create a Moral Dilemma!

[naronic]

There is no objective right from wrong and I wan't you to prove it by creating your own moral dilemma

An example would include, if your adult sibling and somebody else's 4 year old child were trapped on separate sides of a burning building, you're a fireman with no hose and only one ladder (just go with it) to save either the 4 year old or your sibling from different windows and you know that once you save one, the other will perish in the fire.

On one hand your sibling means the world to you and you will have to live with his/her death if you choose to save the child, on the other hand the child has more life to live and would probably be easier to save via ladder.

what do you do?

[Sekhem]

At 8/1/13 07:07 PM, naronic wrote: what do you do?

save my sister

why should i care about people i don't know

i ain't god and it ain't on me

[Bryan]

At 8/1/13 07:09 PM, Sekhem wrote:

At 8/1/13 07:07 PM, naronic wrote: what do you do?

save my sister

why should i care about people i don't know

i ain't god and it ain't on me

This. My family means more to me, and it's the other families concern they left their child in the burning building. They'll have to live with the consequences of their actions, I'm going to save my sibling.

Besides, why would I be the only firefighter there?

[Makakaov]

So there's me, not having an orgasm for month, and out of nowhere jumps out poor 12 year old girl, proposing me sex for cash.

I'd cry. Fuck her, and cry.

[supergandhi64]

At 8/1/13 07:18 PM, Makakaov wrote: So there's me, not having an orgasm for month, and out of nowhere jumps out poor 12 year old girl, proposing me sex for cash.

I'd cry. Fuck her, and cry.

that's f*cked up dude . . . god would smite you for that kind of messed up behavior

--supergandhi64

[naronic]

At 8/1/13 07:18 PM, Makakaov wrote: So there's me, not having an orgasm for month, and out of nowhere jumps out poor 12 year old girl, proposing me sex for cash.

I'd cry. Fuck her, and cry.

I would refuse and say "no fap august!"

[Painbringer]

Save Newgrounds from permanent deletion, or save your closest friends and family from a wood chipper (slowly lowered in, legs first)?

[Tankdown]

Adults normally want to save children, else the adult is not seen as a moral person. So naturally the adult prefers that I save the child. If I saved the adult the man/woman may live with the grief that I choose him/her over the child or that possbiliy blame me for not making their own moral decision by not giving me the child. The child will live with the same greif as the adult. The child could have made the same moral decision by delievering the adult to me, but children are seen as innocent, not morally smart.

Now here's one of my own.

A person is drowning far out at sea. Plenty of people are watching. No life guards, or any boats/helicopters are around. You have no knowledge who the person is, and had not cause this to happen. There is no responblity on your behaps. Everyone around is not sure if anyone is going to save him/her, nor is it possible for it to be any of their responblility. You or anyone else might drown while attempting to save. The person caused him/her self to be out that far.

[Makakaov]

At 8/1/13 07:20 PM, naronic wrote:

At 8/1/13 07:18 PM, Makakaov wrote: So there's me, not having an orgasm for month, and out of nowhere jumps out poor 12 year old girl, proposing me sex for cash.

I'd cry. Fuck her, and cry.

I would refuse and say "no fap august!"

It's sad that humanity has come to point where human being doesn't see a difference between sexual intercourse and masturbation.

[Chdonga]

At 8/1/13 07:38 PM, Tankdown wrote: A person is drowning far out at sea... The person caused him/her self to be out that far.

If that person put his/her own life in danger like that, he/she was either suicidal, or far too stupid to live, and thus doesn't deserve saving.

[Tankdown]

At 8/1/13 07:47 PM, Chdonga wrote: If that person put his/her own life in danger like that, he/she was either suicidal, or far too stupid to live, and thus doesn't deserve saving.

Stupid doesn't reflect from a single decision, and sucidal doesn't mean the person right is in the right emotional state. May be on drugs, injected in anyway.

I'm trying to give the problem of placing the idea of "cause" within dilemmas. Although you didn't cause anything "previousily" you do cause the future. One political philosopher argued it doesn't matter whatever or not you caused the person to be there. If you let the person drown you may as well caused the person to be there as the outcome is the same.

Plus reminder I put in other variables in my dilemma.

[Swag-in-a-Bag]

The 4 year old was probably the Seed of Chucky so forget that kid, I know who my family is, plus all kids that die go to heaven by default because they don't understand their sins yet

[Chdonga]

At 8/1/13 07:54 PM, Tankdown wrote:

At 8/1/13 07:47 PM, Chdonga wrote: If that person put his/her own life in danger like that, he/she was either suicidal, or far too stupid to live, and thus doesn't deserve saving.

Plus reminder I put in other variables in my dilemma.

Fair enough. You said there were other people there, who are all hesitant to save the person. I'd try to convince the most physically fit person/people to help the drowning person. Even if I wanted to save the person, I'm too weak to do anything of use.

Alternatively, I'd toss a life saver at them. You didn't say anything about there not being any in the area.

[Tankdown]

At 8/1/13 08:31 PM, Chdonga wrote: Alternatively, I'd toss a life saver at them. You didn't say anything about there not being any in the area.

I said the person is far out at sea in the first sentence. How far can you throw? I guess to a minor far could be 5 feet from the beach. Yet the context is too far for anything else, but not far enough to possiblity drown.

You could read "far" as miles from the shoreline. Which case I doubt anyone would swim.

[Ganon-Dorf]

Start life, or not start life? video highly relevant to my question.

Video.

[Revo357912]

Your stuck in a room with a 12 (or whatever age you consider to be most morally wrong to have sex with) year old girl, and are pumped with viagra and an aphrodisiac every day.

The room is small but long, and you re both naked, and cannot stretch out enough without touching each other.

Until you do her;
Every day she will experience a painful shock at midnight, and you will go without eating. You must engage first or else she will be killed if she engages first.
If you can survive 30 days without food, then you both will be freed if a coin flip lands on heads twice; if not, then it is extended by another day.
However, everyday her shocks grow more intense, and it is not known whether or not she will survive.
However, her shocks will reset every time you have sex with her.
If you have sex with her 5 times (1 time every separate day minimum), you both will be freed.

What would you do?

[Tankdown]

At 8/1/13 09:08 PM, Revo357912 wrote: What would you do?

Gosh...wow...okay....uumm....What positions can I use? I think some are less tramaizing than others.

[Revo357912]

At 8/1/13 09:15 PM, Tankdown wrote:

At 8/1/13 09:08 PM, Revo357912 wrote: What would you do?

Gosh...wow...okay....uumm....What positions can I use? I think some are less tramaizing than others.

For those who wouldn't mind the sex, there is a clause;

If you do it, you will be freed, and get to live to be 150 years, but will be sent to eternal damnation and torture in hell.
If you don't do it, you will live out your normal life span (supposing you survive) and go to heaven.
(for the purposes of this situation, we will suppose hell and heaven is real).

[Tankdown]

At 8/1/13 09:18 PM, Revo357912 wrote: (for the purposes of this situation, we will suppose hell and heaven is real).

If it's real then no. I won't do it unless I was somehow mentally impaired.

[Ganon-Dorf]

At 8/1/13 09:03 PM, WaffleVoyager wrote:

At 8/1/13 08:58 PM, Ganon-Dorf wrote: Start life, or not start life? video highly relevant to my question.

Video.

Ah yes efilism. Why tidy the house when we can just burn it to the ground?

Gary (the guy in the video, his youtube name is Inmendham) calls himself an antinatalist, he's for the total and complete eradication of life, with the intentions that it never starts itself again.

[BumFodder]

At 8/1/13 07:18 PM, Makakaov wrote: So there's me, not having an orgasm for month, and out of nowhere jumps out poor 12 year old girl, proposing me sex for cash.

I'd cry. Fuck her, and cry.

thats pretty hot

[Psycho666]

You're job is to make sure that another man, on a raised platform, pulls a switch, to direct trains onto one of three correct tracks.

Today, you notice the man has fallen onto the track in the middle.

On the left track, a school bus has broken down.

On the right track, another train is heading the wrong way, and cannot be stopped.

What do you do? You only have time to reach the switch and make one decision.

If you do nothing, the trains do not collide, and the worker dies, the worker who is your responsibility.

If you divert the train to the first track, the bus full of children will die, but the worker, and the other train, will not be in harms way.

Alternatively, you could save the children, and the worker, by having the trains collide, but you know that all the blame would fall upon the worker, who could not fulfill his duties.

Who dies?

[naronic]

At 8/1/13 11:32 PM, Psycho666 wrote: If you do nothing, the trains do not collide, and the worker dies, the worker who is your responsibility.

If you divert the train to the first track, the bus full of children will die, but the worker, and the other train, will not be in harms way.

Alternatively, you could save the children, and the worker, by having the trains collide, but you know that all the blame would fall upon the worker, who could not fulfill his duties.

Who dies?

I'm assuming when you say "the man" that I don't know him very well, I'd save the train heading the wrong direction as the bus has less people and the man would already be dead from electrocution if he fell onto a working railroad

[CreepyJ]

Obviously the Sibling.

[Psycho666]

At 8/2/13 12:31 PM, naronic wrote:

I'm assuming when you say "the man" that I don't know him very well, I'd save the train heading the wrong direction as the bus has less people and the man would already be dead from electrocution if he fell onto a working railroad

There is no electric third rail, city boy.