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At 8/4/13 03:14 PM, Sensationalism wrote:

At 8/4/13 01:01 PM, Revo357912 wrote:

If it's an adult female having sex with an 11 year old boy that keeps willingly going over, it's not her fault, he liked it.

Nope, if it was the other way around, I would still say the same.
The only difference would be that people would be even angrier, which makes no sense since the situation is the same. If anything, maybe the girl would be taking of the situation more since girls develop sexually at an even earlier age.
It's just strange to me that he says nothing for months until the woman ends up pregnant.

Because of people like you who would blame him and tell him to quit being such a sissy, he must have liked it.

That's not logical at all.
1) I don't think people really knew about their relationship to start with.
2) I doubt if you poke someone with a push pin and call them a sissy their gonna start liking it. Hiding their pain, maybe, but not liking it, and certainly not going back to get poked again.

Because when you go though something like that you feel immense shame and guilt. Because it's really hard to admit out loud and embarrassing to tell someone that you let that happen to you. You have no idea what was going through his head.

And neither do you, therefore still a weak argument.

Even though he kept going to the source (to see his friends) he may have been trying to do different things or wear different clothes while there to keep her away from him.

To start with, it was one friend. I'm not sure if you had friends before, but it's not like they can't come to you either.
And in this case, it's not like they didn't see each other as well, since they went to the same school.

And nothing worked. And then finally he knew there was nothing he would be able to do and he needed help so he finally told. Maybe the pregnancy was a push to get him able to speak out. But I don't see your point of view being viable AT ALL.

So, you don't see it viable at all that it is not possible for a horny kid to enjoy the sex at all and to maybe in part come back for it as well?
I'm not saying he went over there saying "ohhh yea, Ima get some today!"
I'm saying he was seduced and manipulated (and that is why she should be punished), but isn't a saint since, at the moment considering what is known, I consider there to be a good possibility that he liked what he was doing, and may have even known what it was seeing how everything is sexualized these days.

I'm speaking from some experience too. At my old school, there was a boy who was doing it with a teacher. Of course, the law screwed her over (no pun intended) but here's the thing:

That boy, who was our friend, before any of this happened, said he would like to do her (he wasn't the only one)
He made a bet he could with the other boys
When he did, he bragged about it (that's how the rumour spread)
And when the investigation came about, he acted like a saint and played innocent, like it wasn't his fault at all.
(she plead guilty btw, so it wasn't just a rumour).

So would you tell me then, knowing this, that my old middle school friend was truly innocent 100% of the way?

At 8/4/13 03:14 PM, Sensationalism wrote:

If you get a girl drunk and you're sober, legally she can say you raped her, she had impaired judgment.

how do you "get" another person drunk?

I thought maybe the OP was like 15, but no he's 20

Look at an 11-year-old boy. Then look at a 39-year-old woman. Maybe talk to an 11-year-old and a 39-year-old. Doing so should make it completely obvious that a 39-year-old woman is entirely responsible for fucking an 11-year-old boy and that the 11-year-old boy is a child who is incapable of consenting to sex. With a 39-year-old woman.

You're 20. You should have enough wits to understand that the 11-year-old was repeatedly raped. That you do not understand that reveals certain things about your maturity. If you cannot understand that an 11-year-old can't consent to sex with a 39-year-old woman, I hope you never take care of a child.

nothing like just shouting from the sidelines at anyone who even dare ask the difficult questions, eh sensationalism

At 8/4/13 03:14 PM, Sensationalism wrote:

Ummmm no. Getting horny does not mean that you are ready to have sex, you future rapist.

im a rapist because i would assume i some got horny they'd be wanting to have sex?

Sure, I was scared to do it which meant I didn't want to do it.

again, not the same thing

Also I did not find anyone I wanted to do it with. I didn't have sex until I was ready.

Before that I was more than happy only having sex with myself and had no desire to have sex with anyone else. Like now if I get horny I want to fuck my SO. If some random guy comes by and claims I'm ready for sex so he should fuck me the answer is OH HELLLL NO!

alright good for you
some people dont just want to fuck their SO and be prudes

I think it's actually all his fault for having a boner.

At 8/4/13 03:45 PM, Natick wrote: nothing like just shouting from the sidelines at anyone who even dare ask the difficult questions, eh sensationalism

Are there any difficult questions about whether or not the 11-year-old holds responsibility?

At 8/4/13 03:57 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 8/4/13 03:45 PM, Natick wrote: nothing like just shouting from the sidelines at anyone who even dare ask the difficult questions, eh sensationalism

Are there any difficult questions about whether or not the 11-year-old holds responsibility?

Not at all, he's obviously guilty and should get the electric chair right after a good spanking.

At 8/4/13 03:48 PM, Slint wrote: I think it's actually all his fault for having a boner.

My first thoughts were along these lines, he had to have had a raging boner for anything substantial to occur or else they would just be rubbing up against each other. And after thinking about it he couldn't have been soft because when youre 11 you dont have length to spare and penetration with a flaccid preteen dick would be near impossible

At 8/4/13 03:57 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 8/4/13 03:45 PM, Natick wrote: nothing like just shouting from the sidelines at anyone who even dare ask the difficult questions, eh sensationalism

Are there any difficult questions about whether or not the 11-year-old holds responsibility?

i was thinking about the more difficult questions of consent, drunkenness and double-standards that some people have skimmed on in here

I get it Revo, you don't understand rape or the thoughts a victim has or why they might get abused more than once, why they'd go back to the place if they didn't want it.

I do.

Go ahead and think you won because I don't want to talk about this anymore, I feel physical ill over your victim blaming and pro pedophilia mentality.

At 8/4/13 04:56 PM, Sensationalism wrote: I get it Revo, you don't understand rape or the thoughts a victim has or why they might get abused more than once, why they'd go back to the place if they didn't want it.

I do.

Go ahead and think you won because I don't want to talk about this anymore, I feel physical ill over your victim blaming and pro pedophilia mentality.

How the heck am I blaming the victim?
By saying he may have had a natural, normal response to physical stimuli?
I had a friend who was molested by her uncle, and guess what, she actually tried her best to avoid her uncle!
She never once went to an area he was in for any reason whenever she could avoid it.
And how is this pro-pedophilia?
By stating that science shows that humans are not innocent angels at the age of 10-13?

If you do not want to continue, that is fine, and I will respect it mostly because I think your emotions are affecting you response to the subject, and I understand how that can make you uncomfortable and biased.

However, do not think having a negative experience allows you to live in ignorance, or avoid reality, forever,
for everyone has their own crux to carry, and some more than others.

At 8/4/13 05:06 PM, Revo357912 wrote: How the heck am I blaming the victim?

"Was it against his will?
That, is where I say maybe not.
I get the feeling he enjoyed it, and although he was seduced by her initially, that he didn't exactly avoid it, and I find it strange for him to confess until she got pregnant.
So I don't think he's 100% innocent"

The thread title, "Is the 11 year old innocent?"

"I'm saying he was seduced and manipulated (and that is why she should be punished), but isn't a saint since, at the moment considering what is known, I consider there to be a good possibility that he liked what he was doing, and may have even known what it was seeing how everything is sexualized these days."

"So would you tell me then, knowing this, that my old middle school friend was truly innocent 100% of the way?"

You're talking about an 11-year-old and saying he is not innocent, that he is to blame.

By saying he may have had a natural, normal response to physical stimuli?

No, you are blaming him. Of course people have normal responses to physical stimuli, however this is the first time in the whole thread you have made this point. The rest of the time you have been saying he is culpable.

You are the one being ignorant to the reality of the situation. Next time you encounter an 11-year-old child, remember that you said someone of their age was somewhat responsible for being abused by a 39-year-old.

Damn, kids have sperm at 11 ? She must have been super desperate to go that low in age

At 8/4/13 05:06 PM, Revo357912 wrote: How the heck am I blaming the victim?
By saying he may have had a natural, normal response to physical stimuli?

I dont think you even know what you have been typing

What 34 year old woman would expect an 11 year old boy to competently pull out EVERY TIME?
If you're going to be letting adolescents cum in your pussy, don't be some irresponsible bitch and just buy some fucking birth control.

Doesn't matter, it's the woman's fault. Children are manipulative so if she seduced him the first time and he liked it, of course he'd want to feel that feeling again. However, she fucking had sex with a child multiple times. So yeah, she's in the wrong in this instance.

At 8/3/13 05:16 PM, Revo357912 wrote: 2) boys that age tend to be pretty horny.

At 11? Are you crazy? I didn't even start to think about it until I was 13, and that's still considered a very young age.

At 8/4/13 05:06 PM, Revo357912 wrote: If you do not want to continue, that is fine, and I will respect it mostly because I think your emotions are affecting you response to the subject, and I understand how that can make you uncomfortable and biased.

smooth moves revo357912 . . . at first i figured you were just being ridiculous & unable to grasp the gravity of what you're talking about but now i'm genuinely wondering what the f*ck is wrong with you

--supergandhi64

At 8/5/13 04:09 AM, mothballs wrote:

At 8/3/13 05:16 PM, Revo357912 wrote: 2) boys that age tend to be pretty horny.

At 11? Are you crazy? I didn't even start to think about it until I was 13, and that's still considered a very young age.

My cousin had sex with a 15 year old at ten.

My neighbor we found out got a 14 year old pregnant at 10.

Most of my friends knew about this stuff by 8 or 9 (knew, not did anything).

How about you respond to my accusation that you're blaming the victim, and my quotes that prove such? That you're partially blaming an 11-year-old for being molested and saying they hold some responsibility?

Sex drive at 11 is minimal at best. You know what the difference is between your 10-year-old and 14-year-old friend (14-year-old may well be a predator, 10 is incredibly young for a 14-year-old) and this story? This story involves a 34-year-old and an 11-year-old.

At 8/5/13 06:12 PM, Earfetish wrote: How about you respond to my accusation that you're blaming the victim, and my quotes that prove such? That you're partially blaming an 11-year-old for being molested and saying they hold some responsibility?

Sex drive at 11 is minimal at best. You know what the difference is between your 10-year-old and 14-year-old friend (14-year-old may well be a predator, 10 is incredibly young for a 14-year-old) and this story? This story involves a 34-year-old and an 11-year-old.

No, the 10 year old neighbor boy is the one who bonked and impregnated the 14 year old. He took the initiative, not her.

I'm just saying it is possible, and if that is the case, then yes, I am partially blaming him, just not fully blaming him (not saying "omg he totally went for dat azz"). I just find it strange that it took so long for him to say something.
And the words he was quoted saying, he sounded more mature than it seems. I believe they were along the lines of "Okay, I know this is wrong and it needs to stop". They weren't words that someone who doesn't know what's going on would sound like, at least to me, but someone who knew what they were doing is bad but does it anyway, like when an underage kid drinks or takes a smoke.
This also means I believe kids are capable of being much more mature and knowledgeable than what Adults give them credit for.

At 11, the kid doesn't yet know whether what he's doing is dangerous or not.

He can not consent if he isnt old enough thats called statutory rape. Also he is still prepuberty so saying there horny is off . If a man rapes a woman and she becomes arroused that doesnt mean she is suddenly liking it or wonting it to happen.

At 8/4/13 06:34 AM, Makakaov wrote: If puberty starts at age of 11, there's something wrong with your body.

I started puberty at age 11, and there is nothing wrong with my body. Some people are "early bloomers" and others are "Late Bloomers". Many kids start puberty in the fourth grade.

Dude, the mother fucker got raped by a woman three+ times his age.

I don't care if he though he wanted it or not, he was raped.

She, sick fucking slut, fucked and ELEVEN YEAR OLD BOY many times.

I don't care the context, the excuses, arguments or semblances of consent, SHE RAPED HIM.

There is no way he could have known what he was doing, and I doubt that he was well enough educated (if at all) to truly understand it.

Even if that boy thought he wanted some of her sweet, diseased, 36-year-old stank he was not likely to have understood it.

And even if he did understand it, well, he truly did not realize the consequences of what he was doing, for him, her, or anyone.

Spiritually, sure, as creators creating our experience and knowing damn well what it it, yeah, they both made that, as did we, because we are experiencing the knowledge of it. But as an individual he is a VERY YOUNG CHILD, and she FUCKED HER SON'S PEER.

Truly, I feel she may well have suffered the same kind of abuse, or just been a pathetic and docile woman who lost control of herself at the same time that she LOVED losing it.

Pathetic fucking stupid whore slut fuck you and your terrible box of lies and child molestation.

Don't blame the eleven-year-old. Hold him accountable, for sure (he did, after all, participate), but do no blame him. She was the one who KNEW what was happening, I don't care HOW horny or willing he thought he might have been.

I spit on your grave rapist, fuck you.

I damn near never get this inflamed, but most of you have never experienced pedophilia and rape.

At 8/3/13 06:03 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 8/3/13 05:19 PM, mandog wrote:

At 8/3/13 05:16 PM, Revo357912 wrote: 2) boys that age tend to be pretty horny.

He's eleven, not 13.

I was horny at 11

Me, too.

What the fuck New Zealand?

My country can be fucked up sometimes.