Zoophilia

[Entice]

Should be legal everywhere.

People either assume that sex with a non-human animal is necessarily sadistic (when in fact people that do that are least common type of zoophile) or go on some tirade about how animals cannot give consent.

So? So long as they aren't raped (physically forced into sex) or treated cruelly there's no evidence that have any sort of negative reaction to sex. Why would they be any more scarred by it than a sexually mature human would?

Consent? I count an animal choosing to hump someone or attempting to initiate sex in other ways (which many pets will do without any training) as consent. Is it cruelty when a dog humps someone's leg? Anyone that has owned a pet knows that they are clearly capable of forming affectionate bonds with people. A dog sees you as another dog.

Sure, you could make the argument that they don't really have a choice in who they live with. Animals aren't people though. We don't ask them for consent for anything else. We literally buy them for entertainment and castrate them for convenience. One the big scale of things, engaging in sex with animals is consensual, pleasurable sex is actually probably the most positive things people actually do for them.

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Even if you've closed your mind to all the above ideas (I can already see people spewing shit that does nothing to refute my arguments, since it's such a taboo). Is it really worth enforcing? Almost no one is ever arrested for bestiality. It's such a small problem that most states don't even bother to criminalize it. Who the hell does it hurt?

[Shade]

Why on earth would anyone want to fuck an animal?

[Entice]

At 10/16/13 01:50 PM, Shade wrote: Why on earth would anyone want to fuck an animal?

Is that really relevant to anything I said?

[Splats]

Meh, it's dangerous.
SERIOUSLY LOOK

[poxpower]

At 10/16/13 02:53 PM, Splats wrote: Meh, it's dangerous.
SERIOUSLY LOOK

How on earth can anyone make an entire movie out of a guy getting assfucked to death by a horse?

[24901miles]

The only cool think about Zoophilia is the way the double-o is pronounced as two independent o's. It's cool. Cool.

[aides]

At 10/16/13 01:50 PM, Shade wrote: Why on earth would anyone want to fuck an animal?

Ever been to Dundee?

[AxTekk]

Actually couldn't agree more. It's one of those laws that isn't only about punishment or harm prevention though, it's a law people have put there to try and make their society one they want to be a part of (a little like weed, incest and gay marriage). Personally, I don't have any problem with a couple farmers getting the most out of their livestock, it's just a case of whether your society as a whole minds endorsing it.

[naronic]

I agree that it should be legal, but it might take years to get there

[supergandhi64]

people who get their jollies from abusing animals are terrible. i don't care whether they're wittingly abusing animals or not . . . ignorance doesn't excuse animal abuse

--supergandhi64

[Psycho666]

Three things:

One:
There are plenty of good reasons to legally prohibit the sexual relations of humans with other animals. Though unlikely to occur, it is possible for strains of viruses to mutate and cross the species barrier. Even though the likelihood of an event is miniscule, if it were to happen, even once, we could see a new deadly STD spread itself through the population.

Two:
People like you and me should only post in General, unless we go to great lengths to find sources, prepare a full analysis, and develop serious talking points.

Three:
Quit having sex with animals. They are driven more by hormonal cycles that they cannot control. There is no consent, you are humanizing animals, and by doing so, believing, dangerously so, that they understand the consequences of their actions in a rational way.

[DeIirium]

so do you think its also ok to have sex with kids if they're "enjoying it"?

[Entice]

At 10/17/13 04:26 PM, Psycho666 wrote: One:
There are plenty of good reasons to legally prohibit the sexual relations of humans with other animals. Though unlikely to occur, it is possible for strains of viruses to mutate and cross the species barrier. Even though the likelihood of an event is miniscule, if it were to happen, even once, we could see a new deadly STD spread itself through the population.

That is a legitimate concern, and there are already STDs that can be transmitted from humans to animals. However, these laws are obviously not preventing people from having sex with animals given the small number of convictions. It'd be better to educate and use medical technology to improve safety.

A blanket ban is not preventing this at all. Just keeping it out of society's eyes so that you feel like it's being prevented.

Two:
People like you and me should only post in General, unless we go to great lengths to find sources, prepare a full analysis, and develop serious talking points.

I can joke around in General as much as I want and still be just as reasonable as anyone else here.

Three:
Quit having sex with animals. They are driven more by hormonal cycles that they cannot control. There is no consent, you are humanizing animals, and by doing so, believing, dangerously so, that they understand the consequences of their actions in a rational way.

I don't have sex with animals. The rest of your post is getting to something interesting but could you please reply directly to the arguments I made in the OP so that I don't have to repeat anything and could see what part of my reasoning you disagree with?

At 10/17/13 04:38 PM, DeIirium wrote: so do you think its also ok to have sex with kids if they're "enjoying it"?

Strawman. Children are not the same as sexually mature animals.

[Psycho666]

I'm just going to say what I think.

I think you watch animal porn, and that is what got you on this trip of yours.

"Sexually mature animals" are just animals with surges of overpowering hormones going through their bodies. They don't think, "I want to have sex with this human that is stimulating me." They are being driven to do so by their natural hormonal process.

I said it once and I'll say it again. An animal is not capable of making a conscious decision about sex in the way that a human does. It is abuse, in all forms, with exceptions for conditions of animal husbandry, wherein a masturbator may be employed to collect semen, with which to inseminate other animals with.

You are arguing for the legal rape of animals, on the grounds that you think animals are able to give consent. Consent is a human idea, it is a concept that humans made. Animals do not give consent. Humans give consent.

[Entice]

At 10/17/13 05:00 PM, Psycho666 wrote: I think you watch animal porn, and that is what got you on this trip of yours.

That's like saying that I have to be gay to support gay rights (I'm NOT implying in any way that homosexuality is equivalent to bestiality), but come on. I'm not even going to reply to accusations like this anymore.

"Sexually mature animals" are just animals with surges of overpowering hormones going through their bodies. They don't think, "I want to have sex with this human that is stimulating me."

They don't know how to articulate things in words like that, but they desire pleasure, companionship, and sex.

My response is "so what"? Does sex scar them? Hurt them? Do they think it's much different from humping your leg?

They are being driven to do so by their natural hormonal process.

Kind of like humans.

I said it once and I'll say it again. An animal is not capable of making a conscious decision about sex in the way that a human does. It is abuse, in all forms, with exceptions for conditions of animal husbandry, wherein a masturbator may be employed to collect semen, with which to inseminate other animals with.

Except from the animal's point of the view, the masturbator is providing sexual pleasure... explain what the difference is for the animal?
You're basically saying "it's not abuse if the human doesn't get something out of it".

You are arguing for the legal rape of animals, on the grounds that you think animals are able to give consent. Consent is a human idea, it is a concept that humans made. Animals do not give consent. Humans give consent.

Part of my argument is that we don't need consent. If the animal is willing to have sex that is the equivalent of consent.

[lolomfgisuck]

My dog humping my leg does not automatically mean that he wants me to hold him down while I shove my dick in his asshole.

[Entice]

At 10/17/13 05:30 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote: My dog humping my leg does not automatically mean that he wants me to hold him down while I shove my dick in his asshole.

No but it probably means that he wants to hump another part of your body

[Psycho666]

At 10/17/13 05:09 PM, Shibe wrote: Part of my argument is that we don't need consent. If the animal is willing to have sex that is the equivalent of consent.

Then part of your argument is in support of rape. Case closed. Go grow some morals.

[Entice]

At 10/17/13 06:02 PM, Psycho666 wrote: Then part of your argument is in support of rape. Case closed. Go grow some morals.

No you're severely misinterpreting every single thing I say.

[DeIirium]

At 10/17/13 04:50 PM, Shibe wrote:

At 10/17/13 04:26 PM, Psycho666 wrote:
At 10/17/13 04:38 PM, DeIirium wrote: so do you think its also ok to have sex with kids if they're "enjoying it"?

Strawman. Children are not the same as sexually mature animals.

no you're pretty much saying that if something has sexual desires its ok to have sex with them, and kids can have sexual desires. you're using the same arguments that pedohpiles use to justify raping kids.

[Proteas]

At 10/16/13 01:55 PM, Shibe wrote:

At 10/16/13 01:50 PM, Shade wrote: Why on earth would anyone want to fuck an animal?

Is that really relevant to anything I said?

Well, yeah, due in large part to it being the crux of the issue. There isn't a large enough percentage of the population demanding that zoophilia/bestiality be legalized, so there is no reason for the government to address the issue or repeal standing laws. I doubt you could even get the required number of signatures needed to have it as a local ballot initiative.

Of course, topics such as this are usually thinly veiled attacks on gay marriage, so I'm not entirely sure where you're going with this beyond mere shock value.

[Entice]

At 10/17/13 10:50 PM, Proteas wrote: Of course, topics such as this are usually thinly veiled attacks on gay marriage, so I'm not entirely sure where you're going with this beyond mere shock value.

You don't think it's possible that I genuinely believe that bestiality should be legal without an ulterior motive?

[Proteas]

At 10/17/13 10:55 PM, Shibe wrote: You don't think it's possible that I genuinely believe that bestiality should be legal without an ulterior motive?

Do you want to ask me if I believe in Santa Clause while I'm at it?

[Proteas]

At 10/17/13 11:02 PM, Proteas wrote: Do you want to ask me if I believe in Santa Clause while I'm at it?

*you're at it. God I'm tired.

No, I don't believe you're doing this without an ulterior motive.

[Entice]

At 10/17/13 11:03 PM, Proteas wrote: No, I don't believe you're doing this without an ulterior motive.

Then you're wrong.

I would have made it clear if I had another point to make.

[Proteas]

At 10/17/13 11:09 PM, Shibe wrote: I would have made it clear if I had another point to make.

So you're arguing in favor of it being legalized because... you're bored?

[BumFodder]

At 10/17/13 06:02 PM, Psycho666 wrote: Then part of your argument is in support of rape. Case closed. Go grow some morals.

At 10/17/13 11:24 PM, Proteas wrote: So you're arguing in favor of it being legalized because... you're bored?

How can some people be so ignorant and retarded?

[Splats]

At 10/16/13 03:31 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/16/13 02:53 PM, Splats wrote: Meh, it's dangerous.
SERIOUSLY LOOK

How on earth can anyone make an entire movie out of a guy getting assfucked to death by a horse?

I know right? Bonus points cause it's NOT porn!

[Proteas]

At 10/18/13 09:56 AM, BumFodder wrote: How can some people be so ignorant and retarded?

Okay, so what am I missing, here?

Can't believe my 12K post is in a topic this stupid...

[Light]

As disgusting as zoophilia is to me, my moral reasoning leads me to believe that sex between a consenting animal and a human isn't wrong. Some may contend that determining animal consent is difficult or impossible, but it really isn't. Others may claim that zoophilia is always wrong because it is disgusting or unnatural.Revulsion and the matter of what is "natural" and what is "unnatural" have no bearing on the morality of a given act.