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At 8/4/13 01:12 PM, Revo357912 wrote: If they want more money, they should save their money and start a business or something.

BRB, starting a business with the money I made from one minimum wage job

australia's minimum wage is $15.61 while us is 7.5

australia's unemployment rate is 5.7

ZOMG 15 DOLLARS!!@@@!@! THAT WILL DESTROY DA ECONOMY OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

At 8/4/13 09:36 PM, HollowedPumkinz wrote: Shit, that's just plain fucking stupid. Then again, they're minimum wage workers, I'm not surprised.

But Revo, you really should go get a degree while you're young. You can't assume your business will last forever, it only takes one bad economic turn in your industry to send small businesses like yours packing. You're experience will only take you so far, there will be others with just as much experience and a degree backing them, and those are the people that will get hired in other Construction companies at the better positions, eventually, people like me. I'm going into Construction Engineering Tech. at the University of North Texas and when I get out, despite my loans needing to be repaid, I'll be able to have a job that pays close to what you make and I won't have nearly as many responsibilities or risks. I'll also eventually be able to hopefully land a job with a construction company that builds the big important buildings, something that a little construction company won't ever be able to do.

I'm sure you're happy now, but don't ignore the future, based on prior knowledge, you must be very good with money and planning, College would be very easy for you so long as you're persistent. Get a degree at UTSA in Construction, and strive for more out of our line of work. I'd like to see you in the field.

That's the thing though, a business is always a gamble; to be successful in it is to survive in the times of adversity.
I don't want to be the person who takes the orders, but the one who makes it.
And I don't plan on keeping this a permanent business. Heck, I'm not really spending the money I make.
I'm saving almost everything I can, so that I can reinvest it in building my own apartment complex and then retire early.
What's the point of a life where all you do is spend it working?
I'll work my share, but I'm trying my best to make it so that I don't have to work until I can't no more and can still travel the world.
When that time comes, if that time comes, I'll go to college not to get a job, but simply to learn, which is what higher education should be for.

Life's too short to spend it all for nothing.

At 8/4/13 11:29 PM, captainlolz wrote: australia's minimum wage is $15.61 while us is 7.5

australia's unemployment rate is 5.7

ZOMG 15 DOLLARS!!@@@!@! THAT WILL DESTROY DA ECONOMY OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Isn't the cost of living in australia stupidly expensive?

At 8/5/13 12:48 AM, All-American-Badass wrote:

Isn't the cost of living in australia stupidly expensive?

no it isn't health care is free in australia meaning the cost of living is automatically lower

HAHAHA, the morons want 14 dollars an hour for a burger flipping job that doesn't take anyone with any skills to do. Anyone can work at that job, it's usually meant for teens.

At 8/4/13 11:17 PM, Entice wrote:

At 8/4/13 01:12 PM, Revo357912 wrote: If they want more money, they should save their money and start a business or something.

BRB, starting a business with the money I made from one minimum wage job

Yeah, sorry you're not smart enough to work your way up to the top and that you have no other skills other than flipping Burgers for a living. You know the construction industry is always looking to hire.

At 8/4/13 11:29 PM, captainlolz wrote: australia's minimum wage is $15.61 while us is 7.5

australia's unemployment rate is 5.7

ZOMG 15 DOLLARS!!@@@!@! THAT WILL DESTROY DA ECONOMY OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Dumb ass, things cost more in Australia and that is why their minimum wage is higher.

Sometimes I wonder if TheKlown was born with an extra chromosome or something.

Well there are a lot of jobs out there that require little to no work (just sitting on your ass on a computer all day making phone calls) that pay well over $20 an hour. Fast food jobs require much more work and are much more stressful. The problem is, most fast food joints are greedy scumbags that would rather hire shitty employees for less pay than quality employees for more pay, just for their own budget.

At 8/5/13 01:47 AM, captainlolz wrote:

At 8/5/13 12:48 AM, All-American-Badass wrote:

Isn't the cost of living in australia stupidly expensive?

no it isn't health care is free in australia meaning the cost of living is automatically lower

Tell that to Europe, based off House Hunters international a 1000 sq ft. house with hardly any land there is like $200k. $200k here in parts of the US will get you a 2000 sq foot house on a couple acres.

At 8/5/13 03:12 AM, TheKlown wrote: Yeah, sorry you're not smart enough to work your way up to the top and that you have no other skills other than flipping Burgers for a living. You know the construction industry is always looking to hire.

Yeah I heard nothing's better than looking for a construction job right after a housing crash

Jesus christ.

I agree that the demand for $15 / hour is a bit excessive perhaps, but I can't imagine <$15,000 per year is enough to live off if you got a family to feed. A demand for a raise of the minimum wage sounds no less than reasonable to me considering the current standards in the US.

Anyway, I can only think that they're asking this much in hopes of getting at least a slight raise.

At 8/5/13 01:47 AM, captainlolz wrote:

At 8/5/13 12:48 AM, All-American-Badass wrote:

Isn't the cost of living in australia stupidly expensive?

no it isn't health care is free in australia meaning the cost of living is automatically lower

Health care is free here if you work for a job that has a certain amount of employees in it. Your health care is shit btw as I soon discovered from being there and the cost of living is grossly expensive. No, I do not wish to spend 30 dollars on a pack of Coca Cola. I refuse to spend 10 bucks a pound for hamburger meat. AND I WILL NOT SPEND 40 DOLLARS ON A SINGLE MASCARA. Your country was the most expensive country I every spent time in.

Sydneys minimum wage is about 22 an hour. That sounds great...if homes there weren't a million dollars for a dump. And that's for a small condo. I was in multiple other cities and it was still just as expensive if not maybe a buck or two less for the same product. Your country may be full of wonderfully polite folk which I adore but the cost of living in Australia is crazy. Even Mcdonalds was a costly 12 dollars. Here it would be 3 bucks to get a full meal and I easily meet your Minimum wage standards here.

At 8/4/13 01:37 PM, fuzzum111 wrote:

At 8/4/13 01:23 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: Yeah getting paid $15/hr to flip burgers/cashiering/deepfrying is just stupid, if a fast food restaurant wants to do that that's fine but they better have the best quality stuff not the crap burger king and mcdonalds have. I worked at Arby's and even during the lunch rush by no means was exhausting work, hectic yes, but not exhausting.

Funnily enough I worked for arbys too, we had hectic lunch rushes but it was never back breaking. Not to mention, it's not difficult work just mass production.

however, I said this is a different thread, raising worker wages does no one any good.

1) You raise their wages to $10-15/hr

2) They fire -everyone- except a skeleton crew to run things.

3) The prices of their items goes sky high. Were talking $6-7 simple burgers and nearly $10 "big items" And thats the sandwich cost.

4) Things like the "dollar menu" disappear overnight.

No one wants to buy fast food becuase it's outrageously expensive to eat AND no fast food wants to hire anyone becuase of insane wage costs.

The workers feel like entitled shits, and I sorta don't blame them, the work sucks. They want their shitty, anyone can do it job to pay well becuase they can't make better for themselves. Not that there are tons of jobs out there.

Not only that, but as I've said before, in the eyes of the government, we as the 99% majority, are supposed to be poor. Make just enough money, at our annoying jobs, to buy food from said jobs, and repeat the cycle.

This isn't entirely true.

I'm a software programmer for a drafting company - without a college education mind you, and I make more than enough to eat, pay rent, pay car, and save some because I'm just a scrooge that way.

There are plenty of people in this country who are simply struggling to get by.

There are plenty of people who want to get a better job but simply cannot afford to quit and find another one (finding a job takes time - and that time could be the difference between having a shitty roof over your head or no roof at all.)

Unfortunately, however; there are two sides to this coin.

Fast Food jobs are menial, simple, and require little to no thought and given the scale of the work. They have little to no responsibility.

If I fuck up at my job, for example, it takes at the bare minimum of a good hunk of manhours (which cost money, big money) or thousands of dollars in screwed up materials, and MORE man hours to remove said fuck up, and then fix it. So needless to say, responsibility in ones work is a big factor in all this.

If someone at McDonalds fucks up, they take 5-10 minutes, make another order. At the absolute worst, 10~ dollars gets wasted. WORST CASE.

Also, there are plenty of people who don't want to aspire to anything. They're content with working at McDonalds and looking for any handouts that exist in that respect. These people in particular hold real detriment to people who honestly work really hard to get by.

Just my two-cents.

At 8/5/13 02:40 PM, Entice wrote:

At 8/5/13 03:12 AM, TheKlown wrote: Yeah, sorry you're not smart enough to work your way up to the top and that you have no other skills other than flipping Burgers for a living. You know the construction industry is always looking to hire.

Yeah I heard nothing's better than looking for a construction job right after a housing crash

Eh, there never really was one in Texas or Wyoming or certain other states. it slowed down, but certainly didn't stop. If anything, it's booming over here, there's probably more work than there are workers in that area of work.

At 8/5/13 05:57 PM, Revo357912 wrote: Eh, there never really was one in Texas or Wyoming or certain other states. it slowed down, but certainly didn't stop. If anything, it's booming over here, there's probably more work than there are workers in that area of work.

Honestly, I agree that you can probably find a better job if you work in fast food. They're all dead ends though. Construction, retail, all of it. Your only real bet is military (which is out if you have any sort of criminal record) or school (which is probably out unless you can get gov't aid or good loans). You can get lucky and work your way up somewhere but it's just retarded to claim that everyone who starts out in fast food can work their way out of being poor.

At 8/5/13 06:02 PM, Entice wrote:

At 8/5/13 05:57 PM, Revo357912 wrote: Eh, there never really was one in Texas or Wyoming or certain other states. it slowed down, but certainly didn't stop. If anything, it's booming over here, there's probably more work than there are workers in that area of work.

Honestly, I agree that you can probably find a better job if you work in fast food. They're all dead ends though. Construction, retail, all of it. Your only real bet is military (which is out if you have any sort of criminal record) or school (which is probably out unless you can get gov't aid or good loans). You can get lucky and work your way up somewhere but it's just retarded to claim that everyone who starts out in fast food can work their way out of being poor.

Well, this dead end is turning out great for me so far.
If anything, it seems that the end of it is getting farther.
I think if you work in construction (still a better job), you can still do something since you not only earn more money that you can save up, but can then start your own little small company with the experience you gain and make more.

At 8/4/13 09:35 PM, Ron-Geno wrote: I live in a place that's $669/month. Apartment. Pretty nice only because of where it's close too and the people that tend to stay here (next to a military instillation and a college campus, and most people here are either military or students).
Utils come out to around $80 for power(only because I use AC) and $30ish for water. Everything else is covered in the rent.

It's worth pointing out that the OP said a minimum wage worker would have $155 left over; with your more realistic estimates of cheap living you'd be $25 in the red every month.

I work in fast food, and I can tell you it's a shitty job. Long hours, hectic workplace, customers bitching that their three dollar order wasn't the best thing they've ever had and trying to get something for free, and at the end of the day, yes, I am very exhausted. It's simple work, but the amount of it to be done, not to mention the time pressure with people waiting for food, makes it difficult.

That being said, $15 dollars an hour is quite excessive. I make $7.25 an hour, and I'm happy to get that. Granted, I'm a high school student who doesn't have to pay his own way yet, but I don't think asking for $15 an hour is reasonable for this job. You could go higher than $7.25, but not more than double that, Jesus Christ.

I don't like the huge gap between the upper class and lower and middle classes either, but you have to be realistic about the work you're doing and the pay you're receiving.

At 8/4/13 01:12 PM, Revo357912 wrote:

Heck, if I was the owner or manager, I would fire them all just to show them how many people are glad to at least be able to make money/ have a job, especially in this economy.

That's all cool and fine and all, but without any employees, let alone trained, experienced employees who know how to conduct your business, you will fucking fall on your face for weeks, lose a shit ton of money and customers and fuck the fuck up.

YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IF YOU DID THAT

Truth

You DO need skilled (not geniuses, but well-trained individuals) workers to run a fast food business.

I work at one. Alone. I am the only fucking employee to work my shift when I work. I do know, you need at least one capable, intelligent person to actually conduct your business correctly.

Yeah, $15 is more than a fast food worker ought to reasonably demand (Yes, I acknowledge that everything I say is biased by experience and is an OPINION), but the $7.86 or whatever the fuck the minimum wage is where I live is not nearly enough to make the work worth it. However, the state of the nation is such that what I work for is what I can get, for what I am doing, and there's nothing much more I can do about it but generate a new skill which qualifies me for better work, or, also, become some kind of amazing visual/linguistic/musical artist for whom people will pay.

At 8/5/13 06:16 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 8/4/13 09:35 PM, Ron-Geno wrote: I live in a place that's $669/month. Apartment. Pretty nice only because of where it's close too and the people that tend to stay here (next to a military instillation and a college campus, and most people here are either military or students).
Utils come out to around $80 for power(only because I use AC) and $30ish for water. Everything else is covered in the rent.

It's worth pointing out that the OP said a minimum wage worker would have $155 left over; with your more realistic estimates of cheap living you'd be $25 in the red every month.

See for yourself how cheap rent is here then (all bills paid at these places)
http://www.moveforfree.com/apartments/texas/houston-all-bill s-paid.html

And not all of these are, but they are super cheap instead
http://www.apartmentlist.com/tx/houston?sort=price-ascending

At 8/5/13 06:39 PM, Revo357912 wrote: And not all of these are, but they are super cheap instead
http://www.apartmentlist.com/tx/houston?sort=price-ascending

Just because your particular area has cheap rents does not mean that everywhere else in the US has cheap rents or that it is possible for someone to not be in poverty on the US' minimum wage. There are a total of 11 in your area; I'm sure there are more minimum wage employees looking for someone to live in the surrounding area.

And if all the burger flippers from the city went to Houston Texas and took up your apartments, the price of rent would go up and nobody in the city would be able to get a burger.

Also the cost of living also involves times when your vacuum cleaner breaks or your car needs a repair or you need a new sofa or some new shoes or your friends want to go drinking or it's Christmas. Which will be a catastrophe if you manage to eke by with $100 leisure money every month. Which you wouldn't even be able to do. I spend more than $100 on leisure and random expenses every week and I don't even do much.

At 8/5/13 06:53 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 8/5/13 06:39 PM, Revo357912 wrote: And not all of these are, but they are super cheap instead
http://www.apartmentlist.com/tx/houston?sort=price-ascending

Just because your particular area has cheap rents does not mean that everywhere else in the US has cheap rents or that it is possible for someone to not be in poverty on the US' minimum wage. There are a total of 11 in your area; I'm sure there are more minimum wage employees looking for someone to live in the surrounding area.

And if all the burger flippers from the city went to Houston Texas and took up your apartments, the price of rent would go up and nobody in the city would be able to get a burger.

I know, read before-hand. I admitted that not everywhere in the US the rent is the same.
Also, did you even see the other link with apartments at under 300$?
And those were only two links. You keep looking around here and you can find more apartments that are also cheap, and san antonio is the same.

Also, you have a point tht if more people came, prices would go up, but so would construction jobs, which in my case would be a good thing. We have a lot of land here in Texas, so I think that's why construction is good and property cheap.

At 8/5/13 06:58 PM, Earfetish wrote: Also the cost of living also involves times when your vacuum cleaner breaks or your car needs a repair or you need a new sofa or some new shoes or your friends want to go drinking or it's Christmas. Which will be a catastrophe if you manage to eke by with $100 leisure money every month. Which you wouldn't even be able to do. I spend more than $100 on leisure and random expenses every week and I don't even do much.

$100 a month on leisure and dicking around? Kind of a lot imo, I've always been kind of a minimalist, so I can easily get by with what I only consider to be the bare essentials.

One thing that always perplexes me is that everyone complains they don't have enough money, yet a lot of people are more fixated with shit that they do NOT honestly fucking need.

If you can afford it, good. Fine, go spend your money till your hearts content. Just don't wanna hear you bitch when you have no more money.

If you can't resonably afford a $90/month cellphone just to have an iPhone, then stop being retarded and don't fucking get it . You do not NEED to be able to play Angry Birds or have your text messages wrapped in a shiny green/blue bubble.

If you're out there and actually barely getting by and not being fucking retarded with your money. Then all of my best wishes and admirations.

But some people are just fucking RETARDED with money.

e.g. If you have a Cashback Credit Card and you're keeping a balance on it that carries month-to-month. Then you're fucking doing it wrong.

:endrant