Abc Names First Person Of Color

[TheKlown]

ABC Names First Person of Color 'Bachelor'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuJqHAAGK9Q

OMG, I can't stop laughing. I have no idea if this video is real, but if it is this is some of the funniest shit ever.

[Cynical-Charlotte]

The idea of race needs to be removed from our culture. It is far too subjective, obsolete, and misused to serve any beneficial function in society. The science community abandoned the term long ago for similar reasons. Perhaps nationality/citizenship would be a better replacement. Pride for one's heritage is understandable, but I do not believe identifying ourselves and each other by our forefathers is prudent when almost all of this can be purely speculative.

To be more specific with respect to the topic - whether or not the new 'bachelor' is 'of color' is entirely up to the viewer.

[Light]

At 8/15/13 06:54 PM, Cynical-Charlotte wrote: The idea of race needs to be removed from our culture. It is far too subjective, obsolete, and misused to serve any beneficial function in society.

In a perfect world, the concept of race wouldn't exist. But it does, and for a reason.

The science community abandoned the term long ago for similar reasons. Perhaps nationality/citizenship would be a better replacement.

It'd probably be better by only a marginal amount.

It's almost as divisive on the international stage. The whole palestinian/israeli conflict comes to mind.

Pride for one's heritage is understandable, but I do not believe identifying ourselves and each other by our forefathers is prudent when almost all of this can be purely speculative.

Wouldn't you be identifying yourself by your forefathers when you decide to embrace your heritage?

[Cynical-Charlotte]

At 8/15/13 07:25 PM, Light wrote: In a perfect world, the concept of race wouldn't exist. But it does, and for a reason.

Are you saying there are practical applications of racial categorization which would require its continued use, or that the idea of 'race' has an origin (obvious)?

Wouldn't you be identifying yourself by your forefathers when you decide to embrace your heritage?

I am emphasizing more of the need to move away from identifying others with absurdly vague labels such as 'black', 'mixed', and 'white.' There would be no simple way of categorizing people by forefathers except through nationality - this is why we should identify only with our nation of birth, and perhaps that of our grandsires, rather than arbitrary skin-tone measurements.

[Camarohusky]

At 8/15/13 07:38 PM, Cynical-Charlotte wrote: I am emphasizing more of the need to move away from identifying others with absurdly vague labels such as 'black', 'mixed', and 'white.' There would be no simple way of categorizing people by forefathers except through nationality -

While I think your goal is noble, the means is flawed.

Nationality is no better/worse a way to prejudge someone than race is. Take two Americans with deep American family lines. One from Portland and the other from rural Alabama. Will they be culturally similar? Highly unlikely.

Do the same with another set. Both at least 4th generation. Both from Atlanta. One is black and one is white. What are the chances these two people will be culturally similar in any significant way? Quite low. The change the white person to a black person and the chance that their cultures will be extremely similar jumps a significant amount. Make that person a 2nd generation, or even 1st generation, and their cultures will still be more similar than the cross race example.

In both cases the mere prejudgment of nationality misses the mark entirely. In the latter example, the people of similar race are more likely to be culturally similar.

Frankly, I don't mind prejudging. It has some serously bad side effects, but it is so ingrained in us biologically that it is a core facet of our humanity. In fact, it was largely our abilty to prejudge our surroundings that allowed us to become the dominat species on Earth. What we need to stem is not the prejudging, but rather the socially created assumptions that come along with that prejudging (Asians are smart, blacks are criminals, whites are bland and soulless, and so on.) So instead of trying to subvert our impulses we should instead control how we view and deal with them.

[Light]

At 8/15/13 07:38 PM, Cynical-Charlotte wrote:

At 8/15/13 07:25 PM, Light wrote: In a perfect world, the concept of race wouldn't exist. But it does, and for a reason.

Are you saying there are practical applications of racial categorization which would require its continued use, or that the idea of 'race' has an origin (obvious)?

The latter.

People are psychologically inclined to think about others in terms of race. Even the best of us fall prey to this stuff. Until human nature changes, which won't be for a very long time if ever, we will never abandon the concept of race.

Wouldn't you be identifying yourself by your forefathers when you decide to embrace your heritage?

I am emphasizing more of the need to move away from identifying others with absurdly vague labels such as 'black', 'mixed', and 'white.' There would be no simple way of categorizing people by forefathers except through nationality - this is why we should identify only with our nation of birth, and perhaps that of our grandsires, rather than arbitrary skin-tone measurements.

Alright.

[Korriken]

At 8/15/13 03:42 PM, TheKlown wrote: ABC Names First Person of Color 'Bachelor'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuJqHAAGK9Q

OMG, I can't stop laughing. I have no idea if this video is real, but if it is this is some of the funniest shit ever.

You owe me a screen cleaning. when the picture of the Hurricane Katrina looter showed up I imagined him being on the Bachelor, I blasted my drink all over my monitor in laughter.

I needed a good laugh today.

[Grimdalus]

At 8/15/13 07:25 PM, Light wrote:

At 8/15/13 06:54 PM, Cynical-Charlotte wrote: The idea of race needs to be removed from our culture. It is far too subjective, obsolete, and misused to serve any beneficial function in society.

In a perfect world, the concept of race wouldn't exist. But it does, and for a reason.

The science community abandoned the term long ago for similar reasons. Perhaps nationality/citizenship would be a better replacement.

It'd probably be better by only a marginal amount.

I only believe in the social idea of race. The problem is when I get accused of being racist when I'm not e.g. I am not attracted to dark skinned women.

[Cynical-Charlotte]

At 8/15/13 08:36 PM, Camarohusky wrote: In both cases the mere prejudgment of nationality misses the mark entirely. In the latter example, the people of similar race are more likely to be culturally similar.

Location and environment is intrinsic to one's behavior in culture. While certain attitudes and value systems may be passed on by the previous generation, the following will be far more influenced by their surroundings. A dark-skinned man from Baltimore will be different from a dark-skinned man in Austin not because of his appearance but because of his city. Also, there are the differences of class within those cities and comparison between them. When people distinguish 'whites' from 'blacks', what they often mean is 'upper' from 'lower' classes. Statistically, economic standing and locale is more relevant. The United States can be compared to Japan, New York to Los Angeles, NYC to Syracuse, and The Bronx to Staten Island. Culture differs depending on the regions being discussed, not the skin-tones.

My point is this: the highly subjective connotations of the term 'race' - paired with its non-correalative traits such as morality, intellect, and status - renders it an unsatisfactory method of studying the population in any serious or official inquiry. 'Race' bears no real usefulness except in etymological research and informal discussion; stricter classifications are available for any other occasion.

Frankly, I don't mind prejudging. It has some serously bad side effects, but it is so ingrained in us biologically that it is a core facet of our humanity.

There are many human 'instincts' which one must overcome if they are to be regarded as a responsible member of society. Certainly the character trait which indicates degrees of maturity is what we call 'self-control.' Refraining from the use of 'black, white, and mixed' (except when informally describing appearance) should be considered.