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Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 27th, 2013 @ 07:50 PM Reply

Does this have anatomy errors ? Explicit/Nude/Sensial/Erotic WARNING http://zwitterelf.tumblr.com/post/59424870855, I am getting mixed feedback, such as my haters are saying there is and my fans or supportes say there is not, so I am confused and cant draw the line on what is true or not and judgment seems to be based on me as the artist and not the work, and this has been going on since this year and its pissing me off…. I just wish to have a neutral honest opinion.

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 27th, 2013 @ 10:11 PM Reply

The body anatomy is fine but the face is all over the place. That seems to be the case with most of your work. I'd recommend you read up on facial structure.

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 27th, 2013 @ 10:31 PM Reply

The answer to your question will always be 'yes', unless you are a master anatomist with a perfectionist streak.

as for how bad yours is, its pretty bad.

so, yes. I'm happy you are at least questioning yourself though instead of mindlessly going with your fans, alot of popular people fall into that trap and never improve.


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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 27th, 2013 @ 11:30 PM Reply

I concur with Template, as I can see some issues anatomically.
The best way to deal with anatomy is to use a reference. There are hundreds of references online that you can find for these sorts of things, whether on deviantart, or posemaniacs, and they're wonderful resources.

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 27th, 2013 @ 11:38 PM Reply

At second glance the body is fairly wonky, but nowhere near the worst I've seen. God knows I've done worse. But yeah, in retrospect you're gonna want to work on anatomy in general, but I stand by that the face needs more work than anything else by far.

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 12:27 AM Reply

Anatomy errors? Of a drawing of a purple elf chick with a dick? No none at all...

elephant in the room or....
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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 12:47 AM Reply

At 8/28/13 12:27 AM, 372 wrote: Anatomy errors? Of a drawing of a purple elf chick with a dick? No none at all...
elephant in the room or....

So people aren't allowed to ask for help when you perceive their drawings as weird? I'm not into purple elf dickgirls, but OP asked for anatomical constructive criticism and anything other than that isn't our business.

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 12:59 AM Reply

At 8/28/13 12:47 AM, Jester wrote:
At 8/28/13 12:27 AM, 372 wrote:
So people aren't allowed to ask for help when you perceive their drawings as weird? I'm not into purple elf dickgirls, but OP asked for anatomical constructive criticism and anything other than that isn't our business.

Look man he asked for anatomy errors and I simply pointed one out...

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 01:23 AM Reply

the things that stand out for me are
1. arms are too long and shoulders a bit too wide
2. feet are too square and manish
3. the face needs work.
4. the boobs seem wrong .( jazza's tip worked for me with this problem . think water balloon for help with shape and weight)

i do like how you did the skin tones one this figure. hope this helps.

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 06:14 AM Reply

Thanks chaps, the responses are quite diverse as suspected, where some people see things o.k, when others do not see them O.K... I have taken note of your efforts in my next work, but I hope this is not an attack on the artist style or topic of intrest, but they are neutral perspectives based on technique.

Also I am tempted to "trace" something(wont upload it here since it was not drawn, but put it on my tumbler) and see how that gets scrutinized, which would be a buffer to test weather for sure the work is judged on skills and techniques rather than on styles and interest.

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 06:28 AM Reply

At 8/28/13 06:14 AM, zanaelf wrote: Thanks chaps, the responses are quite diverse as suspected, where some people see things o.k, when others do not see them O.K...

I don't see how the responses are all diverse. They all say that your body and face structure are wonky, and that you check out anatomy studies in the future.

I have taken note of your efforts in my next work, but I hope this is not an attack on the artist style or topic of intrest, but they are neutral perspectives based on technique.

Critiques that aren't positive about your work aren't attacks.

Also I am tempted to "trace" something(wont upload it here since it was not drawn, but put it on my tumbler) and see how that gets scrutinized, which would be a buffer to test weather for sure the work is judged on skills and techniques rather than on styles and interest.

There's no need to investigate whether their intentions are good or ill. There's only one person who commented on the content of the pic, and they didn't provide a critique.


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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 08:36 AM Reply

It's not actually all that bad anatomically speaking. I could point you in the direction of pose books and figure studies till im blue in the face and it really wouldn't be anything you haven't already heard. Heck even the guys who trace over real photos end up with weird looking anatomy some times, and that's why it is much more important that it look/feel right, rather then be right. Just like the difference between actual centering and visual centering in the design world. What I would actually recommend if you are feeling your anatomy is off but cant figure out how to fix it, is to try a more dynamic angle. Sometimes these flat straight on shots just get so stale that it's impossible to feel right about it no matter how accurate the anatomy, or dynamic the pose.


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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 08:43 AM Reply

At 8/28/13 08:36 AM, Artist-Lost wrote: It's not actually all that bad anatomically speaking.

do not listen to this,
i assure you sir or madam, it is all that bad.

if you want to make erotic stuff, you have to work on anatomy AND gestures. Its really not optional if you want your figures to look like human beings. Because if they dont look like human beings, how are we going to relate to them, or sexualize them to get off? that is the whole point of you drawing them like that, isnt it?


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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 08:51 AM Reply

At 8/28/13 08:43 AM, Template88 wrote: do not listen to this,
i assure you sir or madam, it is all that bad.

if you want to make erotic stuff, you have to work on anatomy AND gestures. Its really not optional if you want your figures to look like human beings. Because if they dont look like human beings, how are we going to relate to them, or sexualize them to get off? that is the whole point of you drawing them like that, isnt it?

I counter your sexual preference of human anatomy with Furry porn.... Sonic Furry Porn...


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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 10:39 AM Reply

At 8/28/13 06:28 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:
At 8/28/13 06:14 AM, zanaelf wrote: Thanks chaps, the responses are quite diverse as suspected, where some people see things o.k, when others do not see them O.K...
I don't see how the responses are all diverse. They all say that your body and face structure are wonky, and that you check out anatomy studies in the future.
I have taken note of your efforts in my next work, but I hope this is not an attack on the artist style or topic of intrest, but they are neutral perspectives based on technique.
Critiques that aren't positive about your work aren't attacks.
Also I am tempted to "trace" something(wont upload it here since it was not drawn, but put it on my tumbler) and see how that gets scrutinized, which would be a buffer to test weather for sure the work is judged on skills and techniques rather than on styles and interest.
There's no need to investigate whether their intentions are good or ill. There's only one person who commented on the content of the pic, and they didn't provide a critique.

Hmm, the thing is, what I have experienced in the past, I find it difficult to know what is genuine critique and what is dumb critisizing, so I would have to do some experimentation as well , so I know for 100% for sure for myself, so that ,most assumption can get eliminated from the facts. I think if anyone had a roller coaster past would would be insecure and uncertain of what is serious and what isn't. Basically I am confused with the responses, positive and negative.

At 8/28/13 08:36 AM, Artist-Lost wrote: It's not actually all that bad anatomically speaking. I could point you in the direction of pose books and figure studies till im blue in the face and it really wouldn't be anything you haven't already heard. Heck even the guys who trace over real photos end up with weird looking anatomy some times, and that's why it is much more important that it look/feel right, rather then be right. Just like the difference between actual centering and visual centering in the design world. What I would actually recommend if you are feeling your anatomy is off but cant figure out how to fix it, is to try a more dynamic angle. Sometimes these flat straight on shots just get so stale that it's impossible to feel right about it no matter how accurate the anatomy, or dynamic the pose.

Thanks ^_^

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 11:24 AM Reply

i have noticed that in newgrounds, most people are gonna give you an honest critique. especially template, when it come to anatomy. while the critiques are sometimes harsh and dont really spare your feelings, the intentions are for you to better yourself, which is positive without a doubt.

all of that to say that i would pay attention to the face and where its features lie. treat it and its features(especially the nose) more like a 3d object. this post from a useful tumblr is a perfect example http://referencesforartists.tumblr.com/post/58650611325/americanninjax-thebluefloof-sourcescited

a few other points that i can identify are that the arms are a bit long, as ones hands typically dont go far past the crotch when standing straight. it also appears that the breasts only have volume at the bottom. breasts(no matter how small) portrude from the muscular structure, so there should be evidence of that on more than just the bottom. lastly i am not sure why, but the legs are leaving something to be desired. something about the fold of the thigh and calf does not seem right, whether its in the actual drawing or in the shading.

P.S. Dont ever let your own ego get in the way of accepting a negative comment or critique. it is usually pretty easy to tell who the trolls are, and while they exist, many of us on negrounds are artists and therefore wont judge your content as much as we will judge the actual quality of the artwork. it comes off as if you already think you're the shit if you thank all of the positive comments and dismiss all of the negative and/or constructive ones.


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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 11:40 AM Reply

Depth, weight and balance are lacking in the figure.
No amount of shading can hide an artist's understanding of depth. There is no sense of overlap as the figure is drawn too orthographically. This breaks the illusion of the figure not existing in it's own given space.
The figure does not seem to be distributing it's own weight evenly as there is no sense of tension and stress.

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 04:04 PM Reply

At 8/28/13 11:24 AM, takopako wrote: i have noticed that in newgrounds, most people are gonna give you an honest critique. especially template, when it come to anatomy. while the critiques are sometimes harsh and dont really spare your feelings, the intentions are for you to better yourself, which is positive without a doubt.

all of that to say that i would pay attention to the face and where its features lie. treat it and its features(especially the nose) more like a 3d object. this post from a useful tumblr is a perfect example http://referencesforartists.tumblr.com/post/58650611325/americanninjax-thebluefloof-sourcescited

a few other points that i can identify are that the arms are a bit long, as ones hands typically dont go far past the crotch when standing straight. it also appears that the breasts only have volume at the bottom. breasts(no matter how small) portrude from the muscular structure, so there should be evidence of that on more than just the bottom. lastly i am not sure why, but the legs are leaving something to be desired. something about the fold of the thigh and calf does not seem right, whether its in the actual drawing or in the shading.

P.S. Dont ever let your own ego get in the way of accepting a negative comment or critique. it is usually pretty easy to tell who the trolls are, and while they exist, many of us on negrounds are artists and therefore wont judge your content as much as we will judge the actual quality of the artwork. it comes off as if you already think you're the shit if you thank all of the positive comments and dismiss all of the negative and/or constructive ones.

That is good to know, since I often find it difficult to tell when people are taking the piss or being genuine. Thanks for that resource, looks interesting and I +follow that tumblr blog. Then about the arm in question, is it not because its lying at an angle and not flat out on the x and y axis but on the z axis in 3d space ? Yeah I did struggle with the legs, thought i fixed them, apparently not. Thanks ^_^

At 8/28/13 11:40 AM, Cairos wrote: Depth, weight and balance are lacking in the figure.
No amount of shading can hide an artist's understanding of depth. There is no sense of overlap as the figure is drawn too orthographically. This breaks the illusion of the figure not existing in it's own given space.
The figure does not seem to be distributing it's own weight evenly as there is no sense of tension and stress.

Thanks, but I "lost" you here could you explain what you saying here please or provide some data/information i could look up and read.

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 28th, 2013 @ 04:41 PM Reply

At 8/28/13 04:04 PM, zanaelf wrote:

:Then about the arm in question, is it not because its lying at an angle and not flat out on the x and y axis but on the z axis in 3d space ? Yeah I did struggle with the legs, thought i fixed them, apparently not. Thanks ^_^

i think it is the lack of foreshortening in the arms. since the arm is coming toward us on one of the axis, it should have lost some length and increased in size.


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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 29th, 2013 @ 04:59 PM Reply

At 8/28/13 06:42 PM, Cairos wrote: Try these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z2J_ot9J00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L0AunTyz7I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMF5TtlFqzQ

Thanks ^_^

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Response to Does this have anatomy errors ? Aug. 29th, 2013 @ 05:25 PM Reply

I do apologize if I sounded like I had been blaming people for being mean, I often have communication problems, part of my mental issues, and this always gets me into trouble, which had caused the roller coaster crap I mentioned in my posts, where people think I am an asshole from how they interpreted me, no matter how hard I try to communicate.
No hard feelings I have, i was just seeing different opinions on what people see as being wrong in the artwork, and was trying to find what was general perception out of the lot and also filter out discrepencies of assumptions from the facts, as people view the world with different eyes, is something else to consider.
Thank you all for your help, It is much appreciated, I would provide help when i can to in return.
^_^