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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 11:33:24 Reply

At 11/6/13 11:08 AM, CeeeX wrote:
At 11/5/13 06:57 PM, RetromanOMG wrote:
At 11/5/13 02:31 PM, CeeeX wrote: So, are you planning on using the worst vst plugins to make a new song with it? ;P
Please, somebody do this.

I'm also on the FlSlayer boat, I absolutely despise it. Tweakbench Monomate, a free squarewave VST, is the ugliest thing I've ever tried using, though. No overlayering of effects can make it sound good, from my experience.
Oh are you challenging us to make the best track using the worst VSTs ever?

I'm up for the challenge....I think.

Guys, I already did that in my own capacity (that example I gave in my previous post is proof enough). But if anyone else wants to buy those VSTs mentioned above just so that you can try make a piece with them, feel free.


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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 12:06:27 Reply

At 11/6/13 11:33 AM, Troisnyx wrote:
At 11/6/13 11:08 AM, CeeeX wrote:
At 11/5/13 06:57 PM, RetromanOMG wrote: At 11/5/13 02:31 PM,
Guys, I already did that in my own capacity (that example I gave in my previous post is proof enough). But if anyone else wants to buy those VSTs mentioned above just so that you can try make a piece with them, feel free.

You cant use seperate effect plugins though for it to be official. Only the generators.

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 12:09:32 Reply

At 11/6/13 12:06 PM, Omegeist wrote:
At 11/6/13 11:33 AM, Troisnyx wrote:
At 11/6/13 11:08 AM, CeeeX wrote:
At 11/5/13 06:57 PM, RetromanOMG wrote: At 11/5/13 02:31 PM,
Guys, I already did that in my own capacity (that example I gave in my previous post is proof enough). But if anyone else wants to buy those VSTs mentioned above just so that you can try make a piece with them, feel free.
You cant use seperate effect plugins though for it to be official. Only the generators.

To be fair, three generators already fall in that list which are considered the absolute worst: FPC, FL Slayer and Autogun.


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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 12:24:43 Reply

At 11/6/13 03:26 AM, Step wrote:
At 11/6/13 03:10 AM, Warhector wrote: dude, Omnisphere lalz ....
BLASPHEMY.

I have also heard that Omnisphere is terrible


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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 13:14:42 Reply

At 11/6/13 11:08 AM, CeeeX wrote: Oh are you challenging us to make the best track using the worst VSTs ever?

I'm down for that. re-install FL Studio and make a track with Edirol Orchestral, FL Slayer, FPC kits and Drumaxx?

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 13:23:38 Reply

At 11/6/13 01:14 PM, JacobCadmus wrote:
At 11/6/13 11:08 AM, CeeeX wrote: Oh are you challenging us to make the best track using the worst VSTs ever?
I'm down for that. re-install FL Studio and make a track with Edirol Orchestral, FL Slayer, FPC kits and Drumaxx?

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FPC drum kits are not actually that bad neither is dramaxx. Sure there are better drum machines (if you even use one) but i have heard much worse. Like drumsynth.

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 13:35:38 Reply

At 11/6/13 01:23 PM, Omegeist wrote: FPC drum kits are not actually that bad neither is dramaxx. Sure there are better drum machines (if you even use one) but i have heard much worse. Like drumsynth.

compared to the likes of Abbey Road Drums and Battery 4 (both of which I do use), FPC and Drumaxx are flat out horrid.

the topic did say that price tags are not in consideration, right? =P

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 13:38:05 Reply

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 14:13:12 Reply

At 11/6/13 04:15 AM, LichLordMusic wrote:
At 11/5/13 10:31 PM, JacobCadmus wrote:
At 11/5/13 09:50 PM, SpaceWhale wrote: anything involving ilok
EXACTLY
I've never had any issues with the ilok service so far but I dread the day it breaks and I have to pay to retrieve the 14 licenses I have on it.

Seriously, I already bought four of these things. Their BS service has set me back so much.

1st iLok --- Stopped working randomly
2nd iLok --- WOULD NOT REGISTER MY LICENSES
3rd iLok -- Works fine
4th iLok -- So I don't have to deal with this when my 3rd one inevitably decides to crap out on me.

But really, it's messed up how they do this to us with the insurance:

Pay for the insurance? Yeah that's fine, except there is a "cooldown" period that lasts a couple days before you can actually use their insurance service.

So after the first iLok, I bought the insurance on my 2nd iLok knowing stupid stuff can happen... So then I go out on a trip to Los Angeles to look at some film I'm supposed to do music for and just visit some friends. I usually bring my production-on-the-go laptop with me to see if I can provide some demos for the producers while I was there... All I needed to do was to make some final adjustments and render out my demo, but I needed iLok to work to load the instruments.

Yep, it broke, so I thought I was in the clear and could just get another one and transfer new licenses. WELL GUESS WHAT. that stupid cooldown period wasn't over, and if I wanted to bypass the cooldown I'd have fork over 100$

So to anyone using iLok for libraries that do this stuff for a living, you absolutely need that insurance and having a second one on hand is also a good idea. They usually have them in stock at places like Guitar Center too if there's one around you.

I mean I'm all for the whole anti-piracy thing but I wish they made their device more reliable and make the whole process a bit less stressful to those who have strict time constraints. >__<

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 16:20:25 Reply

At 11/6/13 10:32 AM, JacobCadmus wrote:
At 11/6/13 04:15 AM, LichLordMusic wrote: I've never had any issues with the ilok service so far but I dread the day it breaks and I have to pay to retrieve the 14 licenses I have on it.
my iLok already broke

Why do you need to get one of those things in the first place?

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 16:41:11 Reply

At 11/6/13 12:24 PM, stunkel wrote:
At 11/6/13 03:26 AM, Step wrote:
At 11/6/13 03:10 AM, Warhector wrote: dude, Omnisphere lalz ....
BLASPHEMY.
I have also heard that Omnisphere is terrible

We can't be friends anymore.


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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 16:51:17 Reply

At 11/6/13 01:14 PM, JacobCadmus wrote:
At 11/6/13 11:08 AM, CeeeX wrote: Oh are you challenging us to make the best track using the worst VSTs ever?
I'm down for that. re-install FL Studio and make a track with Edirol Orchestral, FL Slayer, FPC kits and Drumaxx?

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

I'm starting to think it would be really fun to have a contest to see who could make the best song with the worst vsts.

Though @steampianist might have a leg up, since he (somehow) uses Edirol pretty proficiently...

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 16:56:11 Reply

At 11/6/13 04:41 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote:
At 11/6/13 12:24 PM, stunkel wrote:
At 11/6/13 03:26 AM, Step wrote:
At 11/6/13 03:10 AM, Warhector wrote: dude, Omnisphere lalz ....
BLASPHEMY.
I have also heard that Omnisphere is terrible
We can't be friends anymore.

What if i told you @step told me that? Because he totally did...


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At 11/6/13 04:56 PM, stunkel wrote: What if i told you @step told me that? Because he totally did...

Then I'd be having うさぎさん stew for supper.


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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 17:19:32 Reply

i think nothing's really bad if you use it in the right way. like, let's say you have a shitty orchestral VST that sounds nothing like anything. well? take it, throw some heavy reverb on it, put a lowpass filter on, and bam, you have some bitchin pads. it's all about context.

unless it requires ilok then fuck it


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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 17:57:59 Reply

I can't say I love iLok, but I've never had a single problem with it since I got mine.

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 17:58:01 Reply

At 11/6/13 04:20 PM, Omegeist wrote:
At 11/6/13 10:32 AM, JacobCadmus wrote:
At 11/6/13 04:15 AM, LichLordMusic wrote: I've never had any issues with the ilok service so far but I dread the day it breaks and I have to pay to retrieve the 14 licenses I have on it.
my iLok already broke
Why do you need to get one of those things in the first place?

It's supposed to stop pirating. And I suppose it has, at least for the time being. Anything that gets in the way of the user in the slightest way is not worth it. One should never have to sacrifice freedom for security.


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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 18:06:48 Reply

At 11/6/13 04:20 PM, Omegeist wrote:
At 11/6/13 10:32 AM, JacobCadmus wrote:
At 11/6/13 04:15 AM, LichLordMusic wrote: I've never had any issues with the ilok service so far but I dread the day it breaks and I have to pay to retrieve the 14 licenses I have on it.
my iLok already broke
Why do you need to get one of those things in the first place?

iLok is required to run certain programs (vsts like EastWest; DAWs like Pro Tools, etc.) and must be plugged in at all times of using said programs.

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 18:36:55 Reply

At 11/6/13 01:14 PM, JacobCadmus wrote:
At 11/6/13 11:08 AM, CeeeX wrote: Oh are you challenging us to make the best track using the worst VSTs ever?
I'm down for that. re-install FL Studio and make a track with Edirol Orchestral, FL Slayer, FPC kits and Drumaxx?

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Drumaxx is not bad, in fact it's pretty good if you use it right.

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 18:47:09 Reply

At 11/6/13 01:14 PM, JacobCadmus wrote:
At 11/6/13 11:08 AM, CeeeX wrote: Oh are you challenging us to make the best track using the worst VSTs ever?
I'm down for that. re-install FL Studio and make a track with Edirol Orchestral, FL Slayer, FPC kits and Drumaxx?

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 19:14:34 Reply

At 11/6/13 06:47 PM, PeterSatera wrote:
At 11/6/13 01:14 PM, JacobCadmus wrote:
At 11/6/13 11:08 AM, CeeeX wrote: Oh are you challenging us to make the best track using the worst VSTs ever?
I'm down for that. re-install FL Studio and make a track with Edirol Orchestral, FL Slayer, FPC kits and Drumaxx?

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-06 19:23:25 Reply

At 11/6/13 05:58 PM, DanteUruzu wrote:
At 11/6/13 04:20 PM, Omegeist wrote:
At 11/6/13 10:32 AM, JacobCadmus wrote:
At 11/6/13 04:15 AM, LichLordMusic wrote: I've never had any issues with the ilok service so far but I dread the day it breaks and I have to pay to retrieve the 14 licenses I have on it.
my iLok already broke
Why do you need to get one of those things in the first place?
It's supposed to stop pirating. And I suppose it has, at least for the time being. Anything that gets in the way of the user in the slightest way is not worth it. One should never have to sacrifice freedom for security.

I mainly have Antares licenses on there for AutoTune Live & EFX along with Mic Mod, Harmony Engine and the vast majority of the AVOX range along with one or two EWQL licenses.


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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-07 01:11:23 Reply

At 11/6/13 04:51 PM, johnfn wrote:

I'm starting to think it would be really fun to have a contest to see who could make the best song with the worst vsts.

thats actually a good idea.!!!

:I kick ass with edirol

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-07 01:47:14 Reply

DSK orchestral freeware plugins may actually sound even worse than Edirol. I just might give those a try. hopefully I can replicate that PS1-era mockup sound. ^_^

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-07 07:25:53 Reply

At 11/6/13 04:51 PM, johnfn wrote:
At 11/6/13 01:14 PM, JacobCadmus wrote:
At 11/6/13 11:08 AM, CeeeX wrote:

I'm starting to think it would be really fun to have a contest to see who could make the best song with the worst

Everyones Project files would have to be checked though. You can't trust anyone around here.

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-07 10:01:58 Reply

At 11/7/13 01:47 AM, JacobCadmus wrote: DSK orchestral freeware plugins may actually sound even worse than Edirol. I just might give those a try. hopefully I can replicate that PS1-era mockup sound. ^_^

:/ Because they're free. Edirol is a paid VST, which makes it worse than any free orchestra VST/library.

I actually like the DSK guitar and pipa, really cool stuff.

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-07 12:05:22 Reply

Actually, I gave a deep thought to this subject, but I think that there isn't really a worst VST plugins.

Ok, FL Slayer does fail when it comes to mimicking the electric guitar, but that doesn't mean necessarily that you can't do cool stuff with it ;P


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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-07 12:24:09 Reply

At 11/7/13 12:05 PM, CeeeX wrote: Actually, I gave a deep thought to this subject, but I think that there isn't really a worst VST plugins.

Ok, FL Slayer does fail when it comes to mimicking the electric guitar, but that doesn't mean necessarily that you can't do cool stuff with it ;P

Nothing possibly *sounds* horrible when the right tweaking is done to it I guess -- heck, I love FL Slayer -- but there are some sounds which can't be used for their original purpose (or intended purpose, what have you).


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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-07 13:14:22 Reply

EWQL's libraries are definitely up there among some of the worst. From a cost-value perspective, they're not bad as an introduction to orchestral mock-up software, but the PLAY Engine is presumably the leading cause of death amongst workstation-based composers and orchestrators.

Having said that, I still use the woodwinds in Symphonic Orchestra, and I'll continue to use the brass until I can afford Cinebrass Pro. The percussion in that library is also still very useful. Oh, and those percussive contrabass slaps!

It's not even that the samples are all that terrible. (Although some of them certainly are. I'm looking at you, solo instruments and 10 viola patches.) The ingrained reverb limits their usefulness, though, especially when blending with other libraries with dry samples where I can add my own reverb.

I do like some of their libraries - Gypsy is good, and Pianos' Bosendorfer is superb - but the PLAY Engine does everything it can to fight you every step of the way, and make your entire experience as awkward and un-smooth as possible.

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Response to Worst VST instrument plugins? 2013-11-07 13:15:01 Reply

At 11/7/13 10:01 AM, Elitistinen wrote:
At 11/7/13 01:47 AM, JacobCadmus wrote: DSK orchestral freeware plugins may actually sound even worse than Edirol. I just might give those a try. hopefully I can replicate that PS1-era mockup sound. ^_^
/ Because they're free. Edirol is a paid VST, which makes it worse than any free orchestra VST/library.

Price means nothing in this thread.