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At 10/20/13 09:59 PM, AxTekk wrote: its more like 5% mass produced music, 95% people doing what they love getting stupid amounts of money. Do they try and make music with mass appeal? Sure. I think pretty much everyone makes their music with an audience in mind.

Who do you think is making music solely for profits?

Wow. That's actually a great point, I haven't looked at it that way.

At 10/21/13 11:06 AM, Splats wrote:

At 10/20/13 09:59 PM, AxTekk wrote: its more like 5% mass produced music, 95% people doing what they love getting stupid amounts of money. Do they try and make music with mass appeal? Sure. I think pretty much everyone makes their music with an audience in mind.

Who do you think is making music solely for profits?

Wow. That's actually a great point, I haven't looked at it that way.

Hahaha, thanks man. I mean, don't get me wrong, a large portion of its still really freaking forgettable but I think that's how its always been since music's beginning. Some ideas last, some don't, its all just melodies. We're still all singing round the campfire, we just bought some better equipment.

At 10/21/13 02:37 PM, AxTekk wrote:

At 10/21/13 11:06 AM, Splats wrote:

At 10/20/13 09:59 PM, AxTekk wrote: its more like 5% mass produced music, 95% people doing what they love getting stupid amounts of money. Do they try and make music with mass appeal? Sure. I think pretty much everyone makes their music with an audience in mind.

Who do you think is making music solely for profits?

A shit load of people, especially rappers. The most cliched and common example of anything bad about "hip hop these days" would be Weezy. Dude was raised by a music studio. From my perspective, the he exists solely as a cash generator, and he doesn't know any other life. You may be surprised (or maybe not), but there are a TON of kids being musically groomed by their parents for one single purpose- their lazy asses want to rake in the bucks. I can't listen to the radio anymore, because money is 75% of the subject matter.

We're still all singing round the campfire, we just bought some better equipment.

Wow, soooo much stuff in this thread I want to respond to...

Ax has the idea though. But I think this only proves true in a perfect world. I agree that the vast majority of musicians do what they do out of love for the craft, and of course- to be heard and appreciated. BUT- 99% of these people won't make a dent.

Pop music is dominated by beautiful people who were groomed since childhood for commercial success. Parents make them take singing lessons, enter them in beauty pageants, and push them out into the world to be noticed by labels. If they do get signed, a label will normally take them in, make them prettier, and supply them with pre-packaged hits, complete with backup dancers and ghostwritten lyrics.

... Then their music gets forced upon the masses, who proceed to consume until the next flavor of the week arrives, at which time they are instructed to repeat the process.

Lemme make it clear- Good music is good music, and I won't discriminate just because someone is popular and making money. All genres contain plenty of decent songs; I just can't stand the way that record execs go about it by explioting the youth, and MTV dictating what is good and what isn't. And I'm sorry, but the fans of ignorant-ass money rap piss me off more than anyone. Like, how can you even argue with someone who is dumb enough to proclaim that record sales & money= talent. <<< Soooooo many people take that as truth, and I think it's because the media and record labels are successfully stripping away our ability to think for ourselve, along with our damn souls.

AND THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL.

At 10/21/13 06:02 AM, AxTekk wrote:

At 10/21/13 05:51 AM, Calamaistr wrote:

At 10/20/13 09:59 PM, AxTekk wrote: Sure. I think pretty much everyone makes their music with an audience in mind.

I dont.

So if you get a review suggesting you change something you aren't bothered? You don't mix and master so your songs sound good on other people's speakers? You've never entered a music competition?

If we didn't make our music (partially) for an audience, it would beg the question why we share it and actively promote it. Wanting other people to enjoy our music is perhaps as natural and inherent as wanting to make it in the first place.

No i dont change something, i might use criticism to heart on a new track perhaps, but not for other people, only if i agree with the criticism.

I do mix and master but i mix and master to find balance between headphones and non headphones, i did make my music louder in general (louder volume) as a social thing but wouldve have cared either way.

Sharing music doesnt mean you have to make music the way someone else would like it, i share music to share myself. If that isnt to someones liking then he wont like me either.

At 10/21/13 06:04 PM, Calamaistr wrote:

At 10/21/13 06:02 AM, AxTekk wrote:

At 10/21/13 05:51 AM, Calamaistr wrote:

At 10/20/13 09:59 PM, AxTekk wrote: Sure. I think pretty much everyone makes their music with an audience in mind.

I dont.

Sharing music doesnt mean you have to make music the way someone else would like it, i share music to share myself. If that isnt to someones liking then he wont like me either.

First off-
Read that goddamned novel I just wrote up there, or I'm going to headbutt a railroad spike for wasting my time.

Secondly-
Ax isn't saying people need to "change who you are and what type of music you like to make in order to appease listeners".

From what I'm reading, he's simply saying that most musicians have an inherent desire for their work to be heard and appreciated. Which is completely true. We're entertainers at heart. And feedback helps us as musicians, whether good or bad. It's up to you if you want to take that advice or not.

Anyway, regarding the other debate going on (about commercialism/greed etc) I just broke it all down in my last comment, so check dat shit out!

Or I will cry myself to death.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16524657

I don't label my tracks on websites and so they get fewer listens. I'd rather just call it electronic music, I don't care about appealing to people who listen to the music with crappy soundcards and Sennheiser headphones.

At 10/21/13 07:48 PM, finicalprickle wrote: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16524657

I don't label my tracks on websites and so they get fewer listens. I'd rather just call it electronic music, I don't care about appealing to people who listen to the music with crappy soundcards and Sennheiser headphones.

Can we get this man an award for bravery here?