At 8/16/13 02:53 PM, Exedor wrote:
My god you still haven't given up!
Art, yes. Videos, no.
Got the point already!
Speedpaints can be cool when done right, but they're not always done right. About 6 months ago, a guy submitted a "speedpaint" that was 28 minutes long. It was removed or I'd link it. But still, speedpaints, as cool as some are, they're not animation.
Newgrounds started as a site that hosted animations and games done in Flash. While the available software has expanded beyond Flash, the fact that this site caters exclusively to animation sets it apart from others.
Allowing more speedpaints by creating a place for them encourages more of them to come in. Separating the animation from the 'movies' is an option, but it opens the floodgates for massive abuse.
Abuse like what?
I fear that the animations that people worked hard on, and were the core and heart of Newgrounds, would be eclipsed by the sheer volume of the videos that people didn't. Examples?
A child with a video camera can be a dangerous thing. When one sees this, someday, another will want to "do that too." With the automated system here on newgrounds, the constraints can easily be missed, and then abuse happens. (Yes, the file size and run-time you saw are correct.)
For every video submitted, there's that danger that someone will decide to copy them. That's great with flash. Yes, PLEASE come join us in making GOOD animations. They don't have to be perfect, but we can tell if you tried and if you didn't. I'd MUCH rather see a submission that's still not perfect, but he keeps improving and trying, than to see anything from a bored kid with a camera. (BTW, that's a 'speedpaint' ...er, speed-draw..?)
My god your so obsessed with fighting for your belief and fear of people turning this place into something else. Dude we can make rules! Rules restricting certain stuff.
Youtube accepts everything, and that's why we avoid it and spend so much of our lives here on Newgrounds. Opening the door to more videos opens the door to "Newgrounds" becoming "Newtube," and hard working animators' works being mixed in with those who didn't, those who don't, and those who can't.
You know I come here to be judged here. I find it's too easy when people just like it any how. The movie I created might have turned out okay but, you made it sound worst than it is. Anything I say now won't make a difference as any movie at it's worst will still be better than mine because I have nothing to prove it was okay(My movie didn't even get blamed, it got unpublished). You make a lot of good points and you know some did deserve it but, others I think not. None of this LIVE ACTION BIAS should even be happening. It's pointless! LIVE ACTION has been here before and have been in front pages. I no longer care about LIVE ACTION having a sense of belonging because it already belongs. It's just not spread out yet and people haven't come up with the right one that suits newgrounds but, it's going to happen. Hopefully not in the way we all fear. For kids who just film themselves any how or show a skateboard crash or anything. It could be in NG rules. For long movies we could say make it more exciting to suit an hour and not decent. Think about it!