Isn't traditional belief...

[Suprememessage]

...the cause of every problem we face socially? When I say traditional belief, I mean things like racism, religious persecution, and and gender-roles. If people didn't cling to these traditions, maybe we'd be more prone to accept one another, and being more accepting is definitely logically the better choice, so this leads us to question why people won't accept the obvious. This makes me wonder why humans are so resistant to attempts to abandon these obsolete and harmful concepts.

I'm up for a serious discussion on why people still stick to these beliefs, even when they do nothing but harm society.

I'm curious to hear your point of view on this, NG.

[Entice]

At 10/25/13 04:13 PM, Suprememessage wrote: I'm curious to hear your point of view on this, NG.

I completely agree that is the case right now. Social conservatism is easily the worst ideology that still has it's roots firmly in place in the civilized world.

The problem I have with using the word "traditional" is that it changes over time. Like in 200 years traditional beliefs might embrace things like homosexuality that are far from traditional now. That's completely beside the point though, I know

[supergandhi64]

instead of always antagonizing each other we should tolerate & accept each others differences & respect that we're all different individuals with our own hopes & dreams

--supergandhi64

[Entice]

At 10/25/13 04:18 PM, supergandhi64 wrote: instead of always antagonizing each other we should tolerate & accept each others differences & respect that we're all different individuals with our own hopes & dreams

--supergandhi64

Go back to your ultra-religious intolerant persona it was a lot more funny than this nice one

[generalwinter]

I'm up for a serious discussion on why people still stick to these beliefs, even when they do nothing but harm society.

Depends on how you view "harming society", in the minds of many radicals their beliefs and the converting of others to their belief system are actually "improving society". People stick to them largely because they will be ostracized by their friends/family/society if they do not. And in a society where you don't encounter people of other societies often, perhaps for your entire life, it would be hell to live as an outcast. Also, the proposal that one should simply leave the society is not really feasible for many.

[supergandhi64]

At 10/25/13 04:21 PM, Entice wrote:

At 10/25/13 04:18 PM, supergandhi64 wrote: instead of always antagonizing each other we should tolerate & accept each others differences & respect that we're all different individuals with our own hopes & dreams

--supergandhi64

Go back to your ultra-religious intolerant persona it was a lot more funny than this nice one

if anything i've posted could make me out to be intolerant or "ultra-religious" then there's been a failure to communicate . . . whether it was misinterpretation or just poor conveyance on my part doesn't matter since i'll clear up any misunderstanding right now. the first misconception i'd like to get rid of is that i take time out of my day to write these posts in an effort to amuse people rather than to enlighten people. the second is that i'm anything but tolerant when i time & time again turn the other cheek towards detractors in thanks only to my infinite patience. i hold a very profound belief that humans should strive to get along instead of working against each other & that if we make an effort together then as humans we can accomplish a lot of great achievements. in the future if you have any remarks related to me instead of the topic at hand i'd prefer you send me a private message instead of making unrelated posts on the forum

--supergandhi64

[Insanctuary]

At 10/25/13 04:13 PM, Suprememessage wrote: I'm curious to hear your point of view on this, NG.

One of the most intriguing things that have made me look into something more than I usually do, is how something inside of our minds renders people into something we cannot recognize physically, because we cannot recognize them mentally. Racism, as I have long pondered the whole MLK Jr. ordeal, is something interesting, in that all of us have a black and white in us.

[Ron-Geno]

At 10/25/13 04:13 PM, Suprememessage wrote: ...the cause of every problem we face socially?

I will kindly disagree.

The root of the problems are radicals who refuse to work together/compromise with people who are different.
Though you'll usually see traditionalist fill the radical role, some of the newer ways of thinking also hold their loud-speaking radicals who make it difficult for anyone to like the group they represent.

Radicals have their place in this crazy life. However, as a country, we need to learn to work together, compromise, and get things done for the greater good of our country. At the worst case, we'd mind our own business and not force ideals upon each other.

There are traditions that are good and bad, and there are people that do a good job or a bad job practicing those traditions. However, that's not the root of the problem; radicals are.

[stafffighter]

So people only fear what's different, covet what belongs to others and have differing personal values because of tradition. That's good to know.

[Suprememessage]

At 10/25/13 07:19 PM, stafffighter wrote: So people only fear what's different, covet what belongs to others and have differing personal values because of tradition. That's good to know.

Actually, pretty much. Tradition encompasses thoughts from time when what's different meant what's dangerous, what's not ours should be, and we all have our own teams.

Because tradition is based on emotion and not on logic.

[stafffighter]

At 10/25/13 07:59 PM, Suprememessage wrote:
Tradition encompasses thoughts from time when what's different meant what's dangerous, what's not ours should be, and we all have our own teams.

No, The evolutionary process taught us to recognize and adapt to predators, food animals and lots of other good stuff. Greed, or pressure from lack creates jealousy and yeah, social animals will always have their own teams. Seeking definition does for better or worse involve definition through exclusion. Go yell at Darwin or God, I don't care which. I really, really do not care which. Not having that argument.

Because tradition is based on emotion and not on logic.

So people are imperfect because of emotion. Not a new idea, Locutus

[Ron-Geno]

At 10/25/13 04:13 PM, Suprememessage wrote: I'm up for a serious discussion on why people still stick to these beliefs, even when they do nothing but harm society.

Assuming that all of them are bad...

Look, obv one of these traditions is bugging you personally.

But your problem isn't the tradition.