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At 7/31/13 03:14 PM, Satan wrote:

At 7/31/13 02:25 PM, BigFatKid wrote:

At 7/31/13 02:24 PM, Satan wrote: I think that the age on consent should be 21, globally, no exceptions. Both 16, and 18 are far too low, in my opinion.

...Why.

I hate the idea of kids having kids, the kids don't get brought up properly nine times out of ten, and they turn into complete failures later in life. The only issue is the fact that if the law was changed, it'd not stop people from fucking each other.

This is a moot point, read my posts and you'd understand you'd just be making it even worse. More people could get prosecuted for having sex then getting false claims of rape. You'd be empowering more overprotective, insane parents with the law to abuse and destory the lives of young adults.

The issue is not "kids having kids" because there 15 and having sex. That in of itself is not the real problem, the real problem is WE ARE NOT EDUCATING THEM. Dipshits like you would make it illegal to have sex unless married becuase you are scared of kids having kids. I don't deny it's already a problem but raising the age of consent would not fix it. We need to make condoms widely and cheaply, if not freely available to anyone who needs them. No judgements, no needing to go to a walk in STD clinic to pick them up, easy access and education about using them.

Fucking raising the age of consent even high, god help me if that acutally happened. 17 is bad enough.

At least eighteen.
If you can't own a house or have a credit card, and you're not done with highschool, you really shouldn't have a child. It's not just the mother, it's the child. A parent should be well-educated and have plenty life experience and maturity before nurturing a child and teaching it lessons and morals yourself.

you are a completely fucking deluded fool if you think that a 13 doesnt know about sex and cant decide whether or not he/she wants to have it

and btw the only reason why most people who were "abused" as chilren feel "traumatized" over it is because the public and the media forces it into everyone's head that anyone who has had sexual contact underage was not consensual and must always be invariably traumatizing and when people learn that they were "abused" as children everyone is like OH MY GOD YOU MUST FEEL SO BAD OVER IT RIGHT TELL US ABOUT YORU STORY or some dumb ass shit like that some children want it im telling you

At 7/31/13 03:32 PM, exudaz wrote: At least eighteen.
If you can't own a house or have a credit card, and you're not done with highschool, you really shouldn't have a child. It's not just the mother, it's the child. A parent should be well-educated and have plenty life experience and maturity before nurturing a child and teaching it lessons and morals yourself.

Why don't you go ahead and read a few more posts in this thread.

Children are not the defense here. It is not a valid or fair point. Yes kids are a by-product is sex. The problem isn't having sex, it's teaching teens to be safe and use contraceptives if they choose to be sexually active. A 15 year old is plenty mature enough to have sex, not to raise a child in our fucked up economy and state of nation but the sex itself is a different story. Sex does not always result in children if we teach them how.

At 7/31/13 03:45 PM, notYert wrote: you are a completely fucking deluded fool if you think that a 13 doesnt know about sex and cant decide whether or not he/she wants to have it

and btw the only reason why most people who were "abused" as chilren feel "traumatized" over it is because the public and the media forces it into everyone's head that anyone who has had sexual contact underage was not consensual and must always be invariably traumatizing and when people learn that they were "abused" as children everyone is like OH MY GOD YOU MUST FEEL SO BAD OVER IT RIGHT TELL US ABOUT YORU STORY or some dumb ass shit like that some children want it im telling you

You seem very, uh.. passionate about this particular topic.

I don't agree with the idea that *most* 13, 14, or hell, even 15-year old children (and they are still children) completely understand the importance of any sexual act, or understand all the risks and complications that can arise when it isn't done properly.

Of course there are exceptions. I understand that SOME young teens have already matured enough to be able to make this decision. But the simple fact is that these young people are a minority, and in a society where the majority rules, preventative measures have to be taken so that the immature majority can be protected from themselves, from each other, and from outside sources who want to take advantage of them. It might not feel fair to the more mature young teens, but it is a sacrifice they have to make. It's a sacrifice that I am willing to make, being one of them (I'm 15 years old, I have never had any form of sex. And right now, I don't particularly feel the urge to.)

I would make the legal adult age 21, with the following things being legal once you reach 21 years of age

Sexual Intercourse
Tobacco Consumption
Alcohol Consumption
Gambling
Prostitution (For Both The Prostitutes And Customers Paying For This)
Purchasing Firearms
Military Service
Voting
Driving (No Early Learner's Permits, If You're Not 21, You Can't Drive)
Purchasing Cell Phones (People Will Probably Think This One Is Weird)

And These Should All Be Legalized In All 50 States

All Drugs
All Firearms
Gambling
Brothel Prostitution

Also, Churches Should Have Tax Exempt Status Revoked, And All Cars Should Have A Breathilizer To Ignite The Engine, And The Education System Should Be Something Like This...

Uniform Requirements
Gender Segregation
Longer Hours: 9 AM-5 PM
More Days: Monday-Saturday
15 Grades: Ages 6-21
1st Grade-6th Grade: Primary Education
7th-11th Grade: Secondary Education
12th Grade-15th Grade: Collegiate Education (Everyone Would Leave With A Bachelor's Degree)
And Yes, Sex Education Would Be A VERY IMPORTANT Aspect Of This Type Of School!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At 7/31/13 03:58 PM, IcedPee wrote: I don't agree with the idea that *most* 13, 14, or hell, even 15-year old children (and they are still children) completely understand the importance of any sexual act, or understand all the risks and complications that can arise when it isn't done properly.

Nah teens completely understand what sex is and how important it is, if you dont agree you are clearly deluding yourself.

At 7/31/13 03:18 PM, fuzzum111 wrote:

At 7/31/13 03:14 PM, Satan wrote:

At 7/31/13 02:25 PM, BigFatKid wrote:

At 7/31/13 02:24 PM, Satan wrote: I think that the age on consent should be 21, globally, no exceptions. Both 16, and 18 are far too low, in my opinion.

...Why.

I hate the idea of kids having kids, the kids don't get brought up properly nine times out of ten, and they turn into complete failures later in life. The only issue is the fact that if the law was changed, it'd not stop people from fucking each other.

This is a moot point, read my posts and you'd understand you'd just be making it even worse. More people could get prosecuted for having sex then getting false claims of rape. You'd be empowering more overprotective, insane parents with the law to abuse and destory the lives of young adults.

The issue is not "kids having kids" because there 15 and having sex. That in of itself is not the real problem, the real problem is WE ARE NOT EDUCATING THEM. Dipshits like you would make it illegal to have sex unless married becuase you are scared of kids having kids. I don't deny it's already a problem but raising the age of consent would not fix it. We need to make condoms widely and cheaply, if not freely available to anyone who needs them. No judgements, no needing to go to a walk in STD clinic to pick them up, easy access and education about using them.

Fucking raising the age of consent even high, god help me if that acutally happened. 17 is bad enough.

First off, fuck you, simply for basing my beliefs based on what little I have said on the subject, and fuck you, again, for calling me a "dipshit", when you have no idea what I actually think about this subject to start with. Having sex before marriage is 100% fine in my books, I don't even like the idea of marriage at all to start with, so there's one of your theories out the window. Plus, my username is Satan, for fuck sake, do you honestly think I'd take up Christian values like that?

I agree with a lot about what you said, regarding educating people more, but let's be honest, educating people won't do enough, in the wider picture of things. I remember this guy from highschool who was smart enough, knew the consequences, all of that good shit, but he was embarrassed about buying condoms, and ultimately, he risked it, and it came back and bit him in the ass when he picked up some nasty STD's. One of the ideas you have that I like is making condoms a lot more widely available, so someone could go and get them without having to go into a clinic, that would work.

I don't see the point in raising the age of consent, if I were to be 100% honest, with you, I posted what I posted to try and make a point, but it backfired when I didn't go in depth with it. It's just pointless, people are going to fuck each other whether the age of consent is 16 years old, or 160 years old, we're animals, it's in our nature to shag each other.

At 7/31/13 03:58 PM, IcedPee wrote: 15-year old children (and they are still children)

if you seriously think 15 year olds are still children and unaware of everything about sex then you are deluded

immature majority can be protected from themselves, from each other, and from outside sources who want to take advantage of them.

oh no we better protect those children who know what they are doing from doing what they are aware of and want to do

It might not feel fair to the more mature young teens, but it is a sacrifice they have to make.

yes we must definitely strip away personal freedom from people for no reason because of lies and extreme misconceptions perpetuated by a pedophobic society and social stigmas

At 7/31/13 01:41 PM, Bryan wrote: Oh, yeah. I also think 16 is too low. The age of consent should be 18, or at adulthood. The idea of middle-school or high-school kids having children scares me.

Sex =/= babies...

At 7/31/13 04:33 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 7/31/13 01:41 PM, Bryan wrote: Oh, yeah. I also think 16 is too low. The age of consent should be 18, or at adulthood. The idea of middle-school or high-school kids having children scares me.

Sex =/= babies...

Sex without protection = babies

The less than stellar sexual education program does not reach all teenagers nor is it particularly informative or extensive, increasing the probability of teens having sex without protection.

At 7/31/13 04:36 PM, Bryan wrote: Sex without protection = babies

The less than stellar sexual education program does not reach all teenagers nor is it particularly informative or extensive, increasing the probability of teens having sex without protection.

are you seriously saying that teenagers don't understand they can get pregnant or how to prevent it

youre deluded

Without law, people would do that even with 4 year olds, so I guess that's better than nothing.

At 7/31/13 04:41 PM, notYert wrote:

At 7/31/13 04:36 PM, Bryan wrote: Sex without protection = babies

The less than stellar sexual education program does not reach all teenagers nor is it particularly informative or extensive, increasing the probability of teens having sex without protection.

are you seriously saying that teenagers don't understand they can get pregnant or how to prevent it

youre deluded

I'm saying many don't because it's not seen as important within our education system.

At 7/31/13 04:47 PM, Bryan wrote: I'm saying many don't because it's not seen as important within our education system.

lots of things arent seen as important within the education system but that doesnt mean people dont know about them

believe it or not the education system isnt the only place you learn things

I am sure you uninformed assholes know more than a whole country.

poof

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At 7/31/13 05:26 PM, WaffleVoyager wrote:

At 7/31/13 02:10 PM, BigFatKid wrote: Some religious nutjob from Yahoo Answers will think a 19-year-old having sex with a 16-year-old is horrifyingly evil. Yet, most people who would have enough intelligence would think it's not that bad, but not necessarily recommended either.

I wasn't recommending anything. I was saying they're needs to be more thought put into the whole age of consent debate, not just make it higher or lower.

I didn't say you recommended it. I'm saying that a normal person who isn't crazy would think a 16-year-old having sex isn't the most evil thing ever, but not necessarily something pleasant to hear about.

At 7/31/13 05:29 PM, BigFatKid wrote: I didn't say you recommended it. I'm saying that a normal person who isn't crazy would think a 16-year-old having sex isn't the most evil thing ever, but not necessarily something pleasant to hear about.

Putting a sexual organ into the sexual organ of a consenting other doesn't sound bad.

At 7/31/13 03:53 PM, fuzzum111 wrote:

At 7/31/13 03:32 PM, exudaz wrote: At least eighteen.
If you can't own a house or have a credit card, and you're not done with highschool, you really shouldn't have a child. It's not just the mother, it's the child. A parent should be well-educated and have plenty life experience and maturity before nurturing a child and teaching it lessons and morals yourself.

Why don't you go ahead and read a few more posts in this thread.

Children are not the defense here. It is not a valid or fair point. Yes kids are a by-product is sex. The problem isn't having sex, it's teaching teens to be safe and use contraceptives if they choose to be sexually active. A 15 year old is plenty mature enough to have sex, not to raise a child in our fucked up economy and state of nation but the sex itself is a different story. Sex does not always result in children if we teach them how.

I understand that. But no matter how much teens are educated about safe sex, there are always plenty of teen pregnancies. We have tried to prevent that for years. We just can't stop teens from feeling they can just go in without protection, which they do all the time. In my highschool, Seniors talk about how "They fucked some girl without a condom and it felt great". Obviously it's stupid and immature, but there's really just no stopping it. No matter how much we drill it into their heads and scare them about it, they still do it. And so the age should be eighteen because of the huge amount of kids who ruin it for the others. We can't have kids do it and get pregnant just so others can do it to have fun.

At 7/31/13 01:53 PM, BigFatKid wrote: You do know most people having sex at a young age are... for the lack of a better word, ghetto.

Ghetto people think it's okay to have sex with young teenagers.

You're just upset that 14, 15, and 16 year olds are getting more (wo)men than you.

At 7/31/13 05:52 PM, Mumbo wrote:

At 7/31/13 01:53 PM, BigFatKid wrote: You do know most people having sex at a young age are... for the lack of a better word, ghetto.

Ghetto people think it's okay to have sex with young teenagers.

You're just upset that 14, 15, and 16 year olds are getting more (wo)men than you.

Ugly women?

At 7/31/13 02:49 PM, Jester wrote: I don't think anyone anywhere should have sex ever because people are never truly 100% mature and therefore can't responsibly reproduce

This is legitimately one of the few post in here that had any logical merit to it,

That said, whenever the person in question feels ready to have sex, they're ready. Fuck your shitty kneejerk protective reactions. The world's a tough place and coddling out of fear and moral disgust only makes things alot worse, IMO.

Mexico sucks, so who cares?

Really though it's fucking Mexico, they won't enforce anything.

Makes you think.....you're old enough to look at porn and not be tramaized, but not enough to have sex.

Or least I think everyone saw porn when they were thirdteen....I did

no big surprise considering the united states is the only civilised nation in america . . . probably the only civilised nation in the entire world actually

--supergandhi64

At 7/31/13 08:10 PM, supergandhi64 wrote: no big surprise considering the united states is the only civilised nation in america . . . probably the only civilised nation in the entire world actually

--supergandhi64

uhhhh. sarcasm?

If you wouldn't trust them with a gun on their own, you shouldn't let them have sex. Yeah, if you taught them gun safety and yeah, if you taught them how to handle it, their *shouldn't* be a problem, and yet, I bet you dollars to donuts, the number of gun wounds and deaths in those under the legal age limit would double, if not triple in the first few years alone. Why? Because they're fucking kids! Pretty obvious really, they do what they think is cool and ignore things like "safety", there's no forethought. They'd go without a condom and they'd go without the pill because they want what they want when they want it and the consequences are an after thought at best.

Kids AREN'T responsible, they DON'T know what's best for them and that's WHY we have laws and age limits for things like: Guns, tobacco, driving, jobs, caring for children, owning a house, voting, drinking, etc. It's why we have a responsible Adult look after them, so they can get educated, so they can have a chance to learn and become responsible, they can't do that if we just give them these things right off the bat, its then that they learn the "hard" way and sometimes the "hard" way, when it comes to sex, comes with a diaper change.

Problem is, kids think they can handle themselves and they think they're so adult, that they're responsible. But its just youthful ignorance and arrogance. Because when they're asked to step up, what happens? They makes stupid fucking mistakes again and again because they don't know what their doing and have no true scope of the consequences or the gravity of those mistakes.

Hell, I'm still learning, every day, and I know I would've gotten my ass kicked and done a TON of stupid shit 3 years ago if I was allowed to, simply because...fuck it, I'd be allowed to. Now that I'm a little older, I'm that much smarter about it, kids need that buff so we can smooth into things and take a responsible and intelligent look at things. Keep it at 18, definitely.