Uncle Tom!

[Korriken]

Don Lemon tells it how it is!

and what happens after he says this? The other liberals turn on him for daring to not keep chanting the Ordained Message of "whitey keeping black men down! Racism is rampant! All hope is lost! Only the government can save you! You cannot save yourselves!" lashing out with, of course, the tired old "Uncle Tom" label... ugh. Same thing happened to Bill Cosby, another black man I admire the hell out of, who also got the "Uncle Tom" label.

for the group that cherishes "diversity, cooperation, compassion, inclusiveness, equality, etc" they sure are nasty towards those who don't keep their eyes forward, head down, and keep marching to the drumbeat while chanting the Ordained Message.

[24901miles]

I found some methodological issues which make it difficult to take you seriously.

[Warforger]

What? Jesus christ again the Left is not one monolithic blob, furthermore what are you talking about? Yes what he say's is more or less controversial but then again CNN is as centrist as possible so it fits there. You don't show the response by the so called "liberals" to this or how much attention they paid. If you want people to take you seriously at least don't flip out when we try the same with you and paint the right wing as people who think the Sandy Hook shooting was faked.

Although honestly most of his points are bullshit. The only one which pertained to the problem he addressed was the last one, the rest are pretty much the same complaints thrown at products of African American culture since well African American Culture started. Jazz was the old rap, it was popular at the same time considered by people who didn't like it as poor trash, the music taking no talent to put together and having negative messages. Now what? It's a respected art form. Yes rap celebrates violence, drugs, thugging etc. that doesn't mean that people who listen to it do the same. Go to any neighborhood with successful people, you'll be bound to find at least a handful of people who like rap and don't have bad lives. Furthermore baggy pants are not leading to the disintegration of the family, they're a fashion choice, people just think it looks cool it doesn't mean that people are committing crimes because of it. Also the use of the word "ni##er" doesn't matter. Words have as much power as we give them, they only hurt if we believe they hurt. Finally the worst part is the whole fight against Ebonics. It's a bunch of horse shit, what Ebonics essentially is the way which Africans spoke English after trying to adapt their African tongues to Southern Dialects, it's essentially a cultural trait. It's no different than if you got angry at a foreigner for speaking with an accent.

Honestly though I've been with people who partake in the ghetto culture, they're not bad at all; they're normal people. They have the same hopes and aspirations as any other people I've known. Instead of targetting rap culture try teaching kids that they can get out of poverty if they work hard, they don't have to give up their passions because some suburbanites said it was the cause of all of their problems.

[Korriken]

At 7/31/13 08:42 PM, Warforger wrote:

Yes what he say's is more or less controversial but then again CNN is as centrist as possible so it fits there.

I would disagree on the 'centrist as possible' part...

You don't show the response by the so called "liberals" to this or how much attention they paid.

Here you go.

and of course, you got those who are lining up to reinforce the Ordained Message.

Remember, my fellow blacks! It's not your sloppy dressing style, the fact you used more than a dozen profanities during your job interview, or the fact that you can't pass a drug test, the REAL reason you didn't land that job at Walmart is because you're black!

If you want people to take you seriously at least don't flip out when we try the same with you and paint the right wing as people who think the Sandy Hook shooting was faked.

If I was right wing, I would... probably still not give a damn. I am simply me.

Although honestly most of his points are bullshit.

3 out of 5 actually were. I would say dressing in a respectable manner and finishing school (and going to college when possible, or at least a vocational college) would help a lot. If you fill out an application for a job and your ass is hanging out of your pants and you dress in the manner of a common criminal, your application will probably be put in the trash no matter WHAT color your skin is.

The only one which pertained to the problem he addressed was the last one, the rest are pretty much the same complaints thrown at products of African American culture since well African American Culture started.

Jazz was the old rap, it was popular at the same time considered by people who didn't like it as poor trash, the music taking no talent to put together and having negative messages.

Now what? It's a respected art form.

Something I doubt rap will ever achieve, except in certain circles.

Yes rap celebrates violence, drugs, thugging etc. that doesn't mean that people who listen to it do the same.

You're going to tell me that someone raised from a child, listening to songs about gangs, drugs, killing, promiscuity, drinking, and smoking isn't going to be influenced by it? I'm sorry but that's so blatantly bullshit it's not funny.

You ever see how people who listen to music all the time dress? they mimic the people who sing the music. the whole thug style of wearing your hat crooked, sagging pants, some of these insanely stupid phrases people use, all became popular because the people who perform the songs are shown dressed.

Do you think such phrases as "Shawty", "My Nizzle" just came from nowhere?

Ok, I'll use another example. Depending on where you live, you may or may not encounter the "Redneck" stereotype. The ones who drive rickety trucks, dress in blue jeans, a button up long sleeve shirt, wear a wide brimmed hat, blast crappy 'new country' music, and use such ridiculous phrases like "It's on like Donkey Kong (which came from a song, suprise surprise...)", and "Badonkadonk" to name a few.

same exact story. People emulate what they see on TV, hear on the radio, etc. To say otherwise is sheer dishonesty on your part.

Go to any neighborhood with successful people, you'll be bound to find at least a handful of people who like rap and don't have bad lives.

Perhaps, but they also don't identify

Furthermore baggy pants are not leading to the disintegration of the family, they're a fashion choice, people just think it looks cool it doesn't mean that people are committing crimes because of it.

No, perhaps not. However,

Also the use of the word "ni##er" doesn't matter. Words have as much power as we give them, they only hurt if we believe they hurt.

this imaginary power can also be used as a weapon

Finally the worst part is the whole fight against Ebonics. It's a bunch of horse shit, what Ebonics essentially is the way which Africans spoke English after trying to adapt their African tongues to Southern Dialects, it's essentially a cultural trait. It's no different than if you got angry at a foreigner for speaking with an accent.

Difference is, the foreigner with an accent can't help it. It's how his mouth is trained to speak, much in the same way if I spoke another language besides English, it would sounds funny to the native speakers, or if I went to another country that also spoke English. I have a southern accent myself. I get shit for it sometimes. However, when speaking to someone from the north I have the intellect to not use southern slang they may or may not understand.

If you go into a job interview, and began spouting ebonics, as if you lack the intelligence to speak proper English, it's your own fault you were turned down for the job.

If I went to, say, Massachusetts, and had a job interview and the first words out of my mouth were "Howdy, yell, thank ya kindly for lettin' me have this here interview, I reckon I better do my best and get 'er done!" I would probably be rejected immediately.

There is nothing inherently wrong with Ebonics, as long as you have the brains to speak proper english. If not, then Ebonics is a major obstacle.

Honestly though I've been with people who partake in the ghetto culture, they're not bad at all; they're normal people.

I grew up in a black town, went to school at a 90% black school. My experiences are vastly different from yours. There was a VERY strong peer pressure to comply with gangsta culture and I clashed with many of the other students over my unwillingness to conform.

They have the same hopes and aspirations as any other people I've known. Instead of targetting rap culture try teaching kids that they can get out of poverty if they work hard, they don't have to give up their passions because some suburbanites said it was the cause of all of their problems.

It really comes down the same argument that has been used time and time again. There is nothing with fantasy as long as you can tell the difference between what is fantasy and what is reality. Problem is with people trying to live out the gangsta fantasy and make it a reality. You like rap music? good for you. You wanna LIVE rap music? that's no good. Problem is, too many people try to live out what they hear in music. and not just rap but most music styles.

[Korriken]

leave it to me to hit the post button without going back to the parts I overlooked...

At 7/31/13 09:44 PM, Korriken wrote:

Go to any neighborhood with successful people, you'll be bound to find at least a handful of people who like rap and don't have bad lives.

Perhaps, but they also don't identify racially with the person on the cd case either, which is another problem with the black community. There seems to be this odd sense of having to "be black". The problem is, they look at the media to see what "being black" is. It would be like me looking to the media to see what "being southern" is, and become an uneducated, tobacco spitting, cheap beer chugging, truck driving piece of white trash who lives in a trailer several miles from town that goes to the honkeytonk every single weekend to get drunk as hell and ride a mechanical bull.

Thankfully, I never fell into that filthy lifestyle.

Furthermore baggy pants are not leading to the disintegration of the family, they're a fashion choice, people just think it looks cool it doesn't mean that people are committing crimes because of it.

No, perhaps not, not directly anyway. However, it does show a total lack of discipline and other people DO judge you by the way you dress. If you can't dress in a respectable fashion, and show some basic knowledge and appreciation for social norms, can I REALLY count on your to work for me? I wouldn't think so, myself. I don't need a person who constantly spouts profanities to be talking to my customers, who are, quite literally, my livelihood.

It's the same as people who never shower, the ones who stink to high hell on a daily basis. If you lack the basical mental capacity to acknowledge that you are unclean and need to bathe, do I REALLY want you working for me? no.

Also the use of the word "ni##er" doesn't matter. Words have as much power as we give them, they only hurt if we believe they hurt.

If you lack the self respect to not call yourself a derogatory term, and lack the self respect to not correct your peers on using derogatory terms on you, it shows a total lack of self respect and discipline. It's much like women who around with clothing and jewelry with the terms "Whore" "Slut" "Cum Dumpster (yes I 've seen it)" "Bitch" among other words. They wonder why no one respects them. The answer is obvious. They don't respect themselves. If you don't even respect yourself, how the hell are you going to expect ME to respect you?

[Warforger]

At 7/31/13 09:44 PM, Korriken wrote: I would disagree on the 'centrist as possible' part...

Oh when you have Don Lemon it is, and especially when you have people like Wolf Blitzer who refuse to give much of an opinion lest he be accused of bias.

Here you go.

All I see are just people disagreeing with him and explaining why. It's not even just mere insults it's well an actual argument. Most of what they reference aren't even in the so called "evidence", they say that Russell Simmons called him a slave but not one of the tweets they showed had any mention of the word 'slave'. It's exaggeration, what those posts said were no different in quality or class as what Bill O'Rielly said.

and of course, you got those who are lining up to reinforce the Ordained Message.

? He disagree's with Don Lemon and lays out the reasons why he's wrong, THIS IS COMING FROM A GUY WHO LIVES IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAS TALKED TO DON LEMON.

Remember, my fellow blacks! It's not your sloppy dressing style, the fact you used more than a dozen profanities during your job interview, or the fact that you can't pass a drug test, the REAL reason you didn't land that job at Walmart is because you're black!

That's not what he's saying at all. Here's the last paragraph of the page.

"To be clear, I'm not making excuses for Black kids or assuming they're all the same. I'm just not blaming them for forces beyond their control. Like most African-American parents, I want my kids to be productive members of society. I don't want them to use racism as an excuse for failing to try. But I also don't want them to think that the burden to fix our community is theirs alone. If we really want to practice tough love in America, as Don Lemon argues, then we should start by examining the priorities of the adults in our larger society, not by knocking our kids."

If I was right wing, I would... probably still not give a damn. I am simply me.

That doesn't change my point. You're saying the Left Wing is a synchronized racist machine which tramples over any opposing opinion while clinging to crazy anti-Christian beliefs all the while if anyone even implies the right wing is like that you get defensive and say "those are only a minority".

3 out of 5 actually were. I would say dressing in a respectable manner and finishing school (and going to college when possible, or at least a vocational college) would help a lot. If you fill out an application for a job and your ass is hanging out of your pants and you dress in the manner of a common criminal, your application will probably be put in the trash no matter WHAT color your skin is.

See that's the point, he's not saying wearing saggy pants to a job interview is a reason why blacks are poor, he's saying wearing saggy pants in any situation is the reason why.

Something I doubt rap will ever achieve, except in certain circles.

It probably will. Violence and being a thug is something that's always been cool and popularized, even in music. This was true back during the 30's and 40's even in Swing.

You're going to tell me that someone raised from a child, listening to songs about gangs, drugs, killing, promiscuity, drinking, and smoking isn't going to be influenced by it? I'm sorry but that's so blatantly bullshit it's not funny.

So what you're telling me is that because I listened to Greenday ever since I was a kid it means that I am a lazy pothead?

You ever see how people who listen to music all the time dress? they mimic the people who sing the music. the whole thug style of wearing your hat crooked, sagging pants, some of these insanely stupid phrases people use, all became popular because the people who perform the songs are shown dressed.

Yah, that's dress, they pretend they're badass criminals in their music, otherise they're law abiding citizens. And yes I know people who listen to rap, not all of them dress with the hat or saggy pants, it's like you haven't actually met that many people who listen to rap.

Do you think such phrases as "Shawty", "My Nizzle" just came from nowhere?

They came from ghetto culture yes......

same exact story. People emulate what they see on TV, hear on the radio, etc. To say otherwise is sheer dishonesty on your part.

You're missing the point, yes that's a few more extreme fans, but the average fan probably doesn't dress like that. You can't just go on the street and predict what music people listen too, unless they make it obvious (like wearing shirts with band names on them) you'll be wrong really fast.

Difference is, the foreigner with an accent can't help it. It's how his mouth is trained to speak, much in the same way if I spoke another language besides English, it would sounds funny to the native speakers, or if I went to another country that also spoke English. I have a southern accent myself. I get shit for it sometimes. However, when speaking to someone from the north I have the intellect to not use southern slang they may or may not understand.

That's one thing, but trying to get rid of it and labeling it as a mark of stupidity to me is downright offensive. In particular the part that keeps coming under fire is the whole double negatives thing. Yes in normal English they don't mean the same thing, but if you go to most other languages like say Spanish or Russian double negatives are grammatically correct and mean what they intend to mean.

If you go into a job interview, and began spouting ebonics, as if you lack the intelligence to speak proper English, it's your own fault you were turned down for the job.

That's the thing, I don't think people are doing that.

I grew up in a black town, went to school at a 90% black school. My experiences are vastly different from yours. There was a VERY strong peer pressure to comply with gangsta culture and I clashed with many of the other students over my unwillingness to conform.

Right and I've encountered black kids like that myself, they don't act that differently from others.

It really comes down the same argument that has been used time and time again. There is nothing with fantasy as long as you can tell the difference between what is fantasy and what is reality. Problem is with people trying to live out the gangsta fantasy and make it a reality. You like rap music? good for you. You wanna LIVE rap music? that's no good. Problem is, too many people try to live out what they hear in music. and not just rap but most music styles.

The question is if the rap music is what gets them into gangs, rather than rap music being a product of the gangs. I mean using this logic metal should be banned for creating terrorists and serial killers.

[Korriken]

At 7/31/13 10:22 PM, Warforger wrote:

That's not what he's saying at all. Here's the last paragraph of the page.

"To be clear, I'm not making excuses for Black kids or assuming they're all the same. I'm just not blaming them for forces beyond their control. Like most African-American parents, I want my kids to be productive members of society. I don't want them to use racism as an excuse for failing to try. But I also don't want them to think that the burden to fix our community is theirs alone. If we really want to practice tough love in America, as Don Lemon argues, then we should start by examining the priorities of the adults in our larger society, not by knocking our kids."

Kind of funny you say that's not what he's saying at all...

"Sagging pants and littering neighbors aren't stopping young Black men from getting jobs."
This is true.

" It's racial, social and class inequality that's stopping them. It's the lack of educational and economic opportunities available to them."

No, it's not. If anything Blacks have a leg up when it comes to educational opportunities, given that many colleges have quotas set aside specifically FOR minorities. The problem is uncaring parents who don't push their students to do better in school with what they have. Yes, inner city schools are crap. However, given how low the standards are for the schools, many students can't even pass THAT.

"It's the disproportionate incarceration of young black men"
Which is the fault of who? oh yeah, criminals. young black men take up a disproportionate amount of the prison system, but they also commit a disproportionate amount of the crimes, too. Where are your precious 'civil rights' leaders when the topic of how to solve the problem of black crime comes up? They're nowhere to be seen. However, let a white person be accused of harming a black and they show up in force to deliver a speech on why this person needs to be burned at the stake for being racist. Forget not the Duke LaCrosse fiasco! BTW, they never did get an apology for that one...

That doesn't change my point. You're saying the Left Wing is a synchronized racist machine which tramples over any opposing opinion while clinging to crazy anti-Christian beliefs all the while if anyone even implies the right wing is like that you get defensive and say "those are only a minority".

When you have 'civil rights' leaders like Jesse Jackson, AL Sharpton, Martin Luther King III, Obama since 2008, who go sticking their nose in everything race related it sure as hell seems that way, especially given their thundering silence on the real problems plaguing black society.

See that's the point, he's not saying wearing saggy pants to a job interview is a reason why blacks are poor, he's saying wearing saggy pants in any situation is the reason why.

Society runs on respect for other people. If you don't have the respect for yourself to pull you pants up, why should I respect you?

It probably will. Violence and being a thug is something that's always been cool and popularized, even in music. This was true back during the 30's and 40's even in Swing.

So what you're telling me is that because I listened to Greenday ever since I was a kid it means that I am a lazy pothead?

Never listened to Green Day so I couldn't tell you. Is it that all they sing about is getting high?

Yah, that's dress, they pretend they're badass criminals in their music, otherise they're law abiding citizens.

.... not always. Many of them, are, in fact, criminals, or used to be criminals. Doesn't help when you got, say, 50 cent, who was a drug dealer, rapping and glorifying drugs and the thug life. To his fans, that makes it real to them.

And yes I know people who listen to rap, not all of them dress with the hat or saggy pants, it's like you haven't actually met that many people who listen to rap.

I grew up in a town that was majority black.

They came from ghetto culture yes......

more precisely, they came from lyrics to come song, or something a rapper began saying and other emulated.

You're missing the point, yes that's a few more extreme fans, but the average fan probably doesn't dress like that. You can't just go on the street and predict what music people listen too, unless they make it obvious (like wearing shirts with band names on them) you'll be wrong really fast.

I dunno, things may be different where you live, but where I live, you can tell about 80% of the time what people listen to based on how they dress.

That's one thing, but trying to get rid of it and labeling it as a mark of stupidity to me is downright offensive. In particular the part that keeps coming under fire is the whole double negatives thing. Yes in normal English they don't mean the same thing, but if you go to most other languages like say Spanish or Russian double negatives are grammatically correct and mean what they intend to mean.

We're speaking English, not Spanish or Russian. If you butchered the grammar of another language, they would probably think you're stupid too. If you find it insulting, I cannot help that. Ebonics effectively handicaps the person when it comes to any job that involves speaking to others. A manager is looking for people who can speak in a manner others can easily understand.

Now, depending on WHERE this place is, it may or may not be very strict. For example, it wouldn't be so much of a problem as a Walmart cashier, since its your job to scan items and count money. Not many people would promote a person who butchers the local language to be in a position where they will have to articulate themselves, such as a head management or Public Relations position.

If you go into a job interview, and began spouting ebonics, as if you lack the intelligence to speak proper English, it's your own fault you were turned down for the job.

That's the thing, I don't think people are doing that.

Had a guy walk into my job not too long ago, wore torn up clothes when he handed in his job application. My boss just quietly discarded it. and yeah, when all you know is Ebonics, you use it because that's all you have. When I was living in Amite Louisiana, I saw more than one person come into the furniture store I was working in and said "I is looking for a job!" Of course they didn't get a job.

Right and I've encountered black kids like that myself, they don't act that differently from others.

The question is if the rap music is what gets them into gangs, rather than rap music being a product of the gangs. I mean using this logic metal should be banned for creating terrorists and serial killers.

from what I've seen, it works both ways. When you glorify something, people tend to develop a desire to do what is being glorified, it's been that way for as long as humans have been around.

[Ron-Geno]

Two things:

1) What is the definition of an Uncle Tom? I'm looking for your explanation//take on the term "Uncle Tom". If you agree with Google search definition of Uncle Tom, then that's fine. Matter fact, the Wikipedia "Uncle Tom" has a very interesting part in the Epithet - History section. I know, Wikipedia is dumb blah blah whatever.

2) A story: So I'm a black guy, and I was playing Sirens and Sailors at a pretty decent volume level. Sirens and Sailors is a metalcore band; you should go check them out if you're into that stuff. Anyway, as I approached the stoplight, two white guys were to my left (they looked around my age; 22) and were also playing music at a decent volume level. I really mean a decent volume level; enough that the vehicle next to them could hear the song, but not enough that the trucks are shaking or that the whole block can hear our music.

What was interesting (at least to me) was that they were playing rap music; it sounded like something Waka Flocka would make, but I was unsure of the artist. It had a good beat though, but that's about all I could recall about the song. The white guys and I exchanged glances, greeted each other with nods, and proceeded to navigating our respective vehicles.

Point of the story: Music does have a strong influence on how you act, how you perceive yourself, and how others perceive you. However, your music choice does not MAKE you, especially for people who have a stronger grasp of discipline over their lives.

Aw crap, I do have another point; the American culture has a lot to work on. We can start by killing the concept of grouping Americans based off race/ethnicity.
In reality, Americans are being grouped by economic class by the powers that be. A poor white American, a poor black American, a poor asian American, etc. all have something in common; they are poor Americans. Same for working class, middle class, and the rich (whatever their class is called). For the working and middle classes, their strength will increase once they tear down the barriers (gender, race, sexuality) and unite as Americans with a common goal.

To be specific with the black community, it must tear down the borders it has built since the '70s. It then must find a way to duplicate what King did and convince the rest of America to tear down its barriers recently built out of fear, ignorance, and hate.

[Korriken]

At 8/4/13 06:27 PM, Ron-Geno wrote: Two things:

1) What is the definition of an Uncle Tom?

the term Uncle Tom is usually used to describe a black man who is subservient to his white 'masters', so basically any black man who doesn't play along with the "whitey is keeping you/me down" routine and ESPECIALLY the ones who say "Black man is keeping himself down". When Bill Cosby came out with his book called "Come On People", the progressives immediately labeled him as an "Uncle Tom" and began attacking him personally in order to drown out his message. Don Lemon did the same thing and gets similar treatment.

2) A story: So I'm a black guy, and I was playing Sirens and Sailors at a pretty decent volume level. Sirens and Sailors is a metalcore band; you should go check them out if you're into that stuff. Anyway, as I approached the stoplight, two white guys were to my left (they looked around my age; 22) and were also playing music at a decent volume level. I really mean a decent volume level; enough that the vehicle next to them could hear the song, but not enough that the trucks are shaking or that the whole block can hear our music.

What was interesting (at least to me) was that they were playing rap music; it sounded like something Waka Flocka would make, but I was unsure of the artist. It had a good beat though, but that's about all I could recall about the song. The white guys and I exchanged glances, greeted each other with nods, and proceeded to navigating our respective vehicles.

Point of the story: Music does have a strong influence on how you act, how you perceive yourself, and how others perceive you. However, your music choice does not MAKE you, especially for people who have a stronger grasp of discipline over their lives.

Well of course music doesn't make you. As far as influence goes, that depends. I've seen people who like a certain style of music while never trying to become the music, then i've seen people who quite literally begin using any catchphrase the moment they hear it.

Aw crap, I do have another point; the American culture has a lot to work on. We can start by killing the concept of grouping Americans based off race/ethnicity.

If only it was so easy.... well, in a way it is. we group Americans in many ways, race, location, income level, manner of dress, etc.

In reality, Americans are being grouped by economic class by the powers that be.

only when it suits the message they're trying to relate. If it's a matter of income, they'll throw all the poor people together. Otherwise, they'll separate the whites and make them out to be this privileged class of people who all seem to have loads of cash and get everything they want in like, this is NOT true... I'm still trying to figure out where this load of cash and mansion is I'm supposed to have.

A poor white American, a poor black American, a poor asian American, etc. all have something in common; they are poor Americans. Same for working class, middle class, and the rich (whatever their class is called). For the working and middle classes, their strength will increase once they tear down the barriers (gender, race, sexuality) and unite as Americans with a common goal.

that's the LAST thing the government wants. If the people were to unite, they could force the government to reform. As it is now, you got the whites vs blacks vs latinos vs asians as well as poor vs middle class vs rich class. It works out well for the government because you got all these different grounds clamoring for position.

To be specific with the black community, it must tear down the borders it has built since the '70s. It then must find a way to duplicate what King did and convince the rest of America to tear down its barriers recently built out of fear, ignorance, and hate.

That's not going to happen until Sharpton, Jackson, MLK III, and others all die as well as the NAACP and New Black Panthers, as well as the Black Caucus all disband. These are some of the people and groups that keep it perpetuated.

If the blacks decided "You know what? we ARE equal! We're going to work hard and succeed! We, as a group, are going to break down the stereotypes and put more emphasis on education for our children!" then the NAACP would have no reason to exist, Sharpton, Jackson, and MLK III would stop landing lucrative speaking jobs, and the New Black Panthers would find themselves in a nation full of people hostile to their cause.

Problem is, there is WAY too much money in the message of "Whitey is holding you down!" to let it go. There is a reason why these so called 'civil rights leaders' will NEVER touch on the REAL cause of perpetual black poverty, which is lack of emphasis on education, lack of emphasis on personal responsibility, and and lack of emphasis towards respecting others and the law.

to clarify on lack of respect for the law, I'm talking about people who have it in their heads that it is them vs the law and that 'snitching' is something to be ashamed of. refusing to tip off the cops on criminals is a lot like reporting a contagious disease and just letting it spread. By now removing criminals from the streets, others see these criminals flourish, which in turn, young people see and decide that it's an easy way to make a living and do it themselves, therefore spreading the problem.