn. I am not responsible for these actions, especially considering how badly represented we are by our governments. The system pre-exists to me. I am in no way a racist because our system discriminates minorites. Learn the difference.

It's even worst considering the point from where this thread started. We were not talking about systemical racism, we were talking about individuals doing racist stuff INDIVIDUALY. And many of us agreed that what that white woman said was racist and innappropriate. But following your backward argumentation... we are all racists no matter what. Thanks for the unjustified insult.

And if you think that the only way to oppress is through political power, then you really don't get it. Go tell a girl who just got raped by four black dudes that she was not a victim of a racist crime and that she really wasn't oppressed.

I also assume that the genocide in Rwanda wasn't real "oppresion"

Not to mention that you've admitted to be racist, and now refuses that non-whites can be racist. Just look at how welcoming the asian countries and cultures are to most people who aren't asians. You'll like what you find.

At 11/6/13 05:56 PM, SneakyGameBoy wrote: Funny how there was so many controversial costumes in one day. I was planning to dress up as Trayvon Martin for Halloween but I couldn't find a Arizona in my area. :(

That sucks. Arizona is good shit, especially the black tea and the blueberry white tea.

At 11/5/13 06:23 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 11/5/13 06:07 PM, Wegra wrote: Is it wrong I find this costume hilarious? I mean the KKK itself is a pretty goofy outfit

He's a scary ghost.

2spook4me

At 11/6/13 05:56 PM, SneakyGameBoy wrote: Funny how there was so many controversial costumes in one day. I was planning to dress up as Trayvon Martin for Halloween but I couldn't find a Arizona in my area. :(

I've seen this thing on Facebook... a girl in a Boston Marathon victim costume...

At 11/6/13 06:01 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

I am in no way a racist because our system discriminates minorites. Learn the difference.

You are the beneficiary of an oppressive system. That makes you an oppressor.

we are all racists no matter what. Thanks for the unjustified insult.

It's not unjustified given your peoples current actions in helping this racist system and inaction in getting rid of it.

I also assume that the genocide in Rwanda wasn't real "oppresion"

Oppression is political. A person who is physically harmed is not oppressed. They have been attacked. They are not victims of an institutionalized disadvantage, they are victims of fate. If the attackers were racially motivated, then they are also victims of racism. But this is a moot point because I did not say white people are the only racists in the world. This is the last time I will acknowledge your attempts to make it seem like I did.

Honkeys are born with original racism. They must repent.

At 11/6/13 06:24 PM, thatkidkenji wrote: You are the beneficiary of an oppressive system. That makes you an oppressor.

No. That's make the beneficiary of an oppressive system. If you can't accept that premise, I don't know why we are debatting this.

It's not unjustified given your peoples current actions in helping this racist system and inaction in getting rid of it.

Stop talking about whites as a monolithic block acting altogether in the same direction please, it's not helping you.

Oppression is political. A person who is physically harmed is not oppressed. They have been attacked. They are not victims of an institutionalized disadvantage, they are victims of fate. If the attackers were racially motivated, then they are also victims of racism. But this is a moot point because I did not say white people are the only racists in the world. This is the last time I will acknowledge your attempts to make it seem like I did.

Therefore I am not an oppressor since I do not hold the political power. And that's not based on my own analysis, that's based on YOUR premises. That's another contradiction on your behalf.

And please do not argue that I have the political power throug my governement. These fucks do jackshit for us middle-class fools who make this system run. We are just electoral merchandise for them.

My point is that political and social issues imply way too many variables for anybody to take intellectual shortcuts like "Beneficiary of oppressive system = oppressor". It just doesn't make sense. Nor does it make sense to suggest that all white people are racist!

At 11/6/13 06:29 PM, Elitistinen wrote: Reall? Just because of Obama is half-white, therefore he's automatically become the oppressor. Granted, I have no impression on the current 2nd worst US president in history, but at least give him some credit for being the first president, black, pushed the healthcare system forward.

That's still right-wing bullshit rhetoric. Second worst president? Would G. W. Bush be the 1st by any chances?

I'm being right-wing for defending a black president? Niqqa, are you that dense?

Are you really using the n-word while saying you aren't racist?

Ad hominem detected. Came from an idiot. Are you losing the debate with NG people? Here, take some chill pills.

I've seen far worst then him. Ad hominem means that the core of the argumentation is an insult, and you can't accuse him of doing this.